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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 15:36 - Jul 2 by SitfcB
Correct.
Absolutely deranged.
This type of story always seems to inflame some.
On one side you have the ‘you can’t say anything anymore’ crowd who make up stuff in order to get offended - even through they say they can’t stand people who get easily offended.
And on the other you have people like India Willoughby who thinks that this is an attempt to belittle trans people.
And most of the people in the middle, simply laugh at either side.
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:08 - Jul 2 with 3040 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 15:56 - Jul 2 by MattinLondon
This type of story always seems to inflame some.
On one side you have the ‘you can’t say anything anymore’ crowd who make up stuff in order to get offended - even through they say they can’t stand people who get easily offended.
And on the other you have people like India Willoughby who thinks that this is an attempt to belittle trans people.
And most of the people in the middle, simply laugh at either side.
well quite. but in general it is always a weird one. i can't imagine anything more gendered than being pregnant. if you choose to transition to a being man, which is fine, and adopt all of the associated gender stereotypes, surely you realise that being pregnant really isn't stereotypically what men do. it's a bit of a weird version of masculinity.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:50 - Jul 2 with 2799 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:18 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue
well quite. but in general it is always a weird one. i can't imagine anything more gendered than being pregnant. if you choose to transition to a being man, which is fine, and adopt all of the associated gender stereotypes, surely you realise that being pregnant really isn't stereotypically what men do. it's a bit of a weird version of masculinity.
I think one of the challenges is that the people who complain the loudest about clunky but technically inclusive language often do so from a place of disrespect (or worse) to a marginalised group. While the outcome is the same, there is a big difference between saying "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman as that captures 99.9% of cases, but in the 0.1% of cases where this doesn't apply, we should use different language that reflects the situation of that individual" and "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman because there is no such thing as a pregnant man or a pregnant "they" because trans men and non-binary individuals are just mentally ill and pretending to be something they are not".
It causes real issues because agreement on an outcome between someone who holds the former view and the latter view often seems to galvanise the latter's justification of why they hold that view, even if the person who holds the former view finds that justification abhorrent.
See also, the debate around trans women in women's sport and reducing net immigration levels.
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:50 - Jul 2 with 2792 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:14 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue
The journalist who wrote “pregnant people” should be asked to explain why they wrote that.
Why? It’s not that uncommon to hear or see that phrase - on the information leaflet for paracetamol it reads that people who are elderly or pregnant should consult their doctors if they have any concerns about it.
Just a pretty inoffensive which no one would have taken issue with if she hadn’t have rolled her eyes or corrected the auto cue.
A complete non-story.
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:32 - Jul 2 with 2442 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:50 - Jul 2 by surreyblue
I think one of the challenges is that the people who complain the loudest about clunky but technically inclusive language often do so from a place of disrespect (or worse) to a marginalised group. While the outcome is the same, there is a big difference between saying "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman as that captures 99.9% of cases, but in the 0.1% of cases where this doesn't apply, we should use different language that reflects the situation of that individual" and "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman because there is no such thing as a pregnant man or a pregnant "they" because trans men and non-binary individuals are just mentally ill and pretending to be something they are not".
It causes real issues because agreement on an outcome between someone who holds the former view and the latter view often seems to galvanise the latter's justification of why they hold that view, even if the person who holds the former view finds that justification abhorrent.
See also, the debate around trans women in women's sport and reducing net immigration levels.
Your opening sentence perfectly hits the point. I have nothing better to add.
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:39 - Jul 2 with 2347 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:32 - Jul 2 by BlueBadger
What's actually wrong with acknowledging that trans people exist? Who does it HURT?
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I could be wrong, frequently am, but at this moment in time only women can produce the miracle of child birth via pregnancy. So I wouldn't take it as anti trans, but then I'm not the person offended.
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:50 - Jul 2 by surreyblue
I think one of the challenges is that the people who complain the loudest about clunky but technically inclusive language often do so from a place of disrespect (or worse) to a marginalised group. While the outcome is the same, there is a big difference between saying "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman as that captures 99.9% of cases, but in the 0.1% of cases where this doesn't apply, we should use different language that reflects the situation of that individual" and "the official guidelines should talk about a pregnant woman because there is no such thing as a pregnant man or a pregnant "they" because trans men and non-binary individuals are just mentally ill and pretending to be something they are not".
It causes real issues because agreement on an outcome between someone who holds the former view and the latter view often seems to galvanise the latter's justification of why they hold that view, even if the person who holds the former view finds that justification abhorrent.
See also, the debate around trans women in women's sport and reducing net immigration levels.
why when you set up the opposing argument, which i am guessing you disagree with, do you include the "trans men and non-binary individuals are just mentally ill" line? it's just stereotyping and and seeking to stigmatise a view which, again i assume, you disagree with.
there is a clear argument for saying that there is no such thing as a pregnant man because biologically only females can be pregnant. there is also no social concept or 'gender' representing masculinity in which males are pregnant. people can choose whatever gender they wish, and when medical staff interact with them that choice should be respected, but in medical care biology reality wins out. if you're pregnant then you're biology female and that's the basis for treatment. legally being pregnant is a protected characteristic under the equality act and the law, as well as common sense, confirms that what matters is therefore biology.
in medical care using language which isn't clear and confuses people can have bad consequences. there are studies suggesting that the use of 'people with cervixes' rather than women in some nhs literature has reduced the take up of smears.
it's fine to disagree but don't misrepresent stuff you disagree with using made up lines like "trans men and non-binary individuals are just mentally ill" - it makes disagreement unnecessarily unpleasant.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:47 - Jul 2 with 2251 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:12 - Jul 2 by BlueBadger
On unrelated science note, 99% of elements that make up the universe are either helium or hydrogen. Acknowledging any other elements is madness.
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those aphorisms are clearly going well for you - have you been working through a box of fortune cookies?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:48 - Jul 2 with 2229 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:32 - Jul 2 by BlueBadger
What's actually wrong with acknowledging that trans people exist? Who does it HURT?
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I agree with a lot of things that you post but I do think on this, you’re wide of the mark.
I don’t think this ‘story’ is the newscaster refusing to acknowledge that trans people exist - I think it’s just someone who thought that only women can get pregnant and so used women instead. And not all biological women are able to get pregnant- they aren’t any less of a woman as are trans.
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Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:03 - Jul 2 with 2074 views
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 15:56 - Jul 2 by MattinLondon
This type of story always seems to inflame some.
On one side you have the ‘you can’t say anything anymore’ crowd who make up stuff in order to get offended - even through they say they can’t stand people who get easily offended.
And on the other you have people like India Willoughby who thinks that this is an attempt to belittle trans people.
And most of the people in the middle, simply laugh at either side.
Yep.
Incidents like this (the original script and the reaction to the correction) infuriate me. There are so many hugely important issues to address through EDI (DEI) initiatives, but this sort of incident just plays into the narrative from certain groups that it's all just woke nonsense.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:05 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue
Inclusive to whom, exactly? Men can’t get pregnant.
trans men who haven't had surgery can (though for the vast majority it'd be horrific to even think about it!)
it's a vanishly small subset of a minority, but if the choice is offending one person in a billion or zero people in a billion, who does it hurt by being polite to the one? can't see why anyone would be hurt by the use of "people"
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