| Are we aiming too high? 08:45 - Jul 9 with 6532 views | bluesbrothers |
Obviously I love the ambition, but I'm very nervous we're aiming to recruit players that will ultimately move to the PL this window and we'll be left floundering. I think Joe referred to the situation as a high-wire act, and it's starting to look that way |  | | |  |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:48 - Jul 9 with 4804 views | SheffordBlue |
Hitting the sweet spot is really tricky but we could just as easily aim slightly too low at targets that we can easily get over the line and end up with players on 3 year contracts who can't do what we want them to if we go up.
I think the thing that gives us a bit of leeway is that if we can't get our permanent targets over the line that we'll be at the top of the list, or very close to it, for the really high potential loans from the Prem. These are likely to only happen later in the window once Prem squads have settled down so we do still have a bit of time to get the right quality in.
I'd love to have some signings in before Austria but if getting it right means we take a bit longer then so be it. | |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 08:49 - Jul 9 with 4780 views | tonybied |
If we want to sign players good enough for the Premier League then the likelihood is we'll be competing with other Premier League teams for their signatures. We've just got to hope the club do a good job of selling the dream, which I would say has been one of our strengths up to now. That and persistence! [Post edited 9 Jul 8:50]
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| Are we aiming too high? on 08:53 - Jul 9 with 4695 views | PrideOfTheEast |
We've been here before too - it concerns me but presumably the club is well aware of what it's doing.
It is clearly much more difficult to sign PL players as a Championship club versus signing Championship players in L1. Surely, anybody we're after the bottom half of the PL will be looking at too. | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:55 - Jul 9 with 4666 views | Wright1 |
Has there even been any concrete links to Hackney? I feel like i've seen mostly fan talk.
Anyway, I think it's wild to find the negative in the club trying to sign really good players. This team is really good and it will take excellent players to improve it. Plus if they aren't of that calibre and we do get promoted, then they will just be surplus to requirements next season. | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:55 - Jul 9 with 4651 views | ipswichtillidie |
Whilst I believe there is probably interest in this particular player, I don’t think we would hang our hat on him so to speak. Tyler Morton would be a player more gettable I’d say. Would obviously love to see both here on our midfield albeit unlikely. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 08:55 - Jul 9 with 4646 views | Guthrum |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:48 - Jul 9 by SheffordBlue |
Hitting the sweet spot is really tricky but we could just as easily aim slightly too low at targets that we can easily get over the line and end up with players on 3 year contracts who can't do what we want them to if we go up.
I think the thing that gives us a bit of leeway is that if we can't get our permanent targets over the line that we'll be at the top of the list, or very close to it, for the really high potential loans from the Prem. These are likely to only happen later in the window once Prem squads have settled down so we do still have a bit of time to get the right quality in.
I'd love to have some signings in before Austria but if getting it right means we take a bit longer then so be it. |
I think that's a key area we'll be shopping in. Young Prem loans with maybe an option to buy. Looking for another Hutchinson. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:02 - Jul 9 with 4501 views | StokieBlue |
Not concerned at all.
I imagine the club have a list of very ambitious signings, if they don't come off I assume they have a list that they know they can get.
Far too much analysis on too little data.
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:02 - Jul 9 with 4505 views | bsw72 |
When you say "we" I assume you mean the fans / this board, as because the only current transfer we have any confirmation about it is the Cajuste offer.
Everything else is supposition, as the club are not playing out their transfer activity in public. [Post edited 9 Jul 9:04]
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:02 - Jul 9 with 4479 views | NthQldITFC |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:55 - Jul 9 by Wright1 |
Has there even been any concrete links to Hackney? I feel like i've seen mostly fan talk.
Anyway, I think it's wild to find the negative in the club trying to sign really good players. This team is really good and it will take excellent players to improve it. Plus if they aren't of that calibre and we do get promoted, then they will just be surplus to requirements next season. |
There haven't really been that many concrete links to anybody, have there? I think that's one of the things that makes some fans so angsty. For me, it's reassuringly professional.
And we'll be at the top of the queue for players who don't get the PL gig they want (club and/or chance of playing games) and as mentioned above for PL players that parent clubs want to get the best possible developmental loan for.
In that sense we're in a stronger position than any of the last three (or probably forty!) seasons and we need to chill out. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:06 - Jul 9 with 4403 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
It's just unfounded rumours and speculation at this stage.
Just ignore it.
I don't understand why some people get caught up in all this.
