| Woolfenden 16:02 - Jul 30 with 13866 views | DorchesterBlue |
Woolfie has asked McKenna to leave, can’t say I blame him for his career sake but definitely sad a homegrown lad is off! |  | | |  |
| Woolfenden on 18:17 - Jul 30 with 2151 views | HighgateBlue |
| Woolfenden on 17:24 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
You don't sign greaves. Oshea and now kipre if you want lovely ball playing across the backline imo |
Regardless of the specifics of how we are to play, you don't sign Greaves, O'Shea and Kipre for the money we have, if Woolfenden is going to be a regular starter in the league. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 19:44 - Jul 30 with 1900 views | Ace_High1 |
A more than decent backup who can player 15-20 games as cover for form/injuries. With the amount of players leaving I would like to keep him 12 more months, then let him go next summer. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 19:51 - Jul 30 with 1851 views | gosblue |
| Woolfenden on 16:09 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
Not surprised. Think he's been treated pretty poorly to be honest - didn't really put a foot wrong in the Premier League yet was moved aside at the first opportunity. Imagine Championship clubs will be looking at him though not sure how much we'll get. |
Re: treated pretty poorly - ditto Cam Burgess. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:09 - Jul 30 with 1734 views | BarcaBlue |
| Woolfenden on 19:51 - Jul 30 by gosblue |
Re: treated pretty poorly - ditto Cam Burgess. |
I don't think they have been treated poorly. Clearly McKenna saw Burgess and Woolfie as ideal backups, both got some game time, didn't let us down but the manager has a clear idea of the type of CB he wants starting regularly. I think it's the same with Broadhead who for whatever reason wasn't the ideal regular starter for McKenna.
Understandable that all three want(ed) regular starts and so they'll have to move on to achieve that as it's clear it's not going to happen here. It's a real shame, especially in my mind Woolfie being a local boy and all that. Best of luck to them, bit sad but maybe in the end best for all parties. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:12 - Jul 30 with 1701 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 19:51 - Jul 30 by gosblue |
Re: treated pretty poorly - ditto Cam Burgess. |
How so? Both have had discussions with KM about how they are not first names on teamsheet. Burgess went off to find it. That's fine. Wolfy may do the same. That's also fine. |  |
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| Woolfenden on 20:13 - Jul 30 with 1702 views | itfcsuth |
I’m not overly surprised at this one, think he’s probably down the pecking order now .
Feels like could be the right time for the club (subject to a good fee), and for the player to go and play almost guranteed week in week out.
Would go with the very best wishes. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:23 - Jul 30 with 1618 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden on 20:12 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
How so? Both have had discussions with KM about how they are not first names on teamsheet. Burgess went off to find it. That's fine. Wolfy may do the same. That's also fine. |
And, from relative performances last season, some feel the upgrades didn't shape up to the extent we expected when compared to Woolfenden and Burgess' performances at the same level. | |
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| Woolfenden on 20:29 - Jul 30 with 1550 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 20:23 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
And, from relative performances last season, some feel the upgrades didn't shape up to the extent we expected when compared to Woolfenden and Burgess' performances at the same level. |
But we're fans. KM is the manager and he's given his new cb a new deal and possibly the captaincy. He clearly feels he's the no. 1 cb and with kipre there's a potential 2nd option with wolfy possibly the 3rd.
I know it's not popular POB but these situations are bound to happen with KM looking to turn this team into a prem ready one and one that can stay there. Wolfys stats just don't match osheas to begin with no matter what people's eyes may see.
BTW. I may sound like I don't like wolfy. I do. Have always done. But he has his limitations and it doesn't imo meet what we need in future seasons. I'm all for keeping him if he wanted to. But he's not imo a first name on teamsheet for what ipswich town fc has become. | |
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| Woolfenden on 20:42 - Jul 30 with 1483 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden on 20:29 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
But we're fans. KM is the manager and he's given his new cb a new deal and possibly the captaincy. He clearly feels he's the no. 1 cb and with kipre there's a potential 2nd option with wolfy possibly the 3rd.
I know it's not popular POB but these situations are bound to happen with KM looking to turn this team into a prem ready one and one that can stay there. Wolfys stats just don't match osheas to begin with no matter what people's eyes may see.
