| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... 20:01 - Jun 20 with 7753 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn81g4e0nlyo
The sort of thing that even the Tories would probably think twice about. How the hell is throwing some paint at a stationary plane an act of terrorism?!
Kill thousands of civilians in a genocide, however... [Post edited 20 Jun 20:02]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:23 - Jun 23 with 602 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 17:45 - Jun 23 by DJR |
Agreed.
And there's an Interesting free-speech angle by Sally Rooney, the Irish writer in today's Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/22/israel-palestine-action-uk
"Israel kills innocent Palestinians. Activists spray-paint a plane. Guess which the UK government calls terrorism
If Palestine Action becomes a proscribed group, writing these words of support could become a serious offence. It’s vital we fight this alarming attack on free speech"
"But proscribing an entire organisation under the Terrorism Act is not the same thing as prosecuting particular individuals for specific transgressions. If the government follows through with its intention to designate Palestine Action as a terror organisation, mere membership of the group would constitute a crime. In fact, even supporting the group purely in words – as I am doing now – could also constitute a serious legal offence, punishable with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison." [Post edited 23 Jun 17:49]
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I’ll have a quick read of that now, ta. Not that it’ll make much difference to what I think about it. I already can’t understand why people value monetary damage to property higher than the loss of human life. Human life is sacrosanct imho. If you value money, property or possessions ahead of life you’re doing it all wrong. We each only have one life, and should protect, nurture and make the most of it. Can always buy another house, car, war plane. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:36 - Jun 23 with 570 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:05 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
Why?
In WW2 as a British citizen if you broke into an airbase and damaged aircraft or any other base come to that, you were essentially fighting against your own people. Betrayal? Treason? Whatever term you’d like to apply, you faced the gallows.
Other than execution (rightly) long since taken off the statue book, it’s exactly the same principle so is use of that term that much OTT?
Or do you view it as nothing. A little bit of paint meriting a slap on the wrist for a minor protest? How would you classify it and what would you do with the perpetrators?
Accusing me of being Trumpian given my well known views of him, that is what’s ridiculous. |
Read what is written.
It is criminal damagem and probably other things which can absolutely warrant a good deal more than a slap on the wrists (10 years available just for the crim damage by the way.... putting aside breaking and entering and any other offences identified)
It does not make an entire organisation TERRORIST such that it should be a crime merely to agree with its aims and sympathise or support it. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:49 - Jun 23 with 541 views | Churchman |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:36 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
Read what is written.
It is criminal damagem and probably other things which can absolutely warrant a good deal more than a slap on the wrists (10 years available just for the crim damage by the way.... putting aside breaking and entering and any other offences identified)
It does not make an entire organisation TERRORIST such that it should be a crime merely to agree with its aims and sympathise or support it. |
There is no need to be rude. I haven’t been to you.
As I’ve said on a number of occasions now, I am not hooked up on terminology. Bring in a new law, a new definition anything you like. But it is far more than ‘criminal damage’ in my view. It is an attack on the people that defend us.
Their job is already a tough one without worrying about whether the mechanics have picked up on all the damage done to an aeroplane you are boarding. Did the protestors leave a list of what they did? Of course not. They neither knew nor cared.
A pure protest would have been spraying a building or a runway. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:52 - Jun 23 with 538 views | WinchBlue |
Attacking a military base is nuts. These guys defend us!
If this was done by Palestine Action it was an act of crass stupidity.
If it was done by someone pro Israel pretending to be Palestine Action it was brilliant strategy to reduce support for Gaza. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:01 - Jun 23 with 524 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:49 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
There is no need to be rude. I haven’t been to you.
As I’ve said on a number of occasions now, I am not hooked up on terminology. Bring in a new law, a new definition anything you like. But it is far more than ‘criminal damage’ in my view. It is an attack on the people that defend us.
Their job is already a tough one without worrying about whether the mechanics have picked up on all the damage done to an aeroplane you are boarding. Did the protestors leave a list of what they did? Of course not. They neither knew nor cared.
A pure protest would have been spraying a building or a runway. |
It is precisely criminal damage.
The idea that an entire organisation can be proscribed as terrorist for the criminal actions of a few is terrifying (pun intended). It IS how Trump operates.
If ITFC supporters from the Haverhill Special group trash a pub and threaten police, should we proscribe town supporters as a whoel for terrorism?
Silly example- but not as silly as it looks when you stop and think about it. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:15 - Jun 23 with 510 views | StokieBlue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:52 - Jun 23 by WinchBlue |
Attacking a military base is nuts. These guys defend us!