Much easier to wait for announcements of new signings. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:16 - Jul 9 with 4197 views | Guthrum |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:06 - Jul 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
It's just unfounded rumours and speculation at this stage.
Just ignore it.
I don't understand why some people get caught up in all this.
Much easier to wait for announcements of new signings. |
That's the issue. It isn't easy for people to wait for announcements in a modern culture of constant news and instant gratification, where answers are always ready on our phones (true or otherwise).
Plus there is an atmosphere created where everyone else is racing ahead, rather than looking at why they need to (e.g. Birmingham are newly promoted, Norwich had a disappointing season and may lose a key player) or the quality of those hired. We only need four or five excellent - or very high potential - signings to complete what is already a top individual quality squad. | |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:21 - Jul 9 with 4083 views | Wright1 |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:02 - Jul 9 by NthQldITFC |
There haven't really been that many concrete links to anybody, have there? I think that's one of the things that makes some fans so angsty. For me, it's reassuringly professional.
And we'll be at the top of the queue for players who don't get the PL gig they want (club and/or chance of playing games) and as mentioned above for PL players that parent clubs want to get the best possible developmental loan for.
In that sense we're in a stronger position than any of the last three (or probably forty!) seasons and we need to chill out. |
There was enough chat about Cajuste and Guiu to make me think there's something in them. Otherwise yeah all quiet really, isn't it?
Totally agree. Some chips might have to fall but there will be some very good players that see this as a good place to play football next season. The nice thing about very good players is they don't necessarily need so much time to settle in - although we'd all rather they had it of course. | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:29 - Jul 9 with 3963 views | left_foot |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:16 - Jul 9 by Guthrum |
That's the issue. It isn't easy for people to wait for announcements in a modern culture of constant news and instant gratification, where answers are always ready on our phones (true or otherwise).
Plus there is an atmosphere created where everyone else is racing ahead, rather than looking at why they need to (e.g. Birmingham are newly promoted, Norwich had a disappointing season and may lose a key player) or the quality of those hired. We only need four or five excellent - or very high potential - signings to complete what is already a top individual quality squad. |
Spot on and couldn't agree more with everything you've said.
Bring back the good old days of heading to the local shop to buy an Evenstar to see if we'd signed anyone. | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:43 - Jul 9 with 3749 views | The_Realist_09 |
We do this every window and will continue to do so until we stop the obsession with English markets and put in place a more advanced recruitment model. | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:45 - Jul 9 with 3716 views | bluesbrothers |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:02 - Jul 9 by bsw72 |
When you say "we" I assume you mean the fans / this board, as because the only current transfer we have any confirmation about it is the Cajuste offer.
Everything else is supposition, as the club are not playing out their transfer activity in public. [Post edited 9 Jul 9:04]
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Why do some people (not just you, there's other comments in here too) refuse to admit some people do have knowledge of some of the things that are going on?
In this instance theres a twitter account that has been right time and time again, who mentioned we had bid 15m. Given their track record, I'm happy to assume that is likely v.close to the mark | | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:48 - Jul 9 with 3627 views | TractorJack |
| Are we aiming too high? on 08:55 - Jul 9 by ipswichtillidie |
Whilst I believe there is probably interest in this particular player, I don’t think we would hang our hat on him so to speak. Tyler Morton would be a player more gettable I’d say. Would obviously love to see both here on our midfield albeit unlikely. |
Morton is in the same boat as Hackney, he's being linked with Celtic and West Ham. |  | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:50 - Jul 9 with 3587 views | BloomBlue |
Ideally we need players who are capable of playing in the PL, if not when we're promoted this season we'll probably have the same problem of a big squad refit.
The squad we have now is capable of winning promotion, but an addition here/there won't hurt. So for those then yes, we should be aiming high. |  | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:55 - Jul 9 with 3502 views | baxterbasics |
Highlights the current problem with the gap between PL and Champs. It's one thing being able to build a Championship winning squad, but one that can compete the following season is almost impossible now. KM, MA and the team are stuck between a rock and a hard place. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 09:56 - Jul 9 with 3460 views | BseaBlue |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:50 - Jul 9 by BloomBlue |
Ideally we need players who are capable of playing in the PL, if not when we're promoted this season we'll probably have the same problem of a big squad refit.
The squad we have now is capable of winning promotion, but an addition here/there won't hurt. So for those then yes, we should be aiming high. |
I agree with you about future proofing and if we do manage to pull off some of the players being linked with Prem clubs, it will be a huge advantage.
