| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... 20:01 - Jun 20 with 2412 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn81g4e0nlyo
The sort of thing that even the Tories would probably think twice about. How the hell is throwing some paint at a stationary plane an act of terrorism?!
Kill thousands of civilians in a genocide, however... [Post edited 20 Jun 20:02]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:17 - Jun 21 with 687 views | Zx1988 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:50 - Jun 21 by djgooder |
The soldier doesn’t know that he is a protestor. The soldier knows it is someone who has illegally entered a military base and refused to stop three times when asked. |
You're making quite a leap there.
One would assume that a protester such as this would probably be rather inclined to stop at the point at which an armed man/woman tells them to. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:29 - Jun 21 with 639 views | djgooder |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:17 - Jun 21 by Zx1988 |
You're making quite a leap there.
One would assume that a protester such as this would probably be rather inclined to stop at the point at which an armed man/woman tells them to. |
Agreed. At the point anyone refuses an armed guard for a third time you can only assume hostile intent. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:31 - Jun 21 with 633 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:40 - Jun 21 by Nutkins_Return |
Sorry I can't accept that. They have done damage to the engines of British plane and reportedly elsewhere on the plane. That puts lives at risk of airmen and I don't agree with compromising our military in these very dangerous times. If this led to a plane crash with British personnel onboard are you still saying they are heroes?
I know that's nothing compared to what is happening in Gaza but every life is valuable and this would not be right.
I would have had my h more respect if they pained a message on the planes. Impact would have been the same but only placing themselves at risk.
I can't stand what is happening to innocent people in Gaza (or what happened to innocent people in Israel that started it) but I don't agree with this protest. [Post edited 21 Jun 7:41]
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The most successful part of Netanyahu's propaganda campaign is the idea that the (awful, evil, terrible) Hamas attacks on 7th October 2023 in any way "started it".
It's like the clock has somehow been reset and everything the IDF or the Settler Movement has done to Palestinians before that date never happened.
Hamas didn't "start it" on 7th October 2023. "It" (the deliberate killing of unarmed civilians) was happening before Hamas even existed.
The other one, which you don't say in your post, is "Israel has a right to defend itself". Yes, it does. Every sovereign nation has a right to defend itself. But within the terms of eg the Geneva Convention, and other applicable Conventions, Treaties and International Law. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:41 - Jun 21 with 578 views | lowhouseblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:31 - Jun 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The most successful part of Netanyahu's propaganda campaign is the idea that the (awful, evil, terrible) Hamas attacks on 7th October 2023 in any way "started it".
It's like the clock has somehow been reset and everything the IDF or the Settler Movement has done to Palestinians before that date never happened.
Hamas didn't "start it" on 7th October 2023. "It" (the deliberate killing of unarmed civilians) was happening before Hamas even existed.
The other one, which you don't say in your post, is "Israel has a right to defend itself". Yes, it does. Every sovereign nation has a right to defend itself. But within the terms of eg the Geneva Convention, and other applicable Conventions, Treaties and International Law. |
so when do you think it did "start"? the anti-jewish pogroms in the '20s? we can all play the game of picking an event to claim as "the start" so as to place blame on one group or another. [Post edited 21 Jun 9:44]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:51 - Jun 21 with 556 views | Zx1988 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:41 - Jun 21 by lowhouseblue |
so when do you think it did "start"? the anti-jewish pogroms in the '20s? we can all play the game of picking an event to claim as "the start" so as to place blame on one group or another. [Post edited 21 Jun 9:44]
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For this particular conflict (or however you want to describe it), the point at which Israel first decided that the original borders of Israel/Palestine didn't apply, and that they wanted what Palestine had, thank you very much. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:08 - Jun 21 with 529 views | Churchman |
I’m really not interested in the terminology. Terrorism, attempted murder, traitorism, vandalism - whatever. I see this incident as follows: Totally unacceptable.
Our cash starved, under supported, underpaid, tiny military have a difficult enough job to do. They exist to defend us against our enemies who are growing all the time. They act on the orders of the politicians who we vote in and out. The military will now have to be defended against the very people they are defending.
As Jacko pointed out, these aircraft have nothing to do with Gaza yet some individuals decided to cause £millions of pounds of damage and most import of all risk the lives of RAF personnel. How can that be acceptable? What they did was more than throw a bit of paint at an aircraft. They damaged the engines and had a go with crowbars.
