| The rules of war- 2025 11:48 - Jun 18 with 2834 views | BlueOura |
1) - Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants in Gaza, take over the land bit by bit and effectively commit a slow genocide on the people living there - no intervention from Western nations at all, just the odd mumble of condemnation after about 20 years.
2) - Israel is allowed to attack Iran in 'self-defence' just in case Iran might have been planning to attack them first. Israel has a'right to defend itself' of course, as we are regularly told.
3) - Israel and lots of Western nations are allowed to have nuclear weapons, Iran are not allowed because that would be dangerous to the World.
4) - The US ( and probably other western nations ) are set to jump into this war and 'help' Israel, because obviously Iran are the big threat to us all. We couldn't possibly help the Palestinians of course.
Complete the list, I'm sure I have missed a few. This World is seriously messed up and inverted. I remember as a kid growing up thinking we were the 'good guys' and these other strange countries on the news were evil and the enemy. They sure did a good job with the propaganda and brain-washing. I wonder if the new generation are going to fall for it so easily. I hope not. |  | | |  |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 with 2111 views | itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:37 - Jun 18 with 1998 views | bsw72 |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
If they had them or were building them yes . . . but they weren't based on all intelligence agencies apart from Israel who are yet to release any evidence. |  | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:39 - Jun 18 with 1985 views | RIPbobby |
I will put money on this thread being deleted sooner or later once the odd comment has been added and responded to. |  | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:28 - Jun 18 with 1816 views | Bigalhunter |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:39 - Jun 18 by RIPbobby |
I will put money on this thread being deleted sooner or later once the odd comment has been added and responded to. |
Nah, admin take a far more balanced approach now and the candidates most likely to go for a derailment are currently banned anyway… |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:29 - Jun 18 with 1814 views | BondiBlue |
All reasonable points, but at some point you just have to pick a side. I don't think team iran/hezbollah/hamas likes you very much or particularly wants you on their side, so i'd go with team israel if i were you. |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:49 - Jun 18 with 1734 views | EuanTown |
MIGA - make Israel great again. |  | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:50 - Jun 18 with 1729 views | bluejacko |
Iran with nukes would be a danger to the world let alone Israel! Apart from being able to threaten all and sundry just think about what would happen if a device “fell” into the hands of one of their proxies,Iran could sit back and say “ not us gov”.
If the Iran regime was to fall all those proxies being supplied to cause mischief in the region would lose their backer and perhaps some peace might even descend around the place! Added bonus Russia would lose a weapons supplier and influence in the region. Double whammy for them really losing Syria as well | | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:02 - Jun 18 with 1679 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
Yeah we can all sleep peacefully with North Korea, Russia and Israel having them
Even US now is not reliable
Plus all intelligence is that they are nowhere near it
Still lets bomb the feck out of them in the Iraq fashion cos that went well [Post edited 18 Jun 14:03]
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:03 - Jun 18 with 1666 views | Bent_double |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
You're probably right.
But more dangerous than North Korea having nukes? Russia? Pakistan, India? China? The US, even?
In fact the only nuclear powers who have absolutely no reason to use their weapons against anyone at the moment are the UK and France.
I mean what do we think would happen if Iran were to sucessfully create nuclear weapons, and then launch them against Israel?
Within hours, minutes perhaps, 10, or 100 times the number of nukes would be heading straight for Iran from Israel and the US. Bye-bye Iran (and the planet really). OK, maybe the religious nutters in Iran are happy to die this way knowing (or thinking) they have defeated the evil Zionists and they will go to paradise, but there's a good chance that none of those missiles will ever reach their target or detonate, so it will all be for nothing.
I believe the Israelies when they say Iran are developing a weapon (why else would they need such highly enriched uranium?) but I don't believe their timescales 'of within months or a few years'.
Netenyahoo is taking this once-in-a-limetime opportunity to wipe out all of Israels enemies so he can cling to power and avoid prosecution for warcrimes. |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:13 - Jun 18 with 1625 views | StokieBlue |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
The US own intelligence agency stated to days ago that their evidence suggested Iran wasn't manufacturing a bomb.
This has been sold as the excuse for the attacks when in reality it's an extension of the perpetual war required by Netanyahu to maintain power.
It'll be interesting to see how Trump's base take any intervention given he campaigned as a President of peace promising no more foreign wars.
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:23 - Jun 18 with 1554 views | giant_stow |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:03 - Jun 18 by Bent_double |
You're probably right.
