| We shouldn't let Muric go.. 23:01 - Aug 8 with 3276 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
With the new 8 second rule for goalkeepers its going to be imperative to have a keeper who good with his feet. That is not Palmer or Walton.
Muric should be our no.1 , he the best goalkeeper on the books. Let Walton move on and have Palmer as no2/cup keeper.
We'll regret letting Muric leave if that's what happens |  |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:06 - Aug 9 with 767 views | Ryorry |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:20 - Aug 9 by southnorfolkblue |
Palmer is also prone to daft mistakes. The only difference is that his mistakes haven’t led to any goals yet.
In this division when we can expect more direct play against us and balls being put into the box, Muric is the man best equipped to deal with them imho. He wasn’t in the Championship team of the year a couple of years back for no reason |
Actually, the only difference is Palmer understanding that football is a *team* game, and him therefore bothering to communicate with and register the positioning of the other 10 whose unit he is supposed to be part of. They therefore have far more confidence in him (as does KM), leading to less confusion and nervousness at the back, leading to fewer future goals conceded.
Not to mention the morale sapping deflation of a lead being swiftly wiped out by a Muric Special blooper (though that might have been more applicable to last season, when it was so hard to score in the Prem). |  |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:20 - Aug 9 with 728 views | Ryorry |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:44 - Aug 9 by Horsham |
Yeah but I’m sure we could also find examples of players who did cut errors out - should be where quality coaching and psychology comes into its own.
I’m not saying I know the errors can be cut out but equally have a feeling there’s enough potential upside with Muric for someone to have a gamble on him and get lucky.
I’d want to be pretty sure we can’t realise the upside before we flush an £8m investment down the toilet. |
It’s sometimes just a false economy to keep a player. I trust KM & MA, who after all are the ones who really know what’s going on in the players’ heads and dressing room, to make the right decision. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:41 - Aug 9 with 685 views | GlasgowBlue |
Completely agree. |  |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:42 - Aug 9 with 681 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 01:27 - Aug 9 by StNeotsBlue |
Not having this, he's a liability prone to daft mistakes,his performance against Southampton was the final nail.in the coffin for.us last year.
If KMc decides to play him he'll have my full support but I can't see it happening. |
Palmer has made far more mistakes than Muric but no been punished for them. Our stats with Muric in goal last season are better than with any of the other keepers we used. Fact. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:49 - Aug 9 with 669 views | Herbivore |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:42 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Palmer has made far more mistakes than Muric but no been punished for them. Our stats with Muric in goal last season are better than with any of the other keepers we used. Fact. |
Correlation does not equal causation. Muric was a car crash, seems to have got a lot better in fans' eyes through not playing. |  |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:54 - Aug 9 with 645 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:49 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
Correlation does not equal causation. Muric was a car crash, seems to have got a lot better in fans' eyes through not playing. |
Not at all. I was very critical of Muric. But what we have brought in is worse imo. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:56 - Aug 9 with 641 views | pointofblue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:53 - Aug 9 by Swoody |
The player bashing from some supporters is becoming a real issue, we have done 8 million on a goal keeper who was disliked before he even kicked a ball last year. It seems next up for the hate mob is Jack Clarke lets see if we can destroy his confidence and waste 20 million there too. Why are players getting singled out so much, if the the manager thinks they are good enough we as fans should just get behind the team! |
It's not as though they:re being judged before they've kicked a ball - neither Muric or Clarke have proven they're good enough to take the place of those who got us up in the first place. My mate, who's a Forest fan, sounded the alarm about Muric the moment we signed him but I ignored him. Unfortunately he was proven right. As for Clarke, I think Frimmers has it right - we're not utilising him in the right way. |  |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:57 - Aug 9 with 633 views | BseaBlue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:54 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Not at all. I was very critical of Muric. But what we have brought in is worse imo. |
Im not massively convinced by Palmer either. I know people have said the goalkeeping department is OK but I still don't think it suits how we play. Someone else has started a thread about not playing out from the back and you can't help but feel that this is because we dont have the confidence in Palmer to do what Hladky did. |  | | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:59 - Aug 9 with 627 views | Libero |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:50 - Aug 9 by FromReuserWithLove |
OK chief, you know best. |
Every source coming out of the club is reporting a great atmosphere, but you carry on making stuff up, lad. |  | | |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:14 - Aug 9 with 605 views | Herbivore |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:54 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Not at all. I was very critical of Muric. But what we have brought in is worse imo. |
