| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think 09:42 - Aug 15 with 544 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Opening bid: Return of Alaska, in return for the Donbas?
Then sell the Donbas to the Ukraine in return for US access to all minerals on Ukranian soil and $7trillion, followed by a trade agreement between the US and Russia. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:44 - Aug 15 with 523 views | ElderGrizzly |
They’ve already said they are going to offer mineral rights to Putin in Alaska.
So Putin invades a sovereign nation and he gets extra business as a reward.
Art of the deal there Donald 😂 |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:48 - Aug 15 with 498 views | WD19 |
I can’t see any outcome other than Trump deciding that it is a fantastic deal for Ukraine to give away all of the territory that Russia has already stolen……and then be mad at Zelenskyy for not immediately agreeing with him.
Amongst the lowlights so far we have already had criticism that Zelensky ‘started’ the war without constitutional approval so it is therefore ridiculous that he might need constitutional approval to cede sovereign territory.
Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:54 - Aug 15 with 471 views | BlueBadger |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:44 - Aug 15 by ElderGrizzly |
They’ve already said they are going to offer mineral rights to Putin in Alaska.
So Putin invades a sovereign nation and he gets extra business as a reward.
Art of the deal there Donald 😂 |
Lest we forget, not only does Trumpy-wumpy not want to see the Epstein dossier hit the public eye, neither does he want Vlad's pictures of his alleged puddle party in Moscow to hit the public eye. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:58 - Aug 15 with 463 views | EuanTown |
Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all. The needle returns to the start of the song and we all dance along like before. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:58 - Aug 15 with 463 views | BarcaBlue |
One of my main concerns is that Trump is prioritising a Nobel Peace Prize over all else. As always he's going to make it all about him and not any fair resolutions for Ukraine.
I also get the feeling that Putin is the man Trump would love to be, concessions from the Russian side are likely to be slight and probably not worth the paper they're written on. Trump will come home waving a meaningless piece of paper claiming peace in our time and the give the Norwegian minister another call. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:04 - Aug 15 with 432 views | J2BLUE |
It's a delaying tactic by Putin. He is not going to 'make a deal' when they are gaining ground.
He is going to play Trump and get a load of concessions/economic deals for vague promises which won't come off. Putin will probably have the Russian military launch the biggest bombardment of the war as soon as he gets home just to publicly show how pathetic Trump is.
'Strongman' Trump will come out of the meeting like he's been brainwashed parroting Russian propaganda. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:07 - Aug 15 with 418 views | Herbivore |
Can't see this ending well. Putin has been playing Trump like a fiddle for years. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:08 - Aug 15 with 413 views | SomethingBlue |
Won't go anywhere. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:10 - Aug 15 with 408 views | Trequartista |
At least there are presidential negotiations which is more than what the last administration managed, but alas I can't see any deal occurring and I reckon he'll eventually go down the sanctions and indirect sanctions route.
Some commentators are pretending not to know what he means by land-swaps with Ukraine not presently occupying any Russian territory, but I think it's plain he means swapping land currently occupied, for example Russia have the whole of the Donbas and give up Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. That's not great for Ukraine but that would be better than losing it with thousands more dead. But I don't think Putin will even go for that, he's so far shown he's happy to make painfully slow gains with the loss of thousands of his own. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:10]
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:14 - Aug 15 with 375 views | Bluesky |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:04 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
It's a delaying tactic by Putin. He is not going to 'make a deal' when they are gaining ground.
He is going to play Trump and get a load of concessions/economic deals for vague promises which won't come off. Putin will probably have the Russian military launch the biggest bombardment of the war as soon as he gets home just to publicly show how pathetic Trump is.
'Strongman' Trump will come out of the meeting like he's been brainwashed parroting Russian propaganda. |
I meant an uppy cos you nailed it. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:27 - Aug 15 with 336 views | Guthrum |
Vance is currently out of the way, so it's unlikely to be a public row followed by nuclear war.
I suspect that whatever is decided today will be irrelevant (so far as Trump is concerned) by next week when little changes on the ground in Ukraine - or the sky overhead.
I think that Trump will be wanting something concrete from the Russians and will not be happy with mere platitudes followed by no action. He doesn't like being denied, nor is he happy at the insinuation he has been hoodwinked by Putin.
People cite the Helsinki meeting as evidence that Trump will just side with Putin. However, that was over the matter of Russian election interference in 2016 - something which touched directly upon the US President's interests. This matter is rather different and the outcome less certain. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:31 - Aug 15 with 312 views | Blueschev |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:10 - Aug 15 by Trequartista |
At least there are presidential negotiations which is more than what the last administration managed, but alas I can't see any deal occurring and I reckon he'll eventually go down the sanctions and indirect sanctions route.
Some commentators are pretending not to know what he means by land-swaps with Ukraine not presently occupying any Russian territory, but I think it's plain he means swapping land currently occupied, for example Russia have the whole of the Donbas and give up Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. That's not great for Ukraine but that would be better than losing it with thousands more dead. But I don't think Putin will even go for that, he's so far shown he's happy to make painfully slow gains with the loss of thousands of his own. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:10]
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My guess would be that Putin needs an out of what is a blood soaked and costly stalemate. I doubt that the Russian population will continue to tolerate thousands of troops dying in what is a conflict of choice indefinitely, and he will look back nervously to what happened to the Soviet Union after the debacle in Afghanistan.
If Putin can keep hold of certain territories and secure reassurances regarding Ukraine and NATO membership, he can spin what has been a largely disastrous campaign as mission accomplished, and Trump can spin it at as all his idea. It would be a win win for two awful human beings. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:34 - Aug 15 with 295 views | Guthrum |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:04 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
It's a delaying tactic by Putin. He is not going to 'make a deal' when they are gaining ground.
He is going to play Trump and get a load of concessions/economic deals for vague promises which won't come off. Putin will probably have the Russian military launch the biggest bombardment of the war as soon as he gets home just to publicly show how pathetic Trump is.
'Strongman' Trump will come out of the meeting like he's been brainwashed parroting Russian propaganda. |
They are barely gaining ground, tho. The Russians are advancing at a pace which makes even the most grinding WWI offensives look like Blitzkrieg. Given the numbers deployed, casualty rates are plausibly higher than the former, too. | |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:56 - Aug 15 with 258 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
The US is the biggest oil and gas producer in the world - sacrificing Alaska with its vast reserves, as well as bringing vast amounts of Russian production back to the market whilst crude prices are so low, would be the worst deal for the US in the history of bad deals. | | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:59 - Aug 15 with 225 views | Pinewoodblue |
Putin knows how to manipulate Trump like a puppet in a string.
There is no common ground between Russia & Ukraine on which to build . Putin doesn’t want Ukraine to exist, Zelinsky is not in a position to compromise he cannot offer to surrender territory .
Looking at the strength of the Russian delegation it will be more about trade, removing sanction and, I suspect, an offer to negotiate a new nuclear arms deal. This will appeal to Trump and he will see it as sealing his Nobel Peace prize
Think it was Napoleon is said it was just a step from sublime to ridiculous. We will have to wait and see which Trump achieves.. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:59 