But more dangerous than North Korea having nukes? Russia? Pakistan, India? China? The US, even?
In fact the only nuclear powers who have absolutely no reason to use their weapons against anyone at the moment are the UK and France.
I mean what do we think would happen if Iran were to sucessfully create nuclear weapons, and then launch them against Israel?
Within hours, minutes perhaps, 10, or 100 times the number of nukes would be heading straight for Iran from Israel and the US. Bye-bye Iran (and the planet really). OK, maybe the religious nutters in Iran are happy to die this way knowing (or thinking) they have defeated the evil Zionists and they will go to paradise, but there's a good chance that none of those missiles will ever reach their target or detonate, so it will all be for nothing.
I believe the Israelies when they say Iran are developing a weapon (why else would they need such highly enriched uranium?) but I don't believe their timescales 'of within months or a few years'.
Netenyahoo is taking this once-in-a-limetime opportunity to wipe out all of Israels enemies so he can cling to power and avoid prosecution for warcrimes. |
I would have thought Israel's nervousness about Iran getting nukes is related to Iran's previous threats to completely destroy Israel. Also, its so geographically small, so it might not take a lot to follow through on those threats.
Having said that, I'm not defending Israel's attacks on Iran - just saying that's more complicated than you or the OP suggest.
North Korea having nukes is deeply uncomfortable... definitely too soon to write off the danger from them.
And the UK and France have both been threatened by Russia (or maybe to be more precise, Russians) recently. Coupled with the fact that NATO may be on its last legs, its no surprise to see the Germans talking about 'sharing' those nukes. |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:45 - Jun 18 with 1480 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:37 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
If they had them or were building them yes . . . but they weren't based on all intelligence agencies apart from Israel who are yet to release any evidence. |
Starting to sound all very Iraq and WMD isn’t it? I’ve no idea how advanced Iran’s nuclear capability is, but when the Trump appointed head of US intelligence says there’s no evidence and Trump say’s ’I don’t care, I say there is’ (or words to that effect), any sane minded person would insist on a second opinion at least! |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:50 - Jun 18 with 1460 views | DJR |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
The Iran Nuclear Deal was intended to prevent this but Trump pulled the US out of it in 2018.
Given ongoing negotiations, and US assessments that Iran is a long way off producing nuclear weapons, Israel is going down the same route a the US did in Iraq, and building up the threat to more than it is in order to claim it is acting in self-defence. In doing so, it is in my view (just like Iraq) stretching the definition of pre-emptive self-defence way beyond what can be justified in accordance with international law.
It is interesting to note that the recent G7 statement gave the go ahead for what Israel is doing, and as with Iraq, Russia and Gaza we are in a situation where might is right, and international law takes second place. [Post edited 18 Jun 14:51]
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:55 - Jun 18 with 1432 views | Blueschev |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:23 - Jun 18 by giant_stow |
I would have thought Israel's nervousness about Iran getting nukes is related to Iran's previous threats to completely destroy Israel. Also, its so geographically small, so it might not take a lot to follow through on those threats.
Having said that, I'm not defending Israel's attacks on Iran - just saying that's more complicated than you or the OP suggest.
North Korea having nukes is deeply uncomfortable... definitely too soon to write off the danger from them.
And the UK and France have both been threatened by Russia (or maybe to be more precise, Russians) recently. Coupled with the fact that NATO may be on its last legs, its no surprise to see the Germans talking about 'sharing' those nukes. |
If Iran had the bomb, would they really want to be the nation that destroyed the Al-Asqa Mosque? I'd imagine that would lead to retaliation from their neighbours even before the US responded by annihilating them. |  | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:56 - Jun 18 with 1421 views | LeoMuff |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:45 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Starting to sound all very Iraq and WMD isn’t it? I’ve no idea how advanced Iran’s nuclear capability is, but when the Trump appointed head of US intelligence says there’s no evidence and Trump say’s ’I don’t care, I say there is’ (or words to that effect), any sane minded person would insist on a second opinion at least! |
Unfortunately Trump has got a second opinion, from Netanyahu. The man who has been saying regularly since 1992 that Iran is 3 years from having a nuclear bomb and they should be attacked.
Previously we had sensible people in power who stopped this, now we have those who believe Israel should be supported in anything it decides legal, immoral or otherwise |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:57 - Jun 18 with 1407 views | itfcjoe |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:50 - Jun 18 by DJR |
The Iran Nuclear Deal was intended to prevent this but Trump pulled the US out of it in 2018.