The only thing that I feel is of a real concern is our current centre midfield options and lack of depth for a number 9. It isn't really ideal going in to pre-season with Morsy, Taylor and Humphreys as our only options and likewise, I am not sure we will really be wanting to use AAH as a backup to Hirst for pre-season (who's minutes will need to be carefully managed I imagine)
We were lucky when we were promoted to the Champ that we could hit the ground running with Mass and Morsy but there is going to be some upheaval to a very important part of our system. |  | | |
| Are we aiming too high? on 10:13 - Jul 9 with 3246 views | tonybied |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:55 - Jul 9 by baxterbasics |
Highlights the current problem with the gap between PL and Champs. It's one thing being able to build a Championship winning squad, but one that can compete the following season is almost impossible now. KM, MA and the team are stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
Yup, and it's just exacerbated by the promoted teams being relegated the following season for the last couple of years. Competing with teams that have been injected with 3-4 seasons of PL cash is virtually impossible, with the current PSR rules in place, for any Championship club. | | | |
| It’s all about the GAP and recruitment in this window and the next 2 is key on 10:15 - Jul 9 with 3195 views | unstableblue |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:55 - Jul 9 by baxterbasics |
Highlights the current problem with the gap between PL and Champs. It's one thing being able to build a Championship winning squad, but one that can compete the following season is almost impossible now. KM, MA and the team are stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
As the dust settles on last season and you start to consider why we were so far off survival, despite at times feeling like we were at the level
It’s all about the GAP. And that gap is player quality and physicality. And getting all the details right. And crucially getting the system right - or multiple systems.
I don’t think McKenna changed our system/style enough to match the level. Once Davis was pinned back by world class wingers and once the three AM started going down blind alleys with Delap isolated - we needed to change things up more than we did.
But to the point of the thread. We didn’t recruit right for the Prem, and we came up to quickly to have enough players to bridge the gap. Chaplin and Taylor two prime examples. Crucially we didn’t bring in enough foreign talent.
If we’re serious about becoming an established Prem team, we need to recruit very well in this window and the next two. Yes there may be a few to help us get promoted. But for example we need some centre mids and a striker who could or have the potential to be Prem ready.
It’s as simple as that. And that is much much harder business to do.
We can’t let that |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 10:20 - Jul 9 with 3120 views | Steve_M |
I think we'll only know at the end of the Summer when we have our full squad. As you imply, there's a fine line between success and failure here but, given the gap last season, it's right to be ambitious.
I would feel more comfortable with a midfielder in already though given we need at least two, maybe three, players there. |  |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 10:20 - Jul 9 with 3118 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:16 - Jul 9 by Guthrum |
That's the issue. It isn't easy for people to wait for announcements in a modern culture of constant news and instant gratification, where answers are always ready on our phones (true or otherwise).
Plus there is an atmosphere created where everyone else is racing ahead, rather than looking at why they need to (e.g. Birmingham are newly promoted, Norwich had a disappointing season and may lose a key player) or the quality of those hired. We only need four or five excellent - or very high potential - signings to complete what is already a top individual quality squad. |
It depends on your mindset. I find it easy.
If people choose to be distracted or driven by nonsense, that's their choice. | |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 10:20 - Jul 9 with 3094 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:29 - Jul 9 by left_foot |
Spot on and couldn't agree more with everything you've said.
Bring back the good old days of heading to the local shop to buy an Evenstar to see if we'd signed anyone. |
Just ignore the noise. I promise, its easy if you try.
Its a personal mindset. | |
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| Are we aiming too high? on 10:24 - Jul 9 with 3006 views | bsw72 |
| Are we aiming too high? on 09:45 - Jul 9 by bluesbrothers |
Why do some people (not just you, there's other comments in here too) refuse to admit some people do have knowledge of some of the things that are going on?
In this instance theres a twitter account that has been right time and time again, who mentioned we had bid 15m. Given their track record, I'm happy to assume that is likely v.close to the mark |
Not aware I have said anywhere that I refuse to admit that people have more knowledge, but as far as I am concerned until the club confirm we have made offers etc, I consider it rumours to a lesser or greater extent.
You talk about people being right time and time again, but I would also suggest that they have got things wrong as well. You say it yourself; "assume" and "likely v. close to the mark" - I'd rather wait for confirmation before I get over-excited or underwhelmed.
You do your thing and I will do mine. | | | |
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