| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... 20:01 - Jun 20 with 2690 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn81g4e0nlyo
The sort of thing that even the Tories would probably think twice about. How the hell is throwing some paint at a stationary plane an act of terrorism?!
Kill thousands of civilians in a genocide, however... [Post edited 20 Jun 20:02]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:07 - Jun 20 with 1755 views | redrickstuhaart |
Its not terrorism. Its protesting in a way that is criminal and should be dealt with as such. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:15 - Jun 20 with 1731 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:07 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not terrorism. Its protesting in a way that is criminal and should be dealt with as such. |
Yes, I'd have thought this could be dealt with under existing laws (which have been tightened significantly in the last couple of years). I don't know anything about Palestine Action though.
Nice to see the BBC giving Farage a voice, AGAIN. Every single fkn time Reform are the go to for comments. At least the Tories got a mention this time as well to keep them a bit relevant, bless 'em. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:20 - Jun 20 with 1711 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:07 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not terrorism. Its protesting in a way that is criminal and should be dealt with as such. |
I guess it being an RAF base that they broke into adds a bit to it.
I don't think CND was ever branded a terrorist organisation was it? I guess it would be nowadays, though, if it still acted how it did during the Cold War. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:20 - Jun 20 with 1713 views | Zx1988 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:07 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not terrorism. Its protesting in a way that is criminal and should be dealt with as such. |
Exactly - it's a massive overreach by the Government.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion have done far more disruptive/destructive things in the name of protest, yet even the Tories wouldn't use terrorism legislation against them. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:30 - Jun 20 with 1657 views | bsw72 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:07 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not terrorism. Its protesting in a way that is criminal and should be dealt with as such. |
Agree. Not terrorism but the level of stupidity and risk in doing this astounds me. Imagine the outcry if they had been shot, they are breaking in to an active British military base during a time of heightened security.
Not to mention the heads that will roll within the security teams on the base. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:36 - Jun 20 with 1621 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:30 - Jun 20 by bsw72 |
Agree. Not terrorism but the level of stupidity and risk in doing this astounds me. Imagine the outcry if they had been shot, they are breaking in to an active British military base during a time of heightened security.
Not to mention the heads that will roll within the security teams on the base. |
If this was the US they would probably have been shot dead. Arguably that should be the case here on a military base. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:51 - Jun 20 with 1577 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:20 - Jun 20 by Zx1988 |
Exactly - it's a massive overreach by the Government.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion have done far more disruptive/destructive things in the name of protest, yet even the Tories wouldn't use terrorism legislation against them. |
They were thinking about something very similar https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qv7425gvwo
Plus Braverman brought in those disruption orders and other anti-protest legislation (much via statutory instruments rather than through Parliament) which have lead to multi-year prison sentences for doing less than this. Authoritarian creep that Labour don't seem too keen to roll back. [Post edited 20 Jun 20:53]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 00:53 - Jun 21 with 1349 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:51 - Jun 20 by Swansea_Blue |
They were thinking about something very similar https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qv7425gvwo
Plus Braverman brought in those disruption orders and other anti-protest legislation (much via statutory instruments rather than through Parliament) which have lead to multi-year prison sentences for doing less than this. Authoritarian creep that Labour don't seem too keen to roll back. [Post edited 20 Jun 20:53]
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Heroes.
If only someone was brave enough to do this in Israel. [Post edited 21 Jun 0:54]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:01 - Jun 21 with 1225 views | bluelagos |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:36 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
If this was the US they would probably have been shot dead. Arguably that should be the case here on a military base. |
One way to deal with protest I guess.
Wtf is the matter with you? It's not remotely acceptable to shoot unarmed protesters dead, just because they are at a military base.
I don't disagree they are foolish, but can we leave the killing of protesters to authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Afghanistan etc. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:40 - Jun 21 with 1179 views | Nutkins_Return |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 00:53 - Jun 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Heroes.
If only someone was brave enough to do this in Israel. [Post edited 21 Jun 0:54]
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Sorry I can't accept that. They have done damage to the engines of British plane and reportedly elsewhere on the plane. That puts lives at risk of airmen and I don't agree with compromising our military in these very dangerous times. If this led to a plane crash with British personnel onboard are you still saying they are heroes?
I know that's nothing compared to what is happening in Gaza but every life is valuable and this would not be right.
I would have had more respect if they painted a message on the planes. Impact would have been the same but only placing themselves at risk.
