| Meat is meat isn’t it? 10:39 - Jul 22 with 6886 views | SitfcB |
Don’t get this argument.
What’s all the fuss about? |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:42 - Jul 22 with 1063 views | BlueBadger |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:35 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
Kosher/Shechita meat is usually labelled as such.
Surely the issue here is whether people (particularly those that cannot eat it) are told that it is Halal.
This story isn't about Kosher food, if it was being served at the club without people knowing then the issue would be the same. |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:43 - Jul 22 with 1035 views | BlueBadger |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:39 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
The club aren't serving Kosher meat (if they are in this case) if they were then that would be the story, and it would need to be addressed.
Not sure why you are bringing that into it. |
I think he's just putting you in full possession of the facts here. Not sure why this is an issue. [Post edited 22 Jul 11:49]
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:46 - Jul 22 with 1002 views | Meadowlark |
I don't eat it. Not eaten meat for nearly 40 years. Not what it's cracked up to be IMO. |  | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:47 - Jul 22 with 1004 views | KrakenBlue |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:39 - Jul 22 by Zx1988 |
Looking at the full text of the post, I assume that we're now going to see a lot of new-found concern for the Sikhs from the 'Very Real Concerns' bunch, when it comes to their anti-Halal crusade. |
I was curious - if there are only 3% muslims in the Ipswich area then what percentage are Sikh? How many could be impacted by not knowing it's Halal meat.
9279 Muslims and 770 Sikhs (2021 census) apparently |  | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:48 - Jul 22 with 991 views | EEJB |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:43 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
I think he's just putting you in full possession of the facts here. Not sure why this is an issue. [Post edited 22 Jul 11:49]
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He may have well given facts about the number of plant pots in the local garden centre, it's just as relevant.
No animal should be subject to death, for human purposes, without being stunned first.
In this country over 30 million of them are each year, and I don't feel comfortable with that. If there is a possibility that the food I am eating is subject to this cruelty then I would want to be told beforehand so that I can make a choice.
I'm not sure why this is an issue. |  | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:54 - Jul 22 with 943 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:37 - Jul 22 by Zx1988 |
As the RSPCA article states - 88% of Halal-slaughtered animals are stunned beforehand, compared to 0% of Kosher-slaughtered animals.
Maybe you'd better turn your focus to Kosher meat, given that it is so much more barbaric? |
From my memory of when I was dealing with this sort of thing all "religious" slaughter was using methods that I would have been happy to prosecute if I were not prohibited by specific legislation allowing dispensations for different sects.
Keep away from it. None of it is animal welfare friendly by ordinary British standards.
Religion has a lot to answer for in this as in much else. |  | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:01 - Jul 22 with 901 views | keighleyblue |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:48 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
He may have well given facts about the number of plant pots in the local garden centre, it's just as relevant.
No animal should be subject to death, for human purposes, without being stunned first.
In this country over 30 million of them are each year, and I don't feel comfortable with that. If there is a possibility that the food I am eating is subject to this cruelty then I would want to be told beforehand so that I can make a choice.
I'm not sure why this is an issue. |
what about fish? |  | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:02 - Jul 22 with 889 views | Zx1988 |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:54 - Jul 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
From my memory of when I was dealing with this sort of thing all "religious" slaughter was using methods that I would have been happy to prosecute if I were not prohibited by specific legislation allowing dispensations for different sects.
Keep away from it. None of it is animal welfare friendly by ordinary British standards.
Religion has a lot to answer for in this as in much else. |
I agree with you entirely. I just happen to think it's funny that the anti-Halal brigade always seem happy to turn a blind eye to the Kosher side of things.
Almost as if their hatred of Halal is borne out of something other than a passion for animal welfare... | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:02 - Jul 22 with 889 views | Scuzzer |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 10:47 - Jul 22 by Matt_Netherlands |
How does that work for the hundreds if not thousands of sausage rolls that are served every matchday then….? |
Sausage meat used is mainly pork. Both Judaism and Islam do not eat pork as it is deemed unclean. |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:02 - Jul 22 with 890 views | NthQldITFC |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:33 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
You are correct.
You don't know much about Halal.
The animals are slaughtered without being stunned (which is UK law) and bleed to death through having their throats cut. That alone is certainly not "treating the animal better"
As noted by others the practice also means that other religious groups are excluded from eating the meat.
IF the story is correct and the club is not telling people that the offering is "Halal" then they are entirely in the wrong and need to comment on the story ASAP to explain their thinking or debunk it. |
I'm bowing out.
Others are saying that stunning is allowed/done. I don't know which is true.
I do know though, that there's a lot of angry/nasty undertone to this, although not necessarily your post. |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:05 - Jul 22 with 874 views | Illinoisblue |
Have we signed a striker yet? |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:06 - Jul 22 with 859 views | NthQldITFC |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:01 - Jul 22 by keighleyblue |
what about fish? |
tick, tock, tick, tock
What about fish? | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:15 - Jul 22 with 825 views | EEJB |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:01 - Jul 22 by keighleyblue |
what about fish? |
To be honest, I don't really eat a lot of fish.
If I do then I try and avoid farmed fish, but it's a fairly complex issue from an animal cruelty perspective.