If this was done by Palestine Action it was an act of crass stupidity.
If it was done by someone pro Israel pretending to be Palestine Action it was brilliant strategy to reduce support for Gaza. |
I don't think it's reduced support for Gaza in the slightest.
There was a large rally in London on Saturday for Gaza. They aren't really widely reported in the press anymore.
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:22 - Jun 23 with 491 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 19:09 - Jun 23 by Kievthegreat |
It's quite a worrying precedent, not because of the people who broke onto the airfield who can easily face a plethora of charges and quite rightly should.
The issue is that proscribing the organisation means that being a member or supporting them is now a crime. Support can also be extremely wide net to cast. It can be facilitating criminal activity or merely expressing support on social media or holding a flag/placard. It's ludicrous to lump this organisation with Al Qaeda, neo-nazis, Hezbollah, etc... whichever way you cut it. |
Quite. It’s scary how many people don’t understand that.
For example, multiple posts on here agreeing with what they stand for and arguing that we should stand up to genocide by supporting their efforts, and/or criticising treatment of their organisation and individuals in it, could in theory be classed as:
Culpability level 1: “Persistent efforts to gain widespread or significant support for organisation”.
Harm category 1: “ Significant support for the organisation gained or likely to be gained”.
That’s 8-13 years in jail. For supporting a non-violent organisation that opposes the UK’s involvement in the killing of thousands of children including new norms and those still in the womb. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/proscribed-organi
We’re going mad and losing any sense of moral compass. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:32 - Jun 23 with 473 views | WinchBlue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:15 - Jun 23 by StokieBlue |
I don't think it's reduced support for Gaza in the slightest.
There was a large rally in London on Saturday for Gaza. They aren't really widely reported in the press anymore.
SB |
Public support is for Gaza.
UK Government backs Israel.
This act gives the UK Government a valid reason to ban an organisation that supports Gaza and the Government dictates policy.
If I was an Israeli sympathiser I would do everything I can to discredit pro- Palestinian organisations. [Post edited 23 Jun 21:35]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:35 - Jun 23 with 465 views | StokieBlue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:32 - Jun 23 by WinchBlue |
Public support is for Gaza.
UK Government backs Israel.
This act gives the UK Government a valid reason to ban an organisation that supports Gaza and the Government dictates policy.
If I was an Israeli sympathiser I would do everything I can to discredit pro- Palestinian organisations. [Post edited 23 Jun 21:35]
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As you say, they already back Israel so nothings changed.
The fact that they back Israel is the issue here and the reason people were driven to desperate, if foolish, actions.
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:44 - Jun 23 with 449 views | eireblue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:22 - Jun 23 by bluejacko |
As a country that can’t even convict Gerry Adam’s for being in the IRA I can’t really take you seriously when it comes to comments on terrorism! Saying Israel is committing genocide is still not declaring Israel a terrorist state is it? If a journalist criticises our govt for its actions then she can be called out,,if she is going to do so though she could always get her facts right before commenting!
If you are that interested there is a debate in our parliament soon where this group’s actions will be discussed and apparently there is a good amount of info to come out as to why they have been proscribed,so it would seem we are trying to get our house in order thank you👍 |
You can’t take someone seriously because of the actions of the government related to their diaspora?
So you are dismissing someone’s comments due to their ethnicity?
Last person that did that apologised. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:46 - Jun 23 with 446 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:35 - Jun 23 by StokieBlue |
As you say, they already back Israel so nothings changed.
The fact that they back Israel is the issue here and the reason people were driven to desperate, if foolish, actions.
SB |
Yep, there are thousands of protests across the country and it’s changed nothing. We’ve had one here every Thursday for pretty much the last 18 months. It’s easy to understand why people pull stunts like this, as you get no publicity unless you do. | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:04 - Jun 23 with 404 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 21:44 - Jun 23 by eireblue |
You can’t take someone seriously because of the actions of the government related to their diaspora?
So you are dismissing someone’s comments due to their ethnicity?
Last person that did that apologised. |
I’ve still not forgiven you for not rolling over for the Tudors and kicking off in the Nine Years War. Barstewards!  | |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:08 - Jun 23 with 395 views | Kievthegreat |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:49 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
There is no need to be rude. I haven’t been to you.
As I’ve said on a number of occasions now, I am not hooked up on terminology. Bring in a new law, a new definition anything you like. But it is far more than ‘criminal damage’ in my view. It is an attack on the people that defend us.
