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Corbyn's new party launched on 15:05 - Jul 4 by positivity
largely agree, but so does farrage and it works for him!
i wish corbyn had come across as more genuinely anti-brexit in 2016, we could have saved ourselves years of stagnation...
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The Labour stance on Brexit was an absolute shambles under Corbyn. A better strategy for the country would have been for them to accept the result and formulate in opposition a clear plan to leave in a manner that would have been as painless and seamless as possible (though it would not have been easy). Instead we had the patronising "people's vote" campaign, led largely by Labour MPs who didn't even want to win an election with Corbyn as leader, giving Boris Johnson the easy tag line "get Brexit done". Which was completely devoid of substance but played well with a public who were sick of the entire fiasco. Fighting a battle you've already lost is never a good idea.
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Corbyn's new party launched on 16:00 - Jul 4 with 1215 views
But when Corbyn was the leader of the Labour Party he got more votes in '19 than Starmer did in '24
There are too many super rich tax avoiders that don't want him anywhere near government. The billionaire owned media will ensure he's unpopular amongst the easily led masses.
But when Corbyn was the leader of the Labour Party he got more votes in '19 than Starmer did in '24
difficult landscape though, that was the brexit election, anyone interested in stopping brexit voted labour, now we have a resurgent greens and the lib dems.
he piled up the votes in the wrong places to get anywhere near power under fptp. until we get pr, the left need someone with far more leadership skills
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:47 - Jul 5 by noggin
There are too many super rich tax avoiders that don't want him anywhere near government. The billionaire owned media will ensure he's unpopular amongst the easily led masses.
Hope not Hate didn’t want him near power either - are they controlled by the billionaire media?
Besides he never even proposed any specific wealth taxes, just the usual marginal increase on PAYE which is p1ssing in the wind and wouldn’t effect millionaires/billionaires anyway.
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:47 - Jul 5 by noggin
There are too many super rich tax avoiders that don't want him anywhere near government. The billionaire owned media will ensure he's unpopular amongst the easily led masses.
which is why the left would need someone with far less baggage and considerably more leadership skills to cut through in any meaningful way.
if they're serious about changing things, they should join and bolster an existing party who already have a base, mps and some meaningful power to change things at the local level, the greens
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:47 - Jul 5 by noggin
There are too many super rich tax avoiders that don't want him anywhere near government. The billionaire owned media will ensure he's unpopular amongst the easily led masses.
The 'super rich' don't care, they will be fine. It's the middle class property owners, those with a reasonable PAYE income but "just about managing" that decide elections, and they know Corbyn would come for them as easy pickings.
Oh and the obsession with certain global issues over anything else.
Corbyn's new party launched on 11:16 - Jul 5 by baxterbasics
The 'super rich' don't care, they will be fine. It's the middle class property owners, those with a reasonable PAYE income but "just about managing" that decide elections, and they know Corbyn would come for them as easy pickings.
Oh and the obsession with certain global issues over anything else.
"Middle class just about managing" How did that happen then?
Corbyn's new party launched on 14:46 - Jul 4 by positivity
that smacks of galloway though, that kind of effect doesn't last long.
the vast majority of people really dislike farrage, but the tiny minority who do, really love him, not sure jezza has that kind of cut-through
Jeremy Corbyn isn't George Galloway.
Corbyn is a conviction politician who's big blind spot was failing to understand that being really popular at Glastonbury is, electorally under FPTP, no better than being slightly popular at Glastonbury, and worth diddly squat if the things that make you really popular at Glastonbury make you hugely unpopular in the Northern former heartlands of your Party.
But as a leader of a spoiler party, he is an absolute nightmare for Labour. If they were able to field candidates in every seat Labour hold they could make hundreds of current MPs very twitchy indeed.
In contrast, George Galloway has, shall we say, something of the Farage about his understanding of public service versus building the personal brand.
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Corbyn's new party launched on 14:06 - Jul 5 with 745 views
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:47 - Jul 5 by noggin
There are too many super rich tax avoiders that don't want him anywhere near government. The billionaire owned media will ensure he's unpopular amongst the easily led masses.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me is too thick to see the truth!
Corbyn's new party launched on 12:27 - Jul 5 by ArnoldMoorhen
Jeremy Corbyn isn't George Galloway.
Corbyn is a conviction politician who's big blind spot was failing to understand that being really popular at Glastonbury is, electorally under FPTP, no better than being slightly popular at Glastonbury, and worth diddly squat if the things that make you really popular at Glastonbury make you hugely unpopular in the Northern former heartlands of your Party.
But as a leader of a spoiler party, he is an absolute nightmare for Labour. If they were able to field candidates in every seat Labour hold they could make hundreds of current MPs very twitchy indeed.
In contrast, George Galloway has, shall we say, something of the Farage about his understanding of public service versus building the personal brand.
For all his faults, George Galloway is a tremendous orator, as shown by his evidence before the US Senate back in 2005. One observer of Capitol Hill politics declared the result: "Galloway by a knockout - before round five."
