| Protests in Norwich already 12:18 - Aug 10 with 3819 views | Mullet |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 17:01 - Aug 10 with 590 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Protests in Norwich already on 14:27 - Aug 10 by The_Major |
Coming up to the 30th anniversary of me living in Nodge, and I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the vast majority of the mouth breathers who will be protesting in Nodge won’t even be from here themselves.
It’s always seemed to me to be a pretty harmonious welcoming place (I mean, they’ve tolerated me all this time, football allegiances and all), and is a pretty progressive place overall – no Reform or even Tory city councillors, strong support for the arts, one of the biggest Pride Days outside of London – plus there are hundreds of youngsters from overseas who go to the UEA and the City College. You can walk down St Stephens Street and hear about 17 different languages sometimes, nobody bats an eyelid in general.
The very first night after the Brexit vote, some scrote went to a shop in Magdalen Street run by a Romanian family, and stuck a bunch of rags that they’d set alight through the letterbox – the family lived in the flat above the shop, and included small children. They escaped unhurt, but there was a lot of damage to their shop. Friends of the family set up a local appeal just to raise £500 to help them get by for a couple of weeks, and within twelve hours or so, it had raised about £30k. Hardly the actions of a community that is anti-immigrant.
I don’t deny that once you get outside the city, some places, particularly towards North Walsham are a mixture of Westeros and Hazzard County, but by and large it’s OK here.
But of course, it’s a question of people coming in to wind things up – these people, along with parts of the media are absolutely desperate to see things kick off like they did last year – you’ve only got to look at what that despicable individual Jenrick is saying on the front of the Daily Blackshirts this very morning to see that. And yet, you know that if, God forbid, something did happen, and one of these hotels were burnt to the ground with people inside, not one, not a single one of these inadequate, cowardly, pathetic creatures who are the ring leaders will take a shred of responsibility. They never do.
You have the case of Rupert Lowe getting worked up that a small boat was heading for the Great Yarmouth beach, but he either lacked the intelligence to think that given the treacherous conditions that an overloaded dinghy faces on just travelling 25 miles or so across the Strait of Dover, it would be unlikely that it went north from Calais to travel about 150 miles instead to head for the Britannia Pier, or he knew damned well that was the case, and raised the alarm to wind people up.
Lowe is nothing more than a treacherous little runt (and I’m sure if you had a chat with some Southampton fans next week, they’d be less then complimentary), but is indulged by the media, so the chances of him shutting the hell up is pretty remote.
Immigration needs to be controlled, I don’t deny that – but people need to wake up, and realise that the vast majority of problems in this country, not to mention the world are caused by billionaires wanting to become even richer, and not by some poor soul willing to risk life and limb on a sea journey – but obviously they’re here to take all the jobs AND all the benefits apparently.
Last thing, a shout out to the moron filmed at a protest yesterday, waving the flags, “concerned” about women and children, and saying that the only hope for the country was the US to take over and make us the 51st state.
So, let me get this straight, oh great patriot, you want us to be ruled by another state, currently led by someone who’s attitude to women isn’t exactly great, and is alleged to have been involved in, or at the very least was aware of, the trafficking of minors.
Righto. |
To be fair on the people of Norwich, if this is fairly widely known about I would expect a larger counter-demonstration than the demo itself. |  |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 17:28 - Aug 10 with 543 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 16:38 - Aug 10 by CoachRob |
Are you the account that sounds like an aggregator of City AM and The Economist? Do you have any of your own material/research? [Post edited 10 Aug 16:43]
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I believe that’s me boss, yes.
In terms of my own research/experience -I have 17 years of capital markets experience and co founded my own investment firm 2 years ago.
Please provide a synopsis of your experience/research sources and we can have a good old fashioned showdown! Pistols at Dawn type thing. |  | | |
| Protests in Norwich already on 17:31 - Aug 10 with 531 views | Mullet |
| Protests in Norwich already on 17:28 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
I believe that’s me boss, yes.
In terms of my own research/experience -I have 17 years of capital markets experience and co founded my own investment firm 2 years ago.