Can't agree with that. Palmer isn't brilliant but he's solid enough and the defence seem less shaky with him behind them. It's an area we'll need to upgrade if we go back up but Palmer is fine for this level. Muric is definitely not the answer, unless the question is which player has by far the worst major errors to minutes played ratio in the history of the Premier League. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:23 - Aug 9 with 583 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:14 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
Can't agree with that. Palmer isn't brilliant but he's solid enough and the defence seem less shaky with him behind them. It's an area we'll need to upgrade if we go back up but Palmer is fine for this level. Muric is definitely not the answer, unless the question is which player has by far the worst major errors to minutes played ratio in the history of the Premier League. |
When you look at the goals we scored in our promotions season which started with Vas passing out from the back, I think we are completely different team with Palmer. He worked well in a defensively minded Carlos Corberán WBA team but he's not a McKenna keeper in my opinion. Muric, at this level, really should be. [Post edited 9 Aug 12:24]
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:30 - Aug 9 with 557 views | Herbivore |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:23 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
When you look at the goals we scored in our promotions season which started with Vas passing out from the back, I think we are completely different team with Palmer. He worked well in a defensively minded Carlos Corberán WBA team but he's not a McKenna keeper in my opinion. Muric, at this level, really should be. [Post edited 9 Aug 12:24]
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We also had Woolf at the back though, and look how many of our moves involved him. O'Shea is a good defender, but we badly miss Woolf's ability on the ball at the back. It's moot really with Muric as he's on his way out and for me that's the right call. I'd rather have a keeper who's better with his feet but it's not high on my priority list for us, Palmer is adequate which is rather damning with faint praise, but that's what he is imo. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 00:31 - Aug 10 with 469 views | Churchman |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:53 - Aug 9 by Swoody |
The player bashing from some supporters is becoming a real issue, we have done 8 million on a goal keeper who was disliked before he even kicked a ball last year. It seems next up for the hate mob is Jack Clarke lets see if we can destroy his confidence and waste 20 million there too. Why are players getting singled out so much, if the the manager thinks they are good enough we as fans should just get behind the team! |
I agree. I think it’s because the haters see that it works. Muric, AAH you name it. If dismals think they can make their mark by destroying a player they will. Think of the relish with which they pile in.
I’ve not seen hate and abuse to this level ever on TWTD - even during Evans’ time. Why if you were a player would you want to be here or come here for that? I wouldn’t. And don’t tell me it’s the same everywhere until you post evidence that a player’s father had to intervene to ask our so called great support to leave his son alone. And that’s before the hate really cranked up.
Perhaps the bedsheet cadre can explain why it’s ok for Cajuste to hang around to explore his options but not Philogene. Perhaps they can explain why it’s Jack Clarke’s fault that the club paid a lot of money for him and they, in their infinite wisdom and FM 25 expertise, know he’s worse than whoever. And also how abusing the bloke is going to help?
What underpins this is a total loss of faith by the chaos brigade in McKenna, Ashton and the owners. Obviously, recruiting on FM and Fantasy Football is easy. Why can’t these idiots get the job done?
This club feels like it’s unravelling. Players clearly want out (I don’t blame them), owners who are quiet and supporters are distancing themselves from the team and management. Questioning everything, criticising everything, accepting nothing.
Well, your dreams may come true. Ownership may cash in their profits, Ashton move on after the lengthy CEO spell of four years while his stock is high and McKenna to something better. On the latter I think come what may he’ll be gone by October - to the immense joy of the dimwits.
If this pessimistic scenario happens, we will be back to L1 crisis mode before you know it and maybe the hate brigade will realise what’s gone. Maybe not.
This forum which can be interesting fun and supportive but on the football front too toxic for me. Time for another break. Btw, I looked it up - we didn’t lose on Friday. |  | | |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 09:56 - Aug 10 with 362 views | southnorfolkblue |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 00:31 - Aug 10 by Churchman |
I agree. I think it’s because the haters see that it works. Muric, AAH you name it. If dismals think they can make their mark by destroying a player they will. Think of the relish with which they pile in.
I’ve not seen hate and abuse to this level ever on TWTD - even during Evans’ time. Why if you were a player would you want to be here or come here for that? I wouldn’t. And don’t tell me it’s the same everywhere until you post evidence that a player’s father had to intervene to ask our so called great support to leave his son alone. And that’s before the hate really cranked up.
Perhaps the bedsheet cadre can explain why it’s ok for Cajuste to hang around to explore his options but not Philogene. Perhaps they can explain why it’s Jack Clarke’s fault that the club paid a lot of money for him and they, in their infinite wisdom and FM 25 expertise, know he’s worse than whoever. And also how abusing the bloke is going to help?
What underpins this is a total loss of faith by the chaos brigade in McKenna, Ashton and the owners. Obviously, recruiting on FM and Fantasy Football is easy. Why can’t these idiots get the job done?
This club feels like it’s unravelling. Players clearly want out (I don’t blame them), owners who are quiet and supporters are distancing themselves from the team and management. Questioning everything, criticising everything, accepting nothing.
