| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. 19:05 - Aug 5 with 4169 views | homer_123 |
We can't really moan about it given we scuppered their original loan deal. |  |
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| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:43 - Aug 5 with 818 views | Horsham |
Having just taken a break from this saga to wash up and clean my kitchen….
My thoughts.
1/ There was an offer made from Ipswich to Ajax. We don’t know for sure but it’s widely said that the offer was accepted.
2/ a formal offer and acceptance has a legal meaning. The offer may well have been ‘subject to agreeing personal terms’ with the player
3/ the noise from Ipswich seems to suggest personal terms are agreed but the deal cannot be completed because Ajax will not release his registration.
So my question is really about the offer and acceptance. I’d certainly think things like formal offers to other clubs would be watertight and not just done over the phone given the financial implications. Maybe it’s just not the way in football but in business the words ‘offer’ and ‘acceptance’ mean something in law.
If Akpom wants to talk to Birmingham and accept their offer that is fine but if he is happy to sign for Ipswich it’s highly likely imo that Ajax would be very out of line in stopping it. So much so Ashton might be able to sue Ajax. Probable Ipswich have their lawyers writing Ajax a letter informing them of this.
Or maybe football is pretty amateur really and nothing is watertight. |  | | |
| Yep, the tendency.... on 21:44 - Aug 5 with 806 views | Kievthegreat |
| Yep, the tendency.... on 21:32 - Aug 5 by Rozz |
Was trying to consider both sides of any potential offer last night.
Pro Ipswich: best odds chance of the original deal working out for all parties. Highest chance Ajax get their fee, albeit on a delayed basis. Player gets lucrative prem contract if successful. Player probs gets his Ajax wage for 1 year.
Cons Ipswich: Ajax will be likely paying % of reported wages for 1 year.
Pro Birmingham permanent: Ajax get money up front (6m + wage % for 1 year). Removed risk factor of instant success for us should we fail. Player gets security of (albeit reduced) 3 year deal.
Cons Birmingham permanent: player takes likely wage cut year 1, lesser odds of prem contract in year 1.
Obviously we don’t know the nuances of each deal but you can see how complex the pulls between club and player rest on probability of promotion. |
I think the only thing I'd add is that he still has 3 years on his current deal at Ajax. Moving to Birmingham is only more security in the fact that they want him and Ajax don't. There isn't any extra financial security if they only offer 3 years at a reduced wage. |  | | |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:47 - Aug 5 with 757 views | Kievthegreat |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:43 - Aug 5 by Horsham |
Having just taken a break from this saga to wash up and clean my kitchen….
My thoughts.
1/ There was an offer made from Ipswich to Ajax. We don’t know for sure but it’s widely said that the offer was accepted.
2/ a formal offer and acceptance has a legal meaning. The offer may well have been ‘subject to agreeing personal terms’ with the player
3/ the noise from Ipswich seems to suggest personal terms are agreed but the deal cannot be completed because Ajax will not release his registration.
So my question is really about the offer and acceptance. I’d certainly think things like formal offers to other clubs would be watertight and not just done over the phone given the financial implications. Maybe it’s just not the way in football but in business the words ‘offer’ and ‘acceptance’ mean something in law.
If Akpom wants to talk to Birmingham and accept their offer that is fine but if he is happy to sign for Ipswich it’s highly likely imo that Ajax would be very out of line in stopping it. So much so Ashton might be able to sue Ajax. Probable Ipswich have their lawyers writing Ajax a letter informing them of this.
Or maybe football is pretty amateur really and nothing is watertight. |
Been done on other threads, but essentially the deal isn't done until the deal is done. Some people have thought's about it being bad form, not in good faith, etc... However, pretty sure it's all legal and within their rights though. Not sure you can sue them for changing their mind before anything is exchanged. | | | |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:49 - Aug 5 with 738 views | J2BLUE |
I hope we get him but it would be amusing to check their forum if I could be bothered. I'm sure they've 180'd on their previous criticisms, for the moment at least. |  |
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| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:54 - Aug 5 with 699 views | Horsham |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:47 - Aug 5 by Kievthegreat |
Been done on other threads, but essentially the deal isn't done until the deal is done. Some people have thought's about it being bad form, not in good faith, etc... However, pretty sure it's all legal and within their rights though. Not sure you can sue them for changing their mind before anything is exchanged. |
It depends on the wording in both the offer and acceptance. In other businesses where high value trades are made people are very careful to get this stuff right in order to avoid litigation. Trading isn’t my game but have had some/ a little involvement on the legal side. This is trading after all surely. | | | |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:58 - Aug 5 with 670 views | Kievthegreat |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 21:49 - Aug 5 by J2BLUE |
I hope we get him but it would be amusing to check their forum if I could be bothered. I'm sure they've 180'd on their previous criticisms, for the moment at least. |
Not particularly., plenty hesitant about it having already picked Town, some think it's just trying to drive up the price.
Some think it's their owners/CEO swinging their trouser snakes around and showing they're the big dogs and won't be messed with. Bless, they obviously aren't aware of Ashton and his cooking oil. | | | |
| Yep, the tendency.... on 21:58 - Aug 5 with 662 views | Rozz |
| Yep, the tendency.... on 21:44 - Aug 5 by Kievthegreat |
I think the only thing I'd add is that he still has 3 years on his current deal at Ajax. Moving to Birmingham is only more security in the fact that they want him and Ajax don't. There isn't any extra financial security if they only offer 3 years at a reduced wage. |
Thanks, I didn’t know the details of his current deal. Even easier to see why the prerogatives of club and player differ on this!