Please provide a synopsis of your experience/research sources and we can have a good old fashioned showdown! Pistols at Dawn type thing. |
Who’s Dawn and what has she done? | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 17:33 - Aug 10 with 509 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 16:57 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
He's not happy about me having a pop at the super rich and how immigration is often used as a convenient smokescreen to hide the fact that the super rich keep extracting wealth from the country while everyone else struggles. He works in private banking so is part of the top few percent for whom modern capitalism is actually working and he's a shill for those at the very top of the food chain, so it's no surprise to see him wanting to preserve the status quo and reacting negatively to anyone questioning it. |
All the greatest hits in there. | | | |
| Protests in Norwich already on 17:35 - Aug 10 with 496 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 17:31 - Aug 10 by Mullet |
Who’s Dawn and what has she done? |
She made me watch a full hour of Gary Stevenson’s YouTube channel.
Never forgiven her. Never will. [Post edited 10 Aug 18:10]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 17:40 - Aug 10 with 485 views | The_Major |
| Protests in Norwich already on 17:01 - Aug 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair on the people of Norwich, if this is fairly widely known about I would expect a larger counter-demonstration than the demo itself. |
Could well be to be fair.
About 15 years ago, the EDL showed up in the city and were outnumbered heavily by the counter demo. Went on the counter demo myself, with late grandfather's WW2 medals in pocket - reasoned that if he was willing to put his life on the line to punch Nazis, me standing behind a police cordon with 1500 other people to let Poundland fascists know we weren't going to stand for their crap in our patch was really a minor effort.
https://www.networknorwich.co.uk/Publisher/ArticlePrintable.aspx?id=333373 [Post edited 10 Aug 17:40]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 19:18 - Aug 10 with 396 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Boooo. She blocked me.
Still, fun whilst it lasted. |  |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 19:22 - Aug 10 with 387 views | pointofblue |
| Protests in Norwich already on 15:57 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Was quite funny actually.
Will give you an uppie myself.
Doesn’t make your views any less infantile though. |
I am interested to know why you feel the views are infantile? I mean, I know the super rich will close ranks so it'll be very difficult to implement any policy which results in Robin Hood favoured movement from the rich to the poor. But the philosophy itself seems sound? | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 19:37 - Aug 10 with 369 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:22 - Aug 10 by pointofblue |
I am interested to know why you feel the views are infantile? I mean, I know the super rich will close ranks so it'll be very difficult to implement any policy which results in Robin Hood favoured movement from the rich to the poor. But the philosophy itself seems sound? |
Because t’s nothing to do with the super rich because economics doesn’t work like that and isn’t a zero-sum game (albeit Gary would have you believe otherwise).
Herby is basically quoting Gary Stevenson verbatim. I actually had a lot of time for Gary’s views at first but, like Farage, he’s realised there’s money to be made building a little media empire spouting half-truths and misleading rhetoric to the economically less informed. He even uses the same language as Farage, just swapping “immigrants” for “rich people.” You can't buy a house because rich people have them all...er, ok.
What I object to most is the nonsense populist slogans and easy villains instead of understanding the plumbing. When the UK issues gilts, investors — often pension funds and insurers that ordinary workers are members of — hand the Treasury the principal up front. That money is already here and already spent.
If services are still failing after that, the problem isn’t some shadowy cabal hoarding it — we have it, and Herby (and every other person with a pension) benefits to some degree, given ~40% of gilts are held by pension funds and insurers.
So the answer as to who has the money is us FFS! | | | |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:44 - Aug 10 with 351 views | pointofblue |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:37 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Because t’s nothing to do with the super rich because economics doesn’t work like that and isn’t a zero-sum game (albeit Gary would have you believe otherwise).
Herby is basically quoting Gary Stevenson verbatim. I actually had a lot of time for Gary’s views at first but, like Farage, he’s realised there’s money to be made building a little media empire spouting half-truths and misleading rhetoric to the economically less informed. He even uses the same language as Farage, just swapping “immigrants” for “rich people.” You can't buy a house because rich people have them all...er, ok.
What I object to most is the nonsense populist slogans and easy villains instead of understanding the plumbing. When the UK issues gilts, investors — often pension funds and insurers that ordinary workers are members of — hand the Treasury the principal up front. That money is already here and already spent.
If services are still failing after that, the problem isn’t some shadowy cabal hoarding it — we have it, and Herby (and every other person with a pension) benefits to some degree, given ~40% of gilts are held by pension funds and insurers.