If anyone thinks that’s nothing, let me know when you are taking your next Ryanair flight to Aya Napa and let’s do the same to O’Leary’s finest and see if you want to clamber aboard without it being fixed and completely checked over at a cost of x.
For me, the solution is simple. If people are made aware that if they break into a military facility they run the risk of being shot on sight, arrested, jailed, attacked by dogs, made to pay for the damage they caused, etc, they can make a considered choice to climb aboard their little scooters or otherwise. Their choice.
An over reaction on my part? Well it’s just my view that what’s left of under appreciated military deserve better than to be treated like that by the citizens they are there to protect. They get enough scorn from the politicians as it is.
Unlike a lot of countries, people have a right to boot out those who make policy. People also have the right to protest here, but there are acceptable and unacceptable ways. This was the latter. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:19 - Jun 21 with 510 views | brazil1982 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:31 - Jun 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The most successful part of Netanyahu's propaganda campaign is the idea that the (awful, evil, terrible) Hamas attacks on 7th October 2023 in any way "started it".
It's like the clock has somehow been reset and everything the IDF or the Settler Movement has done to Palestinians before that date never happened.
Hamas didn't "start it" on 7th October 2023. "It" (the deliberate killing of unarmed civilians) was happening before Hamas even existed.
The other one, which you don't say in your post, is "Israel has a right to defend itself". Yes, it does. Every sovereign nation has a right to defend itself. But within the terms of eg the Geneva Convention, and other applicable Conventions, Treaties and International Law. |
Disgraceful post. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:22 - Jun 21 with 506 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:08 - Jun 21 by Churchman |
I’m really not interested in the terminology. Terrorism, attempted murder, traitorism, vandalism - whatever. I see this incident as follows: Totally unacceptable.
Our cash starved, under supported, underpaid, tiny military have a difficult enough job to do. They exist to defend us against our enemies who are growing all the time. They act on the orders of the politicians who we vote in and out. The military will now have to be defended against the very people they are defending.
As Jacko pointed out, these aircraft have nothing to do with Gaza yet some individuals decided to cause £millions of pounds of damage and most import of all risk the lives of RAF personnel. How can that be acceptable? What they did was more than throw a bit of paint at an aircraft. They damaged the engines and had a go with crowbars.
If anyone thinks that’s nothing, let me know when you are taking your next Ryanair flight to Aya Napa and let’s do the same to O’Leary’s finest and see if you want to clamber aboard without it being fixed and completely checked over at a cost of x.
For me, the solution is simple. If people are made aware that if they break into a military facility they run the risk of being shot on sight, arrested, jailed, attacked by dogs, made to pay for the damage they caused, etc, they can make a considered choice to climb aboard their little scooters or otherwise. Their choice.
An over reaction on my part? Well it’s just my view that what’s left of under appreciated military deserve better than to be treated like that by the citizens they are there to protect. They get enough scorn from the politicians as it is.
Unlike a lot of countries, people have a right to boot out those who make policy. People also have the right to protest here, but there are acceptable and unacceptable ways. This was the latter. |
I’m more on the side of preserving what little that’s left of our right to protest. I doubt it will stop us supporting Israel’s genocidal actions in this case, but I admire those who try and know that’ll face severe consequences (same with environmental protest). We’ve a long history of using protest to overturn injustices and we lose it at our peril imo. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:23 - Jun 21 with 500 views | Zx1988 |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:19 - Jun 21 by brazil1982 |
Disgraceful post. |
You mis-spelled 'incredibly accurate'.
Netenyoohoo has done an incredible job of erasing the entire history of Israeli aggression/atrocities pre-2023. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:24 - Jun 21 with 500 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:19 - Jun 21 by brazil1982 |
Disgraceful post. |
In what way? Be specific. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:58 - Jun 21 with 471 views | Crawfordsboot |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:19 - Jun 21 by brazil1982 |
Disgraceful post. |
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Can I suggest you look up the Palestinian and Israeli deaths each year since 2010 and check out the numbers of Palestinian men, women and children held as prisoners without trial (hostages). |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 11:02 - Jun 21 with 464 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:58 - Jun 21 by Crawfordsboot |
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Can I suggest you look up the Palestinian and Israeli deaths each year since 2010 and check out the numbers of Palestinian men, women and children held as prisoners without trial (hostages). |
Or just ask yourself how easy it is to engender and continue hatred and martyrdom when you progressively invade people's homes, in the face of clear international condemnation and in breach of all international law, over many years, removing people from their homes forcibly and call it "settling". | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 11:42 - Jun 21 with 429 views | reusersfreekicks |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 10:19 - Jun 21 by brazil1982 |
Disgraceful post. |
Your's is the disgraceful post.
