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I love broady. But I just don't get the vibe that KM is that keen. That's not a slight it may literally just be that broadh doesn't have the engine for the work KM needs him to do defensively. But most appearences from broady on the ball at least he always does something and something different to others.
In an ideal world you'd have him involved each game but don't know how that then upsets the balance of things.
Hope we keep him tho. He'll be a danger to who ever he joined it he did go.
I agree I to would love to see him in every game, but his injury prone and very rarely 100% fit. He is a class act, but his fitness lets him doen
I love broady. But I just don't get the vibe that KM is that keen. That's not a slight it may literally just be that broadh doesn't have the engine for the work KM needs him to do defensively. But most appearences from broady on the ball at least he always does something and something different to others.
In an ideal world you'd have him involved each game but don't know how that then upsets the balance of things.
Hope we keep him tho. He'll be a danger to who ever he joined it he did go.
Think that’s more a narrative rather than factual.
Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output.
There is absolutely no doubt that at 27, in his prime, Broady remains very much the number 1 operator from the left.
If he were sold, or even not the number 1 choice from the left this season, it’s would be a huge mistake.
Think that’s more a narrative rather than factual.
Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output.
There is absolutely no doubt that at 27, in his prime, Broady remains very much the number 1 operator from the left.
If he were sold, or even not the number 1 choice from the left this season, it’s would be a huge mistake.
It maybe a narrative. The reason for it is because I was explaining my own puzzlement into why broady doesn't seem to be a first choice option. He has the talent and he's had the attacking stats to go with it too yet you never get the feeling that he's the first name on the teamsheet when everyone's fit.
Think that’s more a narrative rather than factual.
Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output.
There is absolutely no doubt that at 27, in his prime, Broady remains very much the number 1 operator from the left.
If he were sold, or even not the number 1 choice from the left this season, it’s would be a huge mistake.
Harder worker than Philogene and better physical profile??
Appreciate broadheads natural technical ability and high footballing IQ, but physically he clearly falls short of especially philogene, which is why KM will prefer him.
For what it’s worth, I’d keep Broadhead around but saying you’d offload Philogene at the first opportunity is just outright bizarre.
Consistently the most effective player in that left 10 role. If he played 40 games this season you'd back him for 15 goals. We would be fecking stupid to let him go and he should be getting offered a new deal.
Think that’s more a narrative rather than factual.
Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output.
There is absolutely no doubt that at 27, in his prime, Broady remains very much the number 1 operator from the left.
If he were sold, or even not the number 1 choice from the left this season, it’s would be a huge mistake.
"Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output."
I love Broady but I don't think you can say Broadhead is "much" better at attacking output. Last time all 3 played in this division Clarke and Philogene had similar stats playing for worse teams.
I hear what you’re saying, I just mean of all the lineups I see suggested on here he’s very rarely starting in them. Just seems a bit of a given that he’s behind Szmodics or Clarke on that left hand 10 role which surprises me a bit. Maybe cause he’s not as new or shiny and cost us 10% of what Clarke did, but he’s such a talented and naturally gifted player who has so much to offer us IMO.
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He's in a position though where serious competition to start and only a year left on his deal - unpopular opinion as I love watching him but we either need to sell him or he needs to sign a new contract.
Consistently the most effective player in that left 10 role. If he played 40 games this season you'd back him for 15 goals. We would be fecking stupid to let him go and he should be getting offered a new deal.
Yes we would be very stupid, I hope he stays, joy to watch,
Harder worker than Philogene and better physical profile??
Appreciate broadheads natural technical ability and high footballing IQ, but physically he clearly falls short of especially philogene, which is why KM will prefer him.
For what it’s worth, I’d keep Broadhead around but saying you’d offload Philogene at the first opportunity is just outright bizarre.
Are you saying Philogene is a better physical profile than Broadhead?
"Broady works his absolute bolloxks off, and looks on the face of it a harder defensive worker than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, has a better physical profile and ultimately produces much better attacking output."
I love Broady but I don't think you can say Broadhead is "much" better at attacking output. Last time all 3 played in this division Clarke and Philogene had similar stats playing for worse teams.
Don't get me wrong, I like broadhead and he's definitely a player i'd like to keep. However, some people on here are a bit OTT over him (it's clear even on this thread). Some people think hes Messi or something.
I'm pretty sure he'll be behind Clarke at the start of the season, if he's still even at the club.
I recall a bit of a period in the champinship last time when he was not good for 10 or more games. He's not always great.
Broadhead at his best is a joy to watch. His ability to drift past players and his final ball is exceptional.
Issue is last time we were in the championship, as the season went on, he completely faded and was very ineffective on and off the ball, especially away from home.
Are you saying Philogene is a better physical profile than Broadhead?
Please no.
Yes, yes I am.
Take a look at the below clip and skip to 9:35 where Leif Davis talks about Philogene's impressive running power and work rate.
Broadhead for all his merits really isn't a physical player, he reminds me a bit of David McGoldrick which is no bad thing of course. Much like McGoldrick, if he had more physicality there's no doubt in my mind he'd be a comfortable PL player for the majority of his career.
To be honest, it just seems like you've made your mind up on Philogene based on very little (you're not alone on that). As StokieBlue rightly pointed out, the attacking output argument really doesn't stack up either.
As you're so convinced that Broadhead is the "number one operator from the left", I'd like to know where Szmodics ranks as he's superior off the ball and last time out in the Championship scored 27 goals. Appreciate at the moment he may be earmarked for a central role, but he's very much in contention for the left sided role IMO, especially if Hutchinson stays.
Are you saying Philogene is a better physical profile than Broadhead?
Please no.
Depends what you are looking for. Is Broadhead bigger....yes. is Philogene's athletic output better. Philogene is quicker, can turn sharper, can cover more distance etc.
Personally I wouldn't really compare them like for like. Broady is Bergkamp to Philogene's Pires...
Love Broady and he offers something different. Such a clever player. I would have him in the Sarmiento role. Game changer who can also start plenty of games. Will he sign a new contract for that.
Depends what you are looking for. Is Broadhead bigger....yes. is Philogene's athletic output better. Philogene is quicker, can turn sharper, can cover more distance etc.
Personally I wouldn't really compare them like for like. Broady is Bergkamp to Philogene's Pires...
Love Broady and he offers something different. Such a clever player. I would have him in the Sarmiento role. Game changer who can also start plenty of games. Will he sign a new contract for that.
Defensive output per FBRef
Tackles per 90 - JP 3.2 - NB 1.15 JP is 99th percentile amongst wingers, NB is 39th percentile
Interceptions per 90 - JP 1.55 - NB 0.51 JP is 99th percentile amongst wingers, NB is 65th percentile
Blocks per 90 - JP 1.84 - NB 1.03 JP is 98th percentile amongst wingers, NB is 70th percentile
Clearances per 90 - JP 1.36 - NB 0.64 JP is 93rd percentile amongst wingers, NB is 53rd percentile
Philogene contribute more by every defensive metric, and is quicker around the pitch. We've not seen enough of him here to know if he can be more of a 90 minute man as Broady tended to really fade out of games
Attacking numbers very similar across last Championship season. Philogene 4 years younger.
But with Broady we have to decide does he get a new contract or we need to sell him or we are letting a £5-6m asset run his deal down
One of his most underrated attributes is his defensive work rate.
We just haven’t seen enough of him yet.
Out of interest why do you think Boradhead’s physical profile is better? Judging by your reply it sounds like you think it’s quite far clear too.
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Mad.
Philogene is about 3 stone, he has no physical presence, he's not quick, he's not explosive, he's currently nothing like the physical profile you'd want.
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