Well, your dreams may come true. Ownership may cash in their profits, Ashton move on after the lengthy CEO spell of four years while his stock is high and McKenna to something better. On the latter I think come what may he’ll be gone by October - to the immense joy of the dimwits.
If this pessimistic scenario happens, we will be back to L1 crisis mode before you know it and maybe the hate brigade will realise what’s gone. Maybe not.
This forum which can be interesting fun and supportive but on the football front too toxic for me. Time for another break. Btw, I looked it up - we didn’t lose on Friday. |
I think you’re being a bit overreactive tbh. I don’t think it’s got anything to do with a complete loss of face in the management. For as long as I can remember football fans have “always known best”. It’s just that the age of social media gives everyone a wider platform to share their opinions.
I’m totally with you in the dislike of the way in which certain players are made scapegoats but it’s just the way of the world and will be exactly the same whichever clubs fans forums you decide to look at. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:09 - Aug 10 with 336 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:59 - Aug 9 by Libero |
Every source coming out of the club is reporting a great atmosphere, but you carry on making stuff up, lad. |
What did I say that was wrong? I didn’t purport it as fact just my concern/opinion. You just don’t need much of an invitation to come at someone with an obnoxious ‘witty’ response. Not necessary. It’s fine to disagree but no need to be a prick in humble opinion.
Peace and godspeed to you. |  | | |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:43 - Aug 10 with 280 views | Libero |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:09 - Aug 10 by FromReuserWithLove |
What did I say that was wrong? I didn’t purport it as fact just my concern/opinion. You just don’t need much of an invitation to come at someone with an obnoxious ‘witty’ response. Not necessary. It’s fine to disagree but no need to be a prick in humble opinion.
Peace and godspeed to you. |
“I feel there are some bad vibes” coming from you. [Post edited 10 Aug 10:45]
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:59 - Aug 10 with 242 views | CobboldCrusty |
I think Muric has some fundamental flaws to his play as well as goalkeeping that I've commented on at length elsewhere
however I think these can be coached out of him
I am secretly hoping we fail to sell him |  | | |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:15 - Aug 10 with 217 views | Ryorry |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 10:59 - Aug 10 by CobboldCrusty |
I think Muric has some fundamental flaws to his play as well as goalkeeping that I've commented on at length elsewhere
however I think these can be coached out of him
I am secretly hoping we fail to sell him |
We’ve had a whole season to ‘coach the flaws out of him’ and failed.
Really don’t understand some people being so unwilling to believe the evidence of their own eyes (or those of KM, coaching staff, and regularly starting players). | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:43 - Aug 10 with 173 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:15 - Aug 10 by Ryorry |
We’ve had a whole season to ‘coach the flaws out of him’ and failed.
Really don’t understand some people being so unwilling to believe the evidence of their own eyes (or those of KM, coaching staff, and regularly starting players). |
No one has seen Muric in a competitive match for 8 months. Who knows what work has been done with him or not? | | | |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:49 - Aug 10 with 158 views | DJR |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:43 - Aug 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
No one has seen Muric in a competitive match for 8 months. Who knows what work has been done with him or not? |
He did play in the Southampton game in February, and I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his two mistakes that day were the final straw for me.
https://www.skysports.com/football/ipswich-vs-southampton/report/506042
Ipswich 1-2 Southampton: Aro Muric errors help Southampton to victory at relegation rivals Ipswich [Post edited 10 Aug 11:50]
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:53 - Aug 10 with 151 views | Ryorry |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 11:43 - Aug 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
No one has seen Muric in a competitive match for 8 months. Who knows what work has been done with him or not? |
KM, the coaching staff, other players in training games is sufficient for me. | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:16 - Aug 10 with 107 views | Ryorry |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:05 - Aug 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
ok, it's a little over 7 months if you're picky about it 
My point was in response to having a full season to 'get him right' - it was closer to half a season, and we've not seen him for most of half a season. That's just a fact. I'm not saying anything has been achieved in that time, but the point is we don't know. If (and I actually think it's very unlikely) McKenna saw improvement, and decided to give him another chance, then we should trust him. If he doesn't, then time to move on. |
If KM saw an improvement/ trusted him, he’d have been on the bench last night. He wasn’t.
Thought there had already been hints from the club that he’d be off if an offer came in for him anyway (might be wrong as I don’t keep up much with transfer news). | |
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| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:18 - Aug 10 with 92 views | DJR |
| We shouldn't let Muric go.. on 12:05 - Aug 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
ok, it's a little over 7 months if you're picky about it
My point was in response to having a full season to 'get him right' - it was closer to half a season, and we've not seen him for most of half a season. That's just a fact. I'm not saying anything has been achieved in that time, but the point is we don't know. If (and I actually think it's very unlikely) McKenna saw improvement, and decided to give him another chance, then we should trust him. If he doesn't, then time to move on. |
Sorry. I hadn't followed the whole thread. | | | |
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