| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? 12:50 - Jul 24 with 4280 views | Mullet |
Will watch this with interest, as I think like Reform they will get a disproportionate amount of media attention.
However, I do wonder if MPs who defect should be made to hold an election immediately. If you are voted in as an MP for one party, then seems undemocratic to me to pivot to another party without a mandate. |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 15:51 - Jul 24 with 1086 views | thebooks |
Dunno, TBH. I was more inclined to think a Green/Independent alliance might work just as well in terms of getting some seats — tailor the message to the seat, even though you probably share broad aims. This nearly got rid of Streeting last time round, and you could even see Starmer’s seat being in trouble.
Instead, this might just take votes from each other. I have no idea whether it’ll capture people’s imaginations.
I don’t see loads of Labour MPs defecting, although of course Starmer might keep on chucking people out. |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:20 - Jul 24 with 1033 views | HampBlue |
A far left party (Corbyns Labour) was rejected by the country only a handful of years ago. They will never grab enough votes so I feel all this does is open the door wide open for Reform….
Put simply, Reform have already won the right of the conservatives and a chunk of the 'traditional working class' labour vote. This will damage labour further now by taking the further left half away from the only party who will challenge Reform.
Farage has a open goal to be the largest party, the only way reform mess this up is if they self implode, which I admit, given the characters involved is always a possibility.
As a side, I think a hung parliament is almost guaranteed in the next election, it will be interesting to see how that will play out with Reform the largest party - Can't see anyone getting in bed with them to form a government (I imagine Tories would probably hold out to let it collapse and grab their base back). |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:44 - Jul 24 with 993 views | J2BLUE |
I can see that being changed very quickly to the Unity Party or something similar once they realise how stupid that name is. |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:09 - Jul 24 with 959 views | DJR |
Like George Galloway's Respect, I have reservations about a left wing party owing its existence to a large degree due to a conflict in the Middle East. |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:12 - Jul 24 with 935 views | lowhouseblue |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:44 - Jul 24 by J2BLUE |
I can see that being changed very quickly to the Unity Party or something similar once they realise how stupid that name is. |
these are not people for whom realising stupidity comes naturally. |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:32 - Jul 24 with 907 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 14:20 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
I really hoped that they'd call themselves the People's Front of Judea. Or something suitably socialist like the Marxist Hammer and Sickle Popular Workers Party . |
It's the Judea's Peoples Front you want. Not the People's Front of Judea ! Bast ....s |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:35 - Jul 24 with 898 views | positivity |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:20 - Jul 24 by HampBlue |
A far left party (Corbyns Labour) was rejected by the country only a handful of years ago. They will never grab enough votes so I feel all this does is open the door wide open for Reform….
Put simply, Reform have already won the right of the conservatives and a chunk of the 'traditional working class' labour vote. This will damage labour further now by taking the further left half away from the only party who will challenge Reform.
Farage has a open goal to be the largest party, the only way reform mess this up is if they self implode, which I admit, given the characters involved is always a possibility.
As a side, I think a hung parliament is almost guaranteed in the next election, it will be interesting to see how that will play out with Reform the largest party - Can't see anyone getting in bed with them to form a government (I imagine Tories would probably hold out to let it collapse and grab their base back). |
reform has already splintered into reform/advance/restore/conservative, by the end of the parliament, could be into double figures... | |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:54 - Jul 24 with 858 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Almost all MPs are there because of the party that sponsored them.
If they leave that party for whatever reason it should cause a by-election because the voting public have been denighed their choice.
That applies to Rupert Lowe as much as Diane Abbott and everybody inbetween. | | | |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:11 - Jul 24 with 823 views | Swansea_Blue |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:35 - Jul 24 by positivity |
reform has already splintered into reform/advance/restore/conservative, by the end of the parliament, could be into double figures... |
I thought it was the Conservatives/Unionists/Nativists/Transphobes/Supremacists?  |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:19 - Jul 24 with 806 views | TJS |
I can't see any real point in this. There is already a Socialist Labour Party who stood in 12 seats at the last election. |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:40 - Jul 24 with 780 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:20 - Jul 24 by HampBlue |
A far left party (Corbyns Labour) was rejected by the country only a handful of years ago. They will never grab enough votes so I feel all this does is open the door wide open for Reform….