So the answer as to who has the money is us FFS! |
Thank you for your answer.
As I understand it, British government income for 2024/35 was projected to be £1.1bn. Elon Musk alone is worth $400bn. Whilst there may be difficulties in how to redistribute, it can be argued there's more than enough money but it's in the hands of the few? | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 19:45 - Aug 10 with 349 views | mutters |
I havent looked at the tweet, as I can't be bothered to go to that cess pit, so apols if i have got it wrong. My only comment would be that it's good to see such a diverse picture on display.
Am I correct that I don't need to investigate further to get the general gist of what they are on about? |  |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:13 - Aug 10 with 321 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:44 - Aug 10 by pointofblue |
Thank you for your answer.
As I understand it, British government income for 2024/35 was projected to be £1.1bn. Elon Musk alone is worth $400bn. Whilst there may be difficulties in how to redistribute, it can be argued there's more than enough money but it's in the hands of the few? |
1.1bn?! Strongly suspect you’ve missed a zero off there chief.
But to be clear, you’re suggesting Musk, a South African living in America, should be forced by the uk govt to liquidate a large chuck of his Tesla shares to top up our national income?
I’m assuming also you realise almost all of that net worth is in Tesla stock and not just sat in a bank account?! [Post edited 10 Aug 20:31]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:32 - Aug 10 with 283 views | pointofblue |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:13 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
1.1bn?! Strongly suspect you’ve missed a zero off there chief.
But to be clear, you’re suggesting Musk, a South African living in America, should be forced by the uk govt to liquidate a large chuck of his Tesla shares to top up our national income?
I’m assuming also you realise almost all of that net worth is in Tesla stock and not just sat in a bank account?! [Post edited 10 Aug 20:31]
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No, not directly. But via taxation, particularly on the richest companies, of which Tesla is one, via profits made into his country. The most famous of these is Starbucks, of course.
They also need to look into tax evasion, something which has been severely neglected since austerity took hold. The Public Accounts Committee advised they thought £5.5bn was an under-estimated amount in February.
The biggest issue in the world, for me, at the moment is financial inequality and stashed wealth. And people emigrating to the richer European countries is another example of this. In favour of the super rich, the question now being asked is "Why can't they stay where they were born?" rather than "Why do they feel the need to make such a treacherous journey?"
Edit: I did miss a zero.  [Post edited 10 Aug 20:32]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:37 - Aug 10 with 265 views | NthQldITFC |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:37 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Because t’s nothing to do with the super rich because economics doesn’t work like that and isn’t a zero-sum game (albeit Gary would have you believe otherwise).
Herby is basically quoting Gary Stevenson verbatim. I actually had a lot of time for Gary’s views at first but, like Farage, he’s realised there’s money to be made building a little media empire spouting half-truths and misleading rhetoric to the economically less informed. He even uses the same language as Farage, just swapping “immigrants” for “rich people.” You can't buy a house because rich people have them all...er, ok.
What I object to most is the nonsense populist slogans and easy villains instead of understanding the plumbing. When the UK issues gilts, investors — often pension funds and insurers that ordinary workers are members of — hand the Treasury the principal up front. That money is already here and already spent.
If services are still failing after that, the problem isn’t some shadowy cabal hoarding it — we have it, and Herby (and every other person with a pension) benefits to some degree, given ~40% of gilts are held by pension funds and insurers.
So the answer as to who has the money is us FFS! |
I'd suggest you're hiding away in the detail of how the established, corrupt economic system works (and is increasingly geared to funnel wealth upwards) and trying to avoid the fundamental underlying truth of systematic exploitation and inequality which, let's face it, are blindingly and inescapably obvious to everyone. [Post edited 10 Aug 20:39]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:42 - Aug 10 with 236 views | Herbivore |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:37 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Because t’s nothing to do with the super rich because economics doesn’t work like that and isn’t a zero-sum game (albeit Gary would have you believe otherwise).
Herby is basically quoting Gary Stevenson verbatim. I actually had a lot of time for Gary’s views at first but, like Farage, he’s realised there’s money to be made building a little media empire spouting half-truths and misleading rhetoric to the economically less informed. He even uses the same language as Farage, just swapping “immigrants” for “rich people.” You can't buy a house because rich people have them all...er, ok.