Their job is already a tough one without worrying about whether the mechanics have picked up on all the damage done to an aeroplane you are boarding. Did the protestors leave a list of what they did? Of course not. They neither knew nor cared.
A pure protest would have been spraying a building or a runway. |
So the decision by the government to proscribe the group Palestinian Action is driven by the actions already described in this thread and also protests and direct action at Arms Suppliers which have gained less publicity.
However this thread isn't about the actions themselves. For instance, proscribing the group has no bearing on any legal action for vandalising/sabotaging the planes (which to reiterate I think they should face hefty action). What it does is it makes it a crime to be a member or to 'support' the group. It also comes with an extremely broad brush where just expressing support for the aims of a group or wearing clothing that indicates you support them could amount to a terror offence with significant time in custody.
It also places the group on the same level as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Neo-Nazis, etc.... while their stunts are criminal, their goals are not the extermination of ethnic minorities, mass murder and other such extremes. It's bizarre to stick them in the same category. |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:11 - Jun 23 with 381 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:08 - Jun 23 by Kievthegreat |
So the decision by the government to proscribe the group Palestinian Action is driven by the actions already described in this thread and also protests and direct action at Arms Suppliers which have gained less publicity.
However this thread isn't about the actions themselves. For instance, proscribing the group has no bearing on any legal action for vandalising/sabotaging the planes (which to reiterate I think they should face hefty action). What it does is it makes it a crime to be a member or to 'support' the group. It also comes with an extremely broad brush where just expressing support for the aims of a group or wearing clothing that indicates you support them could amount to a terror offence with significant time in custody.
It also places the group on the same level as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Neo-Nazis, etc.... while their stunts are criminal, their goals are not the extermination of ethnic minorities, mass murder and other such extremes. It's bizarre to stick them in the same category. |
You could, as a fairly obnoxious Northern Irish rap group will tell you, be prosecuted for wearing a tshirt saying palestine action. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:48 - Jun 23 with 337 views | Churchman |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 22:08 - Jun 23 by Kievthegreat |
So the decision by the government to proscribe the group Palestinian Action is driven by the actions already described in this thread and also protests and direct action at Arms Suppliers which have gained less publicity.
However this thread isn't about the actions themselves. For instance, proscribing the group has no bearing on any legal action for vandalising/sabotaging the planes (which to reiterate I think they should face hefty action). What it does is it makes it a crime to be a member or to 'support' the group. It also comes with an extremely broad brush where just expressing support for the aims of a group or wearing clothing that indicates you support them could amount to a terror offence with significant time in custody.
It also places the group on the same level as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Neo-Nazis, etc.... while their stunts are criminal, their goals are not the extermination of ethnic minorities, mass murder and other such extremes. It's bizarre to stick them in the same category. |
I’m not going to be drawn into this, not least because I will not tolerate rudeness (not you, of course) so this is my last word on it. In the attached is why the government has taken the action it has.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/23/yvette-cooper-vows-ban-palestine-a
It reads like they are using an act to achieve an end as quickly as possible. Whether it’s right in pragmatic terms to use law like that or fundamentally wrong I guess is the question. I can understand it if there’s no alternative, even if it doesn’t sit right with me. A view of a legal dude would be interesting.
As for the group itself I don’t know much about it, but Yvette Cooper makes the point “The UK’s defence enterprise is vital to the nation’s national security and this government will not tolerate those that put that security at risk.” Is this correct or not? The Palestine Action response? Gets their message out, but is it accurate?
Anyway, it would seem that some on here disagree with Cooper and are supportive of Palestine Action, their aims and methods. I do not. At least in this country we are still just about free to discuss it.
I shall leave it there. [Post edited 23 Jun 23:48]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 23:46 - Jun 23 with 279 views | reusersfreekicks |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:22 - Jun 23 by bluejacko |
As a country that can’t even convict Gerry Adam’s for being in the IRA I can’t really take you seriously when it comes to comments on terrorism! Saying Israel is committing genocide is still not declaring Israel a terrorist state is it? If a journalist criticises our govt for its actions then she can be called out,,if she is going to do so though she could always get her facts right before commenting!
If you are that interested there is a debate in our parliament soon where this group’s actions will be discussed and apparently there is a good amount of info to come out as to why they have been proscribed,so it would seem we are trying to get our house in order thank you👍 |
Streuth your ignorance is boundless |  | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 23:58 - Jun 23 with 261 views | reusersfreekicks |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 20:05 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
Why?