BTW. I may sound like I don't like wolfy. I do. Have always done. But he has his limitations and it doesn't imo meet what we need in future seasons. I'm all for keeping him if he wanted to. But he's not imo a first name on teamsheet for what ipswich town fc has become. |
That's fair, but I'm not sure whether O'Shea or Greaves are Premier League ready either. Greaves being slightly younger may result in some growth. | |
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| Woolfenden on 20:45 - Jul 30 with 1451 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 20:42 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
That's fair, but I'm not sure whether O'Shea or Greaves are Premier League ready either. Greaves being slightly younger may result in some growth. |
I think oshea is. Greaves I'm not sure but then that's not a wolfy position anyway.
Greaves when he first came in looked the bolloks. Got i fired then never looked the same. I'll be intrigued to see how he does this season. I think KM felt the same with the addition of Burgess through the season at times.
Oshea I think could be here for 10 years. Greaves.. could also be or find himself in the window next summer. | |
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| Woolfenden on 20:48 - Jul 30 with 1443 views | WicklowBlue |
| Woolfenden on 20:23 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
And, from relative performances last season, some feel the upgrades didn't shape up to the extent we expected when compared to Woolfenden and Burgess' performances at the same level. |
To some extent posters are forgetting some of the critiques against Woolfie over previous seasons, dealing with bouncing balls, getting turned too easily.
Woolfie is at his best in a back 3, mopping up the ball and then driving upfield. That is when he looks the nuts, but I don't think he has the pace or physicality for the EPL.
Love the guy and like some others really dug in during tough times to prove themselves and helped get us to the Prem.
Professional sport is utterly ruthless though and weare seriously upgrading all areas of the squad. That will mean less minutes which may not sit well with former 1st XI players.
Like Cam, Morsy, Broadhead (if/when he departs) and others they were all key parts of bringing us back to the big time and will never be forgotten. But just like in Business loyalty does not make you successful and we have to be utterly ruthless to keep Towen marching on. |  | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:53 - Jul 30 with 1408 views | Bramidan |
| Woolfenden on 20:29 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
But we're fans. KM is the manager and he's given his new cb a new deal and possibly the captaincy. He clearly feels he's the no. 1 cb and with kipre there's a potential 2nd option with wolfy possibly the 3rd.
I know it's not popular POB but these situations are bound to happen with KM looking to turn this team into a prem ready one and one that can stay there. Wolfys stats just don't match osheas to begin with no matter what people's eyes may see.
BTW. I may sound like I don't like wolfy. I do. Have always done. But he has his limitations and it doesn't imo meet what we need in future seasons. I'm all for keeping him if he wanted to. But he's not imo a first name on teamsheet for what ipswich town fc has become. |
I can’t remember him ever having a nightmare of a game when he was embarrassed.
Yes he made mistakes but who in our team didn’t?
He always looked comfortable on the ball and could bring it out of defence.
I’m not biased because he is one of our own, I think he is an accomplished defender and footballer. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:55 - Jul 30 with 1401 views | Jbarrrell |
Deffo not a decision I’d be happy with | | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:56 - Jul 30 with 1383 views | gosblue |
| Woolfenden on 20:23 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
And, from relative performances last season, some feel the upgrades didn't shape up to the extent we expected when compared to Woolfenden and Burgess' performances at the same level. |
If I was Burgess and had been dropped for a much slower Greaves I'd have been peed off. O'Shea is more of a leader than Woolfie. If Woolfie went out on loan to a lesser club , he would develop those leadership skills. I've had him pegged for future captain so it'll be sad to see him go permanently. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 20:59 - Jul 30 with 1359 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 20:53 - Jul 30 by Bramidan |
I can’t remember him ever having a nightmare of a game when he was embarrassed.
Yes he made mistakes but who in our team didn’t?
He always looked comfortable on the ball and could bring it out of defence.
I’m not biased because he is one of our own, I think he is an accomplished defender and footballer. |
It's not really about mistakes. But it'll be the things we as fans don't really look into... headers won. Duals won. Speed of turn. Speed running. Long ball accuracy. Mileage run. Etc etc.
Footy stats. For example has him down. As only 9th% for ground duals won with oshea being 68%
Airiel duals. Oshea 96% woolfenden 56%
Wolfy smashes oshes when it comes to passes completed. But oshea is more direct. So that's a given.
Any specific errors. None that I recall.. but is that because hes too safe? That's another way of looking at it. [Post edited 30 Jul 21:04]
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| Woolfenden on 20:59 - Jul 30 with 1357 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfenden on 20:53 - Jul 30 by Bramidan |
I can’t remember him ever having a nightmare of a game when he was embarrassed.
Yes he made mistakes but who in our team didn’t?