What I object to most is the nonsense populist slogans and easy villains instead of understanding the plumbing. When the UK issues gilts, investors — often pension funds and insurers that ordinary workers are members of — hand the Treasury the principal up front. That money is already here and already spent.
If services are still failing after that, the problem isn’t some shadowy cabal hoarding it — we have it, and Herby (and every other person with a pension) benefits to some degree, given ~40% of gilts are held by pension funds and insurers.
So the answer as to who has the money is us FFS! |
We don't all get our opinions from YouTube, mate. You seem obsessed with this Gary character, I don't know who that is.
Your take on who has the money sounds great, we all get a fair share of the wealth? Brilliant! All of those stats about the top few percent owning most of the wealth must be made up then I guess. |  |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:44 - Aug 10 with 229 views | Herbivore |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:37 - Aug 10 by NthQldITFC |
I'd suggest you're hiding away in the detail of how the established, corrupt economic system works (and is increasingly geared to funnel wealth upwards) and trying to avoid the fundamental underlying truth of systematic exploitation and inequality which, let's face it, are blindingly and inescapably obvious to everyone. [Post edited 10 Aug 20:39]
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Perfectly summed up. Shill's gonna shill, I guess. | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:47 - Aug 10 with 220 views | Mullet |
| Protests in Norwich already on 19:37 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Because t’s nothing to do with the super rich because economics doesn’t work like that and isn’t a zero-sum game (albeit Gary would have you believe otherwise).
Herby is basically quoting Gary Stevenson verbatim. I actually had a lot of time for Gary’s views at first but, like Farage, he’s realised there’s money to be made building a little media empire spouting half-truths and misleading rhetoric to the economically less informed. He even uses the same language as Farage, just swapping “immigrants” for “rich people.” You can't buy a house because rich people have them all...er, ok.
What I object to most is the nonsense populist slogans and easy villains instead of understanding the plumbing. When the UK issues gilts, investors — often pension funds and insurers that ordinary workers are members of — hand the Treasury the principal up front. That money is already here and already spent.
If services are still failing after that, the problem isn’t some shadowy cabal hoarding it — we have it, and Herby (and every other person with a pension) benefits to some degree, given ~40% of gilts are held by pension funds and insurers.
So the answer as to who has the money is us FFS! |
Say we could recoup even 50% of the £12 odd billion lost to tax evasion and avoidance, wouldn't that be a boost to the economy? Doesn't it suggest that it's the tip of an iceberg which is the machinations of the super rich inside and outside of our economy?
Dismissing it like that isn't honest either is it? | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 20:58 - Aug 10 with 189 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:47 - Aug 10 by Mullet |
Say we could recoup even 50% of the £12 odd billion lost to tax evasion and avoidance, wouldn't that be a boost to the economy? Doesn't it suggest that it's the tip of an iceberg which is the machinations of the super rich inside and outside of our economy?
Dismissing it like that isn't honest either is it? |
I agree on tax evasion and a huge part of my job is daily monitoring of my clients for this kind of thing.
Avoidance albeit optically unpalatable for many I think is necessary given the scrapping of these schemes will lead to a capital flight. And already is, albeit this debate has been had on here many times and isn’t worth going into again at 9pm on a Sunday.
Would also add to this - I’ve been in my field for 17 years and must have had about 200 odd clients in that period. In that time I’ve come across two cases of Tax evasion where we reported the clients to the NCA. I don’t know how indicative of the wider industry that is but it would be fair to say in my experience, 99% of my clients were not tax evaders (or that I know of at least) [Post edited 10 Aug 21:14]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 21:11 - Aug 10 with 151 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:37 - Aug 10 by NthQldITFC |
I'd suggest you're hiding away in the detail of how the established, corrupt economic system works (and is increasingly geared to funnel wealth upwards) and trying to avoid the fundamental underlying truth of systematic exploitation and inequality which, let's face it, are blindingly and inescapably obvious to everyone. [Post edited 10 Aug 20:39]
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Quite! Those bloody facts and details, always getting in the way of a good bit of rhetoric. | | | |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:29 - Aug 10 with 125 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:42 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
We don't all get our opinions from YouTube, mate. You seem obsessed with this Gary character, I don't know who that is.