In WW2 as a British citizen if you broke into an airbase and damaged aircraft or any other base come to that, you were essentially fighting against your own people. Betrayal? Treason? Whatever term you’d like to apply, you faced the gallows.
Other than execution (rightly) long since taken off the statue book, it’s exactly the same principle so is use of that term that much OTT?
Or do you view it as nothing. A little bit of paint meriting a slap on the wrist for a minor protest? How would you classify it and what would you do with the perpetrators?
Accusing me of being Trumpian given my well known views of him, that is what’s ridiculous. |
Come on! We are not engaged in a full scale war against nazis.
What we are doing is sfa whilst a country murders 53000+ people.
The fact that people are more passionate about some criminal damage than mass slaughter is tragic.
I read and admire your Trump posting but you seem to want his authoritarian playbook used in this instance | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 01:06 - Jun 24 with 219 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 13:53 - Jun 23 by Swansea_Blue |
That misses the point. Yes, they’re committing crimes and yes there will be consequences, but it remains that this group is non-violent. It’s just been confirmed that the group will be classed as a terrorist organisation at the end of this month.
That a non-violent protest group should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation should worry everyone. It’s a step closer to criminalising protest full stop. Even if people don’t agree with their cause or methods, maybe next time the government will clamp down on dissent on a cause you do believe in. It’s sinister as feck, imho. |
You have missed the point that I was responding to a specific post on a specific point. My point is that it would be impossible for a guard at the airbase to know that this was a peaceful protest, and that they were lucky not to have been met with force, and possibly lethal force.
I have already said that it doesn't meet my understanding of terrorism.
I have also said that, to my non-legally trained eye, I can see a possibility that the act of sabotaging RAF planes could be considered to fall foul of the Treason Act.
I take very seriously the need for a democracy to preserve the right to protest, and am disappointed that the Labour Government has shown no inclination to repeal the draconian laws on protest introduced by the various Tory Governments of the last 15 years. | | | |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 04:53 - Jun 24 with 160 views | Ryorry |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 08:50 - Jun 21 by djgooder |
The soldier doesn’t know that he is a protestor. The soldier knows it is someone who has illegally entered a military base and refused to stop three times when asked. |
If a professional soldier with a presumably modern rifle that has night sight can’t shoot to instantly disable, eg a shot into arm or leg, rather than kill, I reckon the military’s training/deployment isn’t up to scratch. |  |
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:11 - Jun 24 with 126 views | DJR |
This is Amnesty International's take.
"Amnesty International is seriously concerned by the Home Secretary’s announcement that she intends to proscribe Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation. The UK has an overly broad definition of terrorism and proscribing a direct-action protest group like Palestine Action risks an unlawful interference with the fundamental rights of freedom of expression, association and peaceful assembly.
"Terrorism legislation must always be treated with the highest degree of caution and restraint, as it allows the state to curtail due process and interfere with other human rights in ways that would violate international human rights law. Given the enormous consequences of proscription, such an interference with fundamental rights will only be lawful when it is provided by a clear law and is strictly necessary and proportionate in the sense that it is the only step capable of securing a legitimate aim.
"Clearly that is not the case when it comes to Palestine Action; the ordinary criminal law, accompanied by appropriate human rights protections, is more than capable of responding to direct action protesters of their kind. It should be remembered that proscribing Palestine Action not only makes membership of the organisation a criminal offence, through broadly worded speech offences such as ‘glorification’ it puts at risk the free speech rights of many other activists who are deeply concerned about the plight of Palestinians in the context of Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza.
"Government embarrassment at security breaches is no proper basis for excessive and disproportionate interferences with human rights. It is precisely this kind of unlawful government action that critics of the UK’s terrorism laws warned would come one day.” [Post edited 24 Jun 7:12]
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| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 07:28 - Jun 24 with 101 views | bluejacko |
| If you support Palestine, you're a terrorist... on 23:46 - Jun 23 by reusersfreekicks |
Streuth your ignorance is boundless |
Come on then,
A journalist from Ireland calls it just spray paint on a plane!so she obviously has not taken in the full facts. Who is ignorant there?
By the way these planes are used to support QRA tasking over Ireland because they rely on us to do their air policing for them so the Irish security is threatened as well!
As for Adam’s his face as well as most of the IRA leadership was plastered all over OP’s room walls during Op Banner so what does that tell you?
Listening to the defence debate in the HOC yesterday the question of this mob’s prescription was asked and there will be a further debate very soon on the subject where it was hinted a LOT more than Brize Norton will be revealed! | | | |
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