My point here was purely about the information supplied to the consumer and the potential lack of it in this instance if true. But as often happens on here it is immediately turned into something else by some posters and the inference is that your concerns are religious and/or racist.
It's the main reason I rarely post on here, and I think I'll go back to "viewing only" again! | | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:17 - Jul 22 with 816 views | EEJB |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:02 - Jul 22 by NthQldITFC |
I'm bowing out.
Others are saying that stunning is allowed/done. I don't know which is true.
I do know though, that there's a lot of angry/nasty undertone to this, although not necessarily your post. |
Yep, agreed.
I'll crawl back under my stone and keep my mouth shut from now on!! | | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:19 - Jul 22 with 813 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:02 - Jul 22 by Zx1988 |
I agree with you entirely. I just happen to think it's funny that the anti-Halal brigade always seem happy to turn a blind eye to the Kosher side of things.
Almost as if their hatred of Halal is borne out of something other than a passion for animal welfare... |
You can bet your life this guy writing to Ipswich has another agenda.
I do think though if we are going to kill and eat animals there has to be one way and that is the most humane way (if 2 equally humane ways fine). And religions can say any religious words beforehand no problem at all but anything that causes suffering that isn't required to an animal in that name of religion is completely unacceptable and shame on anyone doing it. | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:20 - Jul 22 with 804 views | itfcjoe |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:37 - Jul 22 by Zx1988 |
As the RSPCA article states - 88% of Halal-slaughtered animals are stunned beforehand, compared to 0% of Kosher-slaughtered animals.
Maybe you'd better turn your focus to Kosher meat, given that it is so much more barbaric? |
Not really relevant on this thread? |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:24 - Jul 22 with 779 views | BlueBadger |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:20 - Jul 22 by itfcjoe |
Not really relevant on this thread? |
OP has Very Real Concerns about Halal Joe, they're gonna be FURIOUS about kosher, surely? | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:43 - Jul 22 with 714 views | itfcjoe |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:24 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
OP has Very Real Concerns about Halal Joe, they're gonna be FURIOUS about kosher, surely? |
Just whatabouttery though | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:45 - Jul 22 with 704 views | commuterblue |
I learnt something new today.
Most halal meat is stunned according to RSPCA
"The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter.
Around 88% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first.
All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned." |  |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:47 - Jul 22 with 698 views | Smoresy |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:24 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
OP has Very Real Concerns about Halal Joe, they're gonna be FURIOUS about kosher, surely? |
Unless the OP has been invisibly edited, he's expressed the opposite viewpoint hasn't he? "What's all the fuss about?"
And EEJB has very reasonably knocked back the whataboutery that was the kosher point.
It's clear people wish to attack the (seemingly) poorly hidden agenda of the tweeter, but it makes for a weird thread when such accusations are instead directed at others. | | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:48 - Jul 22 with 674 views | commuterblue |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:33 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
You are correct.
You don't know much about Halal.
The animals are slaughtered without being stunned (which is UK law) and bleed to death through having their throats cut. That alone is certainly not "treating the animal better"
As noted by others the practice also means that other religious groups are excluded from eating the meat.
IF the story is correct and the club is not telling people that the offering is "Halal" then they are entirely in the wrong and need to comment on the story ASAP to explain their thinking or debunk it. |
Except most halal meat is stunned....
"The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter.
Around 88% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first.
All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned." | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:50 - Jul 22 with 658 views | commuterblue |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:39 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
The club aren't serving Kosher meat (if they are in this case) if they were then that would be the story, and it would need to be addressed.
Not sure why you are bringing that into it. |
Because it's literally a direct quote from the RSPCA.
They dislike slaughter without prestunning even for religious reasons, be they Jewish or Muslim. | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 13:06 - Jul 22 with 589 views | commuterblue |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 12:43 - Jul 22 by itfcjoe |
Just whatabouttery though |
It was just the next sentence in the paragraph from the RSPCA.
Only there because the RSPCA wants all meat to be stunned first and the religious exemptions removed.
I learnt a thing today. I was not aware that so much halal meat was actually stunned.
Would have preferred a striker or Young but heyho. | |
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| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 13:11 - Jul 22 with 577 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I think the question that really needs to be asked is whether David Atherton stunned the straw man before using it to bludgeon his argument. | | | |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 13:14 - Jul 22 with 557 views | Herbivore |
| Meat is meat isn’t it? on 11:48 - Jul 22 by EEJB |
He may have well given facts about the number of plant pots in the local garden centre, it's just as relevant.
No animal should be subject to death, for human purposes, without being stunned first.
In this country over 30 million of them are each year, and I don't feel comfortable with that. If there is a possibility that the food I am eating is subject to this cruelty then I would want to be told beforehand so that I can make a choice.
I'm not sure why this is an issue. |
"No animal should be subject to death, for human purposes" would have been the correct sentence to go with. The stuff around "animal welfare" is noise to make meat eaters feel better about themselves. Factory farms in the UK are bleak despite how much we crow about our welfare standards, even what constitutes free range isn't great, certainly not much of an existence for the animals. Animals getting stunned is not all that pleasant either, the whole slaughter process - whether it's done "better" or not - is grim. If people really care about animal welfare, don't eat meat, dairy, or eggs. |  |
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