He’ll want to protect his current wage. His best way to do this is via a loan and securing a prem contract at first time of asking.
It’s easy to see how we could write that off if we’re promoted even if we don’t think he’ll step up. The permanent deal is a lot of exposure, so I don’t think we’ll be comfortable matching it.
Ajax will know the pressure to tie this up for Friday and will be trying to coax a permanent switch out of us. [Post edited 5 Aug 21:59]
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| You're missing the point though..... on 08:46 - Aug 6 with 447 views | tractorboy1978 |
| You're missing the point though..... on 19:46 - Aug 5 by Kieran_Knows |
… not also taking in to account that Ajax would no doubt give him half the £6m fee as a gesture to sign for Brum, as well as him securing himself a 3 year contract on decent money, rather than a year which ‘might’ lead to a 3 year deal should we get promoted.
If Brum are still making an offer for him it’s because he’s still happy to go there. |
Think it's unlikely Ajax would give him anything like that to sign for Birmingham this summer. I don't see that committing to a permanent move anywhere is in Akpom's interests this summer to be honest. 3 years left on a rumoured £50k a week at Ajax which neither us or Birmingham would match as a Championship club?
Come here on loan and either get a PL move at the end (if we go up), impress enough to earn a PL move elsewhere (if we don't) or go back to Ajax on £50k a week next summer. Doubt he wants to get stuck at a Championship club beyond this season. |  | | |
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| You're missing the point though..... on 08:54 - Aug 6 with 386 views | Kieran_Knows |
| You're missing the point though..... on 08:46 - Aug 6 by tractorboy1978 |
Think it's unlikely Ajax would give him anything like that to sign for Birmingham this summer. I don't see that committing to a permanent move anywhere is in Akpom's interests this summer to be honest. 3 years left on a rumoured £50k a week at Ajax which neither us or Birmingham would match as a Championship club?
Come here on loan and either get a PL move at the end (if we go up), impress enough to earn a PL move elsewhere (if we don't) or go back to Ajax on £50k a week next summer. Doubt he wants to get stuck at a Championship club beyond this season. |
I'd be amazed if they didn't to be honest - hence why they're angling for a permanent move instead of a loan. He doesn't 'have' to walk away from his 50k a week wages that they stupidly gave him in the first place, so he could sit it out for 3 years, or be paid off to do so.
£3m over 3 years is 20k a week, so if Ajax have to forego £3m for him to sign at Brum for £25k a week, it'll be worth it in their eyes. |  |
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| You're missing the point though..... on 09:07 - Aug 6 with 275 views | tractorboy1978 |
| You're missing the point though..... on 08:54 - Aug 6 by Kieran_Knows |
I'd be amazed if they didn't to be honest - hence why they're angling for a permanent move instead of a loan. He doesn't 'have' to walk away from his 50k a week wages that they stupidly gave him in the first place, so he could sit it out for 3 years, or be paid off to do so.
£3m over 3 years is 20k a week, so if Ajax have to forego £3m for him to sign at Brum for £25k a week, it'll be worth it in their eyes. |
Are Ajax that desperate for £3m this summer?
From his point of view, I still don't know why he would want to commit to a Championship club this summer even if a deal was worked whereby he isn't out of pocket. He has a chance to keep his options open next summer if his loan club doesn't get promoted with the comfort blanket of a £50k a week contract at Ajax for a further 2 years. | | | |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 09:14 - Aug 6 with 213 views | urbanpenguin |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 19:29 - Aug 5 by gainsboroughblue |
Not as chaotic as approaching a club to sign a player on loan, seeing him prefer to go to a divisional rival, get in a strop and decide they want to buy him instead. I know who's owners/chairman and management I'd rather have.
I suspect it's also partly about not allowing us to strengthen ahead of Friday. They'll probably give less of a feck from Sat. [Post edited 5 Aug 19:31]
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The cynic in me says they're just doing this because it would make a great dramatic plot for an episode of the TV series... |  | | |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 09:21 - Aug 6 with 167 views | baxterbasics |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 19:39 - Aug 5 by SouperJim |
Akpom is highly unlikely to do any more than get a few minutes off the bench for us, even if registered in time, surely? |
Even if available I predict KM would protect Akpom from abuse and/or be diplomatic and start with AAH on the bench instead. |  |
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| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 09:23 - Aug 6 with 142 views | football |
| Got to hand it to Brum, they've played that well. on 09:14 - Aug 6 by urbanpenguin |
The cynic in me says they're just doing this because it would make a great dramatic plot for an episode of the TV series... |
What Brum do it purely for their Amazon series and to keep them in the headlines - never!!! And, possibly delaying so he doesn't play on Friday - which he wont anyway | | | |
| He was literally.... on 09:27 - Aug 6 with 99 views | baxterbasics |
| He was literally.... on 19:41 - Aug 5 by homer_123 |
I think, Chelts, the point is he was happy to go to Brum.
Given the choice, he chose us.
But it's not like he refused Brum. |
It's quite feasible that as he travelled into Birmingham he was looking around thinking "am I really going to commit to living in or around this place? Eff that!" got on the phone to agent quickly "bro, are Ipswich still interested?" | |
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