He always looked comfortable on the ball and could bring it out of defence.
I’m not biased because he is one of our own, I think he is an accomplished defender and footballer. |
He had some nightmares under Lambert - admittedly that when he was playing on the wrong side whilst partnered with a younger Mark McGuinness.
I agree with the rest though. | |
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| Woolfenden on 21:03 - Jul 30 with 1313 views | chantryblueboy |
| Woolfenden on 20:59 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not really about mistakes. But it'll be the things we as fans don't really look into... headers won. Duals won. Speed of turn. Speed running. Long ball accuracy. Mileage run. Etc etc.
Footy stats. For example has him down. As only 9th% for ground duals won with oshea being 68%
Airiel duals. Oshea 96% woolfenden 56%
Wolfy smashes oshes when it comes to passes completed. But oshea is more direct. So that's a given.
Any specific errors. None that I recall.. but is that because hes too safe? That's another way of looking at it. [Post edited 30 Jul 21:04]
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I’ve seen some bad takes on here but calling Wolfie too safe is up there | | | |
| Woolfenden on 21:08 - Jul 30 with 1250 views | BarcaBlue |
| Woolfenden on 20:56 - Jul 30 by gosblue |
If I was Burgess and had been dropped for a much slower Greaves I'd have been peed off. O'Shea is more of a leader than Woolfie. If Woolfie went out on loan to a lesser club , he would develop those leadership skills. I've had him pegged for future captain so it'll be sad to see him go permanently. |
To be fair if a cb is a lot slower than Burgess they wouldn't be anywhere near the team. Cam had a lot of attributes but speed wasn't one of them. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 21:08 - Jul 30 with 1243 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 21:03 - Jul 30 by chantryblueboy |
I’ve seen some bad takes on here but calling Wolfie too safe is up there |
Really..surprising. 82% passing completion. Majority of his passes went to greaves/Burgess or morsy. | |
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| Woolfenden on 21:09 - Jul 30 with 1231 views | chantryblueboy |
| Woolfenden on 21:08 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Really..surprising. 82% passing completion. Majority of his passes went to greaves/Burgess or morsy. |
I am begging you to put the stats down and watch the game with your eyes | | | |
| Woolfenden on 21:13 - Jul 30 with 1192 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Woolfenden on 21:09 - Jul 30 by chantryblueboy |
I am begging you to put the stats down and watch the game with your eyes |
I don't select the side. But it helps to discuss stats on a forum as it helps to explain why KM would do what he does. | |
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| Woolfenden on 21:17 - Jul 30 with 1164 views | Jbarrrell |
| Woolfenden on 16:44 - Jul 30 by PhilTWTD |
Wouldn't entirely surprise me if he wanted first-team football at this point in his career. Don't think Sheffield United will be back for him though, they're short of cash, from what I gather. |
Is it something you’ve heard any whispers of or not on your radar? | | | |
| Woolfenden on 21:22 - Jul 30 with 1091 views | NthQldITFC |
| Woolfenden on 20:56 - Jul 30 by gosblue |
If I was Burgess and had been dropped for a much slower Greaves I'd have been peed off. O'Shea is more of a leader than Woolfie. If Woolfie went out on loan to a lesser club , he would develop those leadership skills. I've had him pegged for future captain so it'll be sad to see him go permanently. |
Greaves slower than Burgess? Are you sure about that? I don't have any data, but my eyes tell me otherwise. |  |
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| Woolfenden on 22:40 - Jul 30 with 898 views | Smoresy |
| Woolfenden on 16:29 - Jul 30 by pointofblue |
We'll have to agree to disagree as I saw things slightly differently last year. I wouldn't disagree with "better" but not "miles better". Certainly not £12m worth of improvement. |
Agree with you there but equally I don't value Woolf at £0. 😉
Another I'd be gutted to see leave but it makes sense he'd want to, and that we'd consider it. Personally I think McKenna's preference is for aggressive, disruptive CBs, while Woolf's defending style to me is the opposite of that: to shepherd and contain threats. O'Shea and Greaves want to engage with ball/attacker as much as possible, with Greaves overcommitting himself quite often after his return from injury. | | | |
| Woolfenden on 23:21 - Jul 30 with 793 views | Swailsey |
Love how people automatically assume the OP is not telling the truth. People are capable of knowing inside information. I’ve been privy to lots of it over the years and I’m nothing special.
Regularly people aren’t discreet with the goings on. If this was positive news about a signing people would be upvoting it probably. |  |
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