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Corbyn's new party launched on 16:10 - Jul 5 with 668 views
I think it will just spread the vote a little bit more. Perhaps it is a good thing that we are not just a 2 party system with the LDs as a weak third. Maybe having 5 parties will make it much more interesting and diverse?
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Corbyn's new party launched on 16:27 - Jul 5 with 644 views
Corbyn's new party launched on 15:52 - Jul 5 by DJR
For all his faults, George Galloway is a tremendous orator, as shown by his evidence before the US Senate back in 2005. One observer of Capitol Hill politics declared the result: "Galloway by a knockout - before round five."
Corbyn's new party launched on 12:27 - Jul 5 by ArnoldMoorhen
Jeremy Corbyn isn't George Galloway.
Corbyn is a conviction politician who's big blind spot was failing to understand that being really popular at Glastonbury is, electorally under FPTP, no better than being slightly popular at Glastonbury, and worth diddly squat if the things that make you really popular at Glastonbury make you hugely unpopular in the Northern former heartlands of your Party.
But as a leader of a spoiler party, he is an absolute nightmare for Labour. If they were able to field candidates in every seat Labour hold they could make hundreds of current MPs very twitchy indeed.
In contrast, George Galloway has, shall we say, something of the Farage about his understanding of public service versus building the personal brand.
so basically, it'll be good for farrage and terrible for the country
Corbyn's new party launched on 14:06 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE
Anyone who doesn't agree with me is too thick to see the truth!
Textbook
Corbyn's cult was half the problem, imo. Around that time they were so idealistic that if you weren't 100% behind him and his ideas, you were a Tory/fascist/Nazi. There was no in between.
There was no attempt to reach out and welcome new people. It was all "he is 100% right and if you don't agree you're stupid and have been brainwashed"
It works for the people who *are* 100% behind him - they become a little gang with a backs-against-the-wall mentality, but everyone else just gets pushed further away.
Just like an actual cult
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Corbyn's new party launched on 11:59 - Jul 6 with 274 views
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:21 - Jul 6 by glasso
Corbyn's cult was half the problem, imo. Around that time they were so idealistic that if you weren't 100% behind him and his ideas, you were a Tory/fascist/Nazi. There was no in between.
There was no attempt to reach out and welcome new people. It was all "he is 100% right and if you don't agree you're stupid and have been brainwashed"
It works for the people who *are* 100% behind him - they become a little gang with a backs-against-the-wall mentality, but everyone else just gets pushed further away.
Just like an actual cult
A few observations as someone who was secretary of my local Labour Party during the Corbyn years, although I never voted for him as leader.
1. Corbyn was put forward as the left's candidate with no expectation that he would come anywhere near being elected as leader.
2. In my view, his election was a reaction to austerity and a feeling amongst many Labour members that Labour under Miliband had largely gone along with what the Tories did.
3. If one were to call it a cult, that presumably applies mainly to the 200,000 or people who joined the Labour Party to support him: I can't imagine that many at Glastonbury who sang his name were Labour Party members. But my experience of them at a local level was that they were very decent, mainly old lefties who would never behave in the way you suggest. And in all the various meetings I attended over the Corbyn years, no one acted that way.
4. At the start of the 2017 election campaign, Labour's polling was dire (not least because of two years of attacks from all sides, including those within the Labour Party who opposed him). The election period involved a period of relative political balance which enabled Corbyn to get his message across, and it was fascinating as campaign progressed how the mood changed when I was campaigning on the streets, with many people of 50 or less coming across to Labour because they realised the system wasn't working for them.
5. Corbyn's main failing was that he was not leadership material but many of his policies were mainstream prior to Thatcher, even in the Tory Party.
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Corbyn's new party launched on 12:24 - Jul 6 with 238 views
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:21 - Jul 6 by glasso
Corbyn's cult was half the problem, imo. Around that time they were so idealistic that if you weren't 100% behind him and his ideas, you were a Tory/fascist/Nazi. There was no in between.
There was no attempt to reach out and welcome new people. It was all "he is 100% right and if you don't agree you're stupid and have been brainwashed"
It works for the people who *are* 100% behind him - they become a little gang with a backs-against-the-wall mentality, but everyone else just gets pushed further away.
Just like an actual cult
.....and if you were for him you were a terrorist supporting antisemite and just look where that has got us!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Corbyn's new party launched on 09:21 - Jul 6 by glasso
Corbyn's cult was half the problem, imo. Around that time they were so idealistic that if you weren't 100% behind him and his ideas, you were a Tory/fascist/Nazi. There was no in between.
There was no attempt to reach out and welcome new people. It was all "he is 100% right and if you don't agree you're stupid and have been brainwashed"
It works for the people who *are* 100% behind him - they become a little gang with a backs-against-the-wall mentality, but everyone else just gets pushed further away.
Just like an actual cult
Around that time being from when he won the leadership to right this second?
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