I can't stand what is happening to innocent people in Gaza (or what happened to innocent people in Israel that started it) but I don't agree with this protest. [Post edited 21 Jun 20:06]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:41 - Jun 21 with 1177 views | bluejacko |
Of course it’s domestic terrorism! These idiots have just attacked British strategic assets and caused £M,s of pounds of damage! They haven’t just thrown paint on a plane they have contaminated the engines (4of) and damaged the airframe with crowbars,if theses muppets had done just a tiny bit of research they would have found these planes CANNOT refuel Israeli aircraft because we use a totally different system and are used in the ME on OP Shader the operation against ISIS! Still let’s not let facts get in the way of pointless terrorism!
So by their stupid actions they have downgraded our air refuelling capacity for the foreseeable future as we are not exactly flush with Voyager aircraft. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:01 - Jun 21 with 1115 views | NthQldITFC |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:41 - Jun 21 by bluejacko |
Of course it’s domestic terrorism! These idiots have just attacked British strategic assets and caused £M,s of pounds of damage! They haven’t just thrown paint on a plane they have contaminated the engines (4of) and damaged the airframe with crowbars,if theses muppets had done just a tiny bit of research they would have found these planes CANNOT refuel Israeli aircraft because we use a totally different system and are used in the ME on OP Shader the operation against ISIS! Still let’s not let facts get in the way of pointless terrorism!
So by their stupid actions they have downgraded our air refuelling capacity for the foreseeable future as we are not exactly flush with Voyager aircraft. |
'Terrorism' is such a devalued word, it's just used so childishly by anyone who doesn't like any kind of act carried out against them now, because it sounds emotive.
I don't think a couple of hippies on eScooters will have cause a huge amount of terror to the RAF.
A criminal act, as others have said, understandable but still criminal and more than anything hugely embarrassing for RAF security.
But to call it terrorism is pathetic. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:04 - Jun 21 with 1064 views | blueasfook |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:01 - Jun 21 by NthQldITFC |
'Terrorism' is such a devalued word, it's just used so childishly by anyone who doesn't like any kind of act carried out against them now, because it sounds emotive.
I don't think a couple of hippies on eScooters will have cause a huge amount of terror to the RAF.
A criminal act, as others have said, understandable but still criminal and more than anything hugely embarrassing for RAF security.
But to call it terrorism is pathetic. |
Attacking military assets is very serious, Though I'd agree more criminal than an act of terrorism. What's more concerning is how easily they were able to get into a military facility and do the damage. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:05 - Jun 21 with 1047 views | NthQldITFC |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:30 - Jun 20 by bsw72 |
Agree. Not terrorism but the level of stupidity and risk in doing this astounds me. Imagine the outcry if they had been shot, they are breaking in to an active British military base during a time of heightened security.
Not to mention the heads that will roll within the security teams on the base. |
The heads rolling is down to the incompetence of the security arrangements though, and the feeling that the RAF should have for having that pointed out to them is 'thankful' rather than 'terror'.
The protestors have done something for a cause they strongly believe in, and putting themselves at risk is their choice. I don't agree with their choice of action here, but I agree with their right to attempt it and face the consequences. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:10 - Jun 21 with 1029 views | bluelagos |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:01 - Jun 21 by NthQldITFC |
'Terrorism' is such a devalued word, it's just used so childishly by anyone who doesn't like any kind of act carried out against them now, because it sounds emotive.
I don't think a couple of hippies on eScooters will have cause a huge amount of terror to the RAF.
A criminal act, as others have said, understandable but still criminal and more than anything hugely embarrassing for RAF security.
But to call it terrorism is pathetic. |
Not read up much in this case, but it does strike as having parallels with the Stansted hippies who locked onto a plane being used to deport people.
They wore pink, sang songs and live streamed it on Facebook.
Also charged under terrorism laws rather than criminal damage and/or aggravated trespass which were the initial charges.
They won on appeal and ironically the use of terrorism laws eventually went in their favour.
They are many things, but they are clearly not terrorists despite the outrage of many at what they see as stupid or criminal acts.
The hang em flog brigade will froth at the mouth but it doesn't change that basic fact. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:10 - Jun 21 with 1024 views | djgooder |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:01 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
One way to deal with protest I guess.
Wtf is the matter with you? It's not remotely acceptable to shoot unarmed protesters dead, just because they are at a military base.