Also ignorant |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:06 - Jun 21 with 400 views | leitrimblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:51 - Jun 21 by Zx1988 |
For this particular conflict (or however you want to describe it), the point at which Israel first decided that the original borders of Israel/Palestine didn't apply, and that they wanted what Palestine had, thank you very much. |
The 1948 Nakba is probably not a bad place to start.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs. The forced displacement and expulsion of half the Arab Palastine population. (750,000 people)
The massacres of hundreds of unarmed civilians and prisoners of war. Etc etc etc |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:26 - Jun 21 with 366 views | lowhouseblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:51 - Jun 21 by Zx1988 |
For this particular conflict (or however you want to describe it), the point at which Israel first decided that the original borders of Israel/Palestine didn't apply, and that they wanted what Palestine had, thank you very much. |
and in what context did israel's 1948 borders change? | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:53 - Jun 21 with 334 views | BloomBlue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 09:41 - Jun 21 by lowhouseblue |
so when do you think it did "start"? the anti-jewish pogroms in the '20s? we can all play the game of picking an event to claim as "the start" so as to place blame on one group or another. [Post edited 21 Jun 9:44]
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As you say that's the problem, each side picks the date which helps justify their side of the arguement. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:53 - Jun 21 with 325 views | lowhouseblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 11:54 - Jun 21 by leitrimblue |
Never realised that Palestinians were behind the anti Jewish pogroms of the 1920,s. Guess you learn something new everyday  |
well then i'm glad you're learning. you can speed the process up by reading about the palestinian riots and hebron massacre in 1929 for example. showing off about your ignorance is strange, but still well done you. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:54 - Jun 21 with 333 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:53 - Jun 21 by BloomBlue |
6th century BC
As you say that's the problem, each side picks the date which helps justify their side of the arguement. |
And both sides' positions are tied up in religious nonsense. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 13:08 - Jun 21 with 314 views | leitrimblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 12:53 - Jun 21 by lowhouseblue |
well then i'm glad you're learning. you can speed the process up by reading about the palestinian riots and hebron massacre in 1929 for example. showing off about your ignorance is strange, but still well done you. |
So your suggesting that the 1929 Palastine riots in which similar amounts of Jews and Arabs were killed were 'anti Jewish pogroms' and herald the start of the Isreal Palestinian conflict?
Not sure what yer strong point is but its clearly not history | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 13:25 - Jun 21 with 286 views | bluejacko |
Righto can someone please point out to me what this mindless and senseless attack has made to make the plight of the Palestinian s better? Are the Israelis changing their attitude,are Hamas any better of?don’t think so!
There are plenty of other ways of trying to make your point other than causing £M s of damage to military aircraft ! | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 13:33 - Jun 21 with 246 views | lowhouseblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 13:08 - Jun 21 by leitrimblue |
So your suggesting that the 1929 Palastine riots in which similar amounts of Jews and Arabs were killed were 'anti Jewish pogroms' and herald the start of the Isreal Palestinian conflict?
Not sure what yer strong point is but its clearly not history |
i wasn't claiming it to be the "start" - i was making the point that it is almost impossible to identify a "start", and people who pick events to claim that their side are the historical victims are being disingenuous.
and yes those events began as anti-jewish pogroms. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... (n/t) on 13:49 - Jun 21 with 215 views | ReusersTown |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:20 - Jun 20 by Zx1988 |
Exactly - it's a massive overreach by the Government.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion have done far more disruptive/destructive things in the name of protest, yet even the Tories wouldn't use terrorism legislation against them. |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 18:21 - Jun 21 with 36 views | J2BLUE |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:23 - Jun 21 by bluelagos |
If they felt they were in imminent danger of attack I have no issue with them taking appropriate action.
Shooting dead someone to protect a plane doesn't get close in my book.
Which is where some people seem to be in their arguments.
Apologies if I have misunderstood their position. |
Entering a military base unauthorised is asking for a bullet. In hindsight it's easy to judge but in real time they are lucky they didn't suffer serious consequences.
Hopefully they will feel the full consequences of the law. |  |
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