Given ongoing negotiations, and US assessments that Iran is a long way off producing nuclear weapons, Israel is going down the same route a the US did in Iraq, and building up the threat to more than it is in order to claim it is acting in self-defence. In doing so, it is in my view (just like Iraq) stretching the definition of pre-emptive self-defence way beyond what can be justified in accordance with international law.
It is interesting to note that the recent G7 statement gave the go ahead for what Israel is doing, and as with Iraq, Russia and Gaza we are in a situation where might is right, and international law takes second place. [Post edited 18 Jun 14:51]
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I don't disagree, was merely responding to that part of the OP | |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:12 - Jun 18 with 1346 views | giant_stow |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:55 - Jun 18 by Blueschev |
If Iran had the bomb, would they really want to be the nation that destroyed the Al-Asqa Mosque? I'd imagine that would lead to retaliation from their neighbours even before the US responded by annihilating them. |
I'm not even going to pretend I know anything about that Mosque. | |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:23 - Jun 18 with 1302 views | BlueBadger |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:50 - Jun 18 by bluejacko |
Iran with nukes would be a danger to the world let alone Israel! Apart from being able to threaten all and sundry just think about what would happen if a device “fell” into the hands of one of their proxies,Iran could sit back and say “ not us gov”.
If the Iran regime was to fall all those proxies being supplied to cause mischief in the region would lose their backer and perhaps some peace might even descend around the place! Added bonus Russia would lose a weapons supplier and influence in the region. Double whammy for them really losing Syria as well |
I seem to recall your first sentence being used as the justification for another, equally disastrous war.... |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:27 - Jun 18 with 1238 views | BlueBadger |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 12:00 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
Iran having nuclear weapons would be dangerous to the world |
Ah yes, the 'Get Saddam' gambit. | |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:37 - Jun 18 with 1226 views | blueasfook |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:29 - Jun 18 by BondiBlue |
All reasonable points, but at some point you just have to pick a side. I don't think team iran/hezbollah/hamas likes you very much or particularly wants you on their side, so i'd go with team israel if i were you. |
I wonder which of the downvote divs will volunteer to go to Iran for their hols this summer? I'm gonna guess none of them. |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:49 - Jun 18 with 1161 views | Dubtractor |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:37 - Jun 18 by blueasfook |
I wonder which of the downvote divs will volunteer to go to Iran for their hols this summer? I'm gonna guess none of them. |
In an ocean of irrelevant posts on this site, you may have just taken the crown with that effort. |  |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:51 - Jun 18 with 1149 views | positivity |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:37 - Jun 18 by blueasfook |
I wonder which of the downvote divs will volunteer to go to Iran for their hols this summer? I'm gonna guess none of them. |
why would anyone want to go on holiday to a country currently being threatened by 2 belligenerent nuclear powers?
as likely as you genocide-deniers heading to the gaza riviera, as they're only killing hamas fighters | |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:51 - Jun 18 with 1146 views | Blueschev |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 13:29 - Jun 18 by BondiBlue |
All reasonable points, but at some point you just have to pick a side. I don't think team iran/hezbollah/hamas likes you very much or particularly wants you on their side, so i'd go with team israel if i were you. |
Why must you pick a side? | | | |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:56 - Jun 18 with 1096 views | positivity |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 15:51 - Jun 18 by Blueschev |
Why must you pick a side? |
you could maybe pick a side between warmongers and peacemakers, but netanyahu and khameini are very much peas in a pod there | |
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| The rules of war- 2025 on 16:04 - Jun 18 with 1048 views | BloomBlue |
| The rules of war- 2025 on 14:55 - Jun 18 by Blueschev |
If Iran had the bomb, would they really want to be the nation that destroyed the Al-Asqa Mosque? I'd imagine that would lead to retaliation from their neighbours even before the US responded by annihilating them. |
Yes they would use it.
The Ayatollah has said more than once they want the destruction of the Zionists. They aren't concerned about anything else they might destroy, the only thing that matters is the complete destruction of Israel
Even if it means their slaves like the Palestinians, are also destroyed with them, the destruction of Israel is the ultimate important result.
Allah will provide each of them a 100 virgins for killing the Zionists. Obviously they will be oppressed virgins, forced to wear veils, not allowed an education, not allowed to work (well other than forced into prostitution to fulfil what the men want from them as a virgin). |  | | |
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