Your take on who has the money sounds great, we all get a fair share of the wealth? Brilliant! All of those stats about the top few percent owning most of the wealth must be made up then I guess. |
So to be clear you’re saying that when a government issues debt, instead of receiving the principal payment from the buyer to help them fund public services etc, that money in fact goes to wealthy private individuals - meaning the government just ends up paying interest on money they never received?!
And if you’re unhappy about how those funds are allocated, suggest you speak to your local MP.
As ever, been a pleasure Herby. Have a nice evening. [Post edited 10 Aug 21:30]
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| Protests in Norwich already on 21:32 - Aug 10 with 105 views | NthQldITFC |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:11 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Quite! Those bloody facts and details, always getting in the way of a good bit of rhetoric. |
I can only repeat what I already said to you in the hope that maybe you'll be able to see beyond the way the corrupt and failing system 'works'. I live in hope, forlorn maybe, but hope. Good luck. | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 21:45 - Aug 10 with 79 views | nrb1985 |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:32 - Aug 10 by NthQldITFC |
I can only repeat what I already said to you in the hope that maybe you'll be able to see beyond the way the corrupt and failing system 'works'. I live in hope, forlorn maybe, but hope. Good luck. |
Won’t be me that needs luck Boyo but thanks anyway.
But glad to know it’s a shadowy cabal and corrupt system to blame for our current woes.
Like an idiot I had attributed it to, a once in a generation biblical financial Crisis, needlessly harsh austerity by a bunch of eatonian clowns,, the lunacy that was brexit and then a once in a hundred year pandemic.
Good to understand though it was in fact none of these and in fact a system designed by a cabal living in a hollowed out volcano somewhere.
Good luck son. | | | |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:46 - Aug 10 with 77 views | Herbivore |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:29 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
So to be clear you’re saying that when a government issues debt, instead of receiving the principal payment from the buyer to help them fund public services etc, that money in fact goes to wealthy private individuals - meaning the government just ends up paying interest on money they never received?!
And if you’re unhappy about how those funds are allocated, suggest you speak to your local MP.
As ever, been a pleasure Herby. Have a nice evening. [Post edited 10 Aug 21:30]
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No, that's not what I'm saying. It hasn't been a pleasure for me, sadly. It's been rather tedious. | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 21:56 - Aug 10 with 56 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Protests in Norwich already on 20:58 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
I agree on tax evasion and a huge part of my job is daily monitoring of my clients for this kind of thing.
Avoidance albeit optically unpalatable for many I think is necessary given the scrapping of these schemes will lead to a capital flight. And already is, albeit this debate has been had on here many times and isn’t worth going into again at 9pm on a Sunday.
Would also add to this - I’ve been in my field for 17 years and must have had about 200 odd clients in that period. In that time I’ve come across two cases of Tax evasion where we reported the clients to the NCA. I don’t know how indicative of the wider industry that is but it would be fair to say in my experience, 99% of my clients were not tax evaders (or that I know of at least) [Post edited 10 Aug 21:14]
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I think we need to close the legal loopholes that allow the super-rich to pay accountants to ensure they pay very little tax. There are plenty of schemes that are designed to allow this. This would provide a lot to fund public services without needing to raise taxation levels, increase Government borrowing or blame immigrants for all our economic woes.
Ensuring illegal tax evasion is recouped as well goes hand-in-hand with this.
Unfortunately the richest are very good at claiming this just isn't possible and it is fairer for the less well-off to pay the burden. Look at the scaremongering over inheritance tax changes that would only actually affect those who are worth well over £1M but people nowhere near that bracket fear it. | |
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| Protests in Norwich already on 22:26 - Aug 10 with 19 views | NthQldITFC |
| Protests in Norwich already on 21:45 - Aug 10 by nrb1985 |
Won’t be me that needs luck Boyo but thanks anyway.
But glad to know it’s a shadowy cabal and corrupt system to blame for our current woes.
Like an idiot I had attributed it to, a once in a generation biblical financial Crisis, needlessly harsh austerity by a bunch of eatonian clowns,, the lunacy that was brexit and then a once in a hundred year pandemic.
Good to understand though it was in fact none of these and in fact a system designed by a cabal living in a hollowed out volcano somewhere.
Good luck son. |
You make I laugh! | |
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