I don't disagree they are foolish, but can we leave the killing of protesters to authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Afghanistan etc. |
At the point a guard on a military base is making the decision to shoot or not shoot a person who has broken into military base and approaching a high value object that is required for the defence of the realm is not the time to question someone’s motives. The guard has to make a decision there and then on the threat to the nations security. They are trained to ask someone to stop three times. Seconds after the third request to stop the guard fires, with the aim of killing.
If a protester gets killed on a British military base they were effectively committing suicide. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:17 - Jun 21 with 991 views | bluelagos |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:10 - Jun 21 by djgooder |
At the point a guard on a military base is making the decision to shoot or not shoot a person who has broken into military base and approaching a high value object that is required for the defence of the realm is not the time to question someone’s motives. The guard has to make a decision there and then on the threat to the nations security. They are trained to ask someone to stop three times. Seconds after the third request to stop the guard fires, with the aim of killing.
If a protester gets killed on a British military base they were effectively committing suicide. |
You are arguing that a soldier would be justified in shooting dead an unarmed protester who was damaging a plane that is on a military Base? | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:20 - Jun 21 with 978 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:17 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
You are arguing that a soldier would be justified in shooting dead an unarmed protester who was damaging a plane that is on a military Base? |
The point is not about shooting unarmed protestors, but that soldiers on a secure military base probably ought to be assuming the worst about people there without authorisation. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:23 - Jun 21 with 963 views | bluelagos |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:20 - Jun 21 by redrickstuhaart |
The point is not about shooting unarmed protestors, but that soldiers on a secure military base probably ought to be assuming the worst about people there without authorisation. |
If they felt they were in imminent danger of attack I have no issue with them taking appropriate action.
Shooting dead someone to protect a plane doesn't get close in my book.
Which is where some people seem to be in their arguments.
Apologies if I have misunderstood their position. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:50 - Jun 21 with 886 views | djgooder |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:17 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
You are arguing that a soldier would be justified in shooting dead an unarmed protester who was damaging a plane that is on a military Base? |
The soldier doesn’t know that he is a protestor. The soldier knows it is someone who has illegally entered a military base and refused to stop three times when asked. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:02 - Jun 21 with 836 views | bluejacko |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:20 - Jun 20 by Zx1988 |
Exactly - it's a massive overreach by the Government.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion have done far more disruptive/destructive things in the name of protest, yet even the Tories wouldn't use terrorism legislation against them. |
Did the above ‘protesters’ go on to a military airfield and damage STRATEGIC assets vital to securing our airspace and allowing British forces to deploy overseas when necessary? We are that short of these aircraft the even Boris’s plane that Starmer and Lammy are racking up their air miles in has a secondary refuelling role!
The RAF does not support Israel in any way and the only time they go anywhere near israel is on the way to Syria to carry out the mission given to them by the Govt! | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:12 - Jun 21 with 809 views | NthQldITFC |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:23 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
If they felt they were in imminent danger of attack I have no issue with them taking appropriate action.
Shooting dead someone to protect a plane doesn't get close in my book.
Which is where some people seem to be in their arguments.
Apologies if I have misunderstood their position. |
As a nominal 'leftie' I still think there's a red line when it comes to military establishments given that we still live in a democracy. Absolutely support protests outside, but the boundaries of a base should be absolutely inviolable.
Any guards cannot be expected to be sure of the intentions of someone who has penetrated the security, and it could be that a single plane makes all the difference in the event of an unexpected (and unrelated) attack on Britain half an hour later.
Having said that, the protestors have a right to have a go if they accept the risks, and they are NOT terrorists. The standards of RAF security have been badly shown up and the powers that be are embarrassed by that. That's the major takeaway from this event, in my opinion. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:13 - Jun 21 with 805 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:23 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
If they felt they were in imminent danger of attack I have no issue with them taking appropriate action.
Shooting dead someone to protect a plane doesn't get close in my book.
Which is where some people seem to be in their arguments.
Apologies if I have misunderstood their position. |
Do point us to where someone has made the argument you posit... | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:14 - Jun 21 with 799 views | lowhouseblue |
"If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... "
though what is actually being said is that if you are an organisation which organises and enables attacks on crucial uk defence infrastructure then you're a terrorist organisation which should be banned.
the two are not the same. your version is clearly nonsense, the real version is at least debatable. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:14 - Jun 21 with 799 views | charlie_lynton |
States call people 'terrorists' to allow them to take swift action against them which will override regular laws. The definition itself is almost meaningless. As soon as you hear a politician or leader call someone a 'terrorist', it means they will attempt to prosecute this person for their own political benefit. |  | | |
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