Put simply, Reform have already won the right of the conservatives and a chunk of the 'traditional working class' labour vote. This will damage labour further now by taking the further left half away from the only party who will challenge Reform.
Farage has a open goal to be the largest party, the only way reform mess this up is if they self implode, which I admit, given the characters involved is always a possibility.
As a side, I think a hung parliament is almost guaranteed in the next election, it will be interesting to see how that will play out with Reform the largest party - Can't see anyone getting in bed with them to form a government (I imagine Tories would probably hold out to let it collapse and grab their base back). |
Why do you assume Reform will be the largest Party?
The First Past the Post system makes it unlikely. Reform are the Party who are most polarising, and tactical voting is now an established part of British politics.
They *might* get the highest number of votes, but I think it is unlikely that they will get the most seats. | | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:48 - Jul 24 with 757 views | vapour_trail |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 17:12 - Jul 24 by lowhouseblue |
these are not people for whom realising stupidity comes naturally. |
I thought you were all about not talking down to people. |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:50 - Jul 24 with 749 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:40 - Jul 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Why do you assume Reform will be the largest Party?
The First Past the Post system makes it unlikely. Reform are the Party who are most polarising, and tactical voting is now an established part of British politics.
They *might* get the highest number of votes, but I think it is unlikely that they will get the most seats. |
Is there a more damning statement of our current voting system than "...they might get tbe highest number of votes but I think it unlikely they will get the most seats."
So much for our democracy. | | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 19:07 - Jul 24 with 713 views | lowhouseblue |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:48 - Jul 24 by vapour_trail |
I thought you were all about not talking down to people. |
you seem to be confusing an insult aimed at corbyn with 'talking down to people'. indeed, i am confident that my corbyn insult was understandable by everyone who read it. | |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 20:37 - Jul 24 with 641 views | vapour_trail |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 19:07 - Jul 24 by lowhouseblue |
you seem to be confusing an insult aimed at corbyn with 'talking down to people'. indeed, i am confident that my corbyn insult was understandable by everyone who read it. |
Fraud. | |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:19 - Jul 24 with 604 views | Crawfordsboot |
Corbyn + Sultana = spotted dick [Post edited 24 Jul 21:23]
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:30 - Jul 24 with 577 views | lowhouseblue |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 20:37 - Jul 24 by vapour_trail |
Fraud. |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:33 - Jul 24 with 573 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don’t think I’ll be touching them with a barge pole Mullers. Corbyn and Farage are two cheeks of the same arse. Both speak a populist language, both are anti-international organisations, anti any meaningful partnerships with neighbouring states. It’s a small and very interconnected world. We have to be ‘globalists’ and we have to have respected international orgs somehow trying to play peacemaker. Farage and Corbyn come at it from different ideological viewpoints, but would deliver the same result. They’d cut us off from the world, reduce opportunities and make us more isolated and poorer. | |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:39 - Jul 24 with 562 views | StNeotsBlue |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 18:50 - Jul 24 by flykickingbybgunn |
Is there a more damning statement of our current voting system than "...they might get tbe highest number of votes but I think it unlikely they will get the most seats."
So much for our democracy. |
I'm all for it, keeps the extremists of all flavours out. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:43 - Jul 24 with 555 views | BlueForYou |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:50 - Jul 24 with 532 views | DJR |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 21:33 - Jul 24 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t think I’ll be touching them with a barge pole Mullers. Corbyn and Farage are two cheeks of the same arse. Both speak a populist language, both are anti-international organisations, anti any meaningful partnerships with neighbouring states. It’s a small and very interconnected world. We have to be ‘globalists’ and we have to have respected international orgs somehow trying to play peacemaker. Farage and Corbyn come at it from different ideological viewpoints, but would deliver the same result. They’d cut us off from the world, reduce opportunities and make us more isolated and poorer. |
I wouldn't vote for them either but to suggest Corbyn is anti-internationalist seems to fly in the face of evidence.
To take but two examples, his approach in relation to both Iraq and Gaza suggest someone much more in keeping with UN organisations and the like than that of many Western governments.
Of course, you could say he is obsessive on certain issues, simplistic, naive and an idealist, but that is an entirely different matter.
And in my view all of the concerning developments in the Western world these days stem not from the left but from the right.
Finally, if there is such a thing as left populism, it doesn't seem very err... popular.
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 23:44 - Jul 24 with 444 views | reusersfreekicks |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 16:20 - Jul 24 by HampBlue |
A far left party (Corbyns Labour) was rejected by the country only a handful of years ago. They will never grab enough votes so I feel all this does is open the door wide open for Reform….
Put simply, Reform have already won the right of the conservatives and a chunk of the 'traditional working class' labour vote. This will damage labour further now by taking the further left half away from the only party who will challenge Reform.
Farage has a open goal to be the largest party, the only way reform mess this up is if they self implode, which I admit, given the characters involved is always a possibility.
As a side, I think a hung parliament is almost guaranteed in the next election, it will be interesting to see how that will play out with Reform the largest party - Can't see anyone getting in bed with them to form a government (I imagine Tories would probably hold out to let it collapse and grab their base back). |
Far left...arf |  | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 03:07 - Jul 25 with 366 views | Bluespeed225 |
Has Jeremy answered his phone since Mossad Telecom got in the works? | | | |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 07:53 - Jul 25 with 273 views | NthQldITFC |
| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 14:15 - Jul 24 by Wright1 |
I can't agree with this at all. There's too much going on in the world to only talk about the environment. WHat are they supposed to do whilst the other parties and the media are discussion other topics? Not say anything? Seems like a great way to miss out on chances to speak to the electorate and not win their vote. What if they do win a seat or (unrealistically) a majority and thereby we had a green Prime Minister? Those people have to have positions and policies on everything. |
The biggest thing that's going on in the world today is our continuing charge towards catastrophic and irreversible shifts in the climate which will make the issues we face today look like an absolute picnic.
Some people understand this and face up to it to some degree.
Other people understand it but can't face up to it.
Others still don't understand it.
And others understand but carry on with business as usual.
I say 80% of the Green Party's efforts should be directed at environmental issues because they are a small yet potentially effective force (they actually have four MPs in the Commons, and two in the Lords), who could reach out much more powerfully to at least the top three groups above and start to effect a shift in the electorate's awareness and hopefully some survival-critical democratic change.
As to winning a majority, as you said that's 'unrealistic' - it's utterly ridiculous at the moment - but if that ever became a serious possibility the context of Westminster and our awareness of our plight would have changed so much, that the Party would have done its job and have either evolved massively or reformed as something completely new. Then, having policies on everything would indeed be obviously crucial.
But to suggest that a small party shouldn't be focussed on its core issue seems to me to be a way of suffocating its real and crucial purpose, for whatever reason. |  |
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| “Your party” by Corbyn x Sultana anyone going to vote for them? on 08:31 - Jul 25 with 236 views | Devereuxxx |
I can't see it getting far. The problem that Corbyn and his close associates had when he was leader of the Labour party is they're not political savvy operators, but more akin to campaigners. So there will be rallies, speeches etc in line with their dogmatism, but very little in actual substance.
Which will appeal to some elements of the population (especially if they put Gaza front an centre, which is almost certain), but it won't gain enough momentum (if you'll parson the pun) to seriously disrupt the political system. Would they be able to stand candidates in enough seats? Or will they rely on a small amount of established left wingers (Abbot, Mcdonnell) already in Parliament to try and push their message.
Saying that, any split in the Labour vote will heighten the risk of a hung parliament at the next election. If there was an election tomorrow, I can't see any party getting a majority, and the parliamentary arithmetic to get to a coalition would be incredibly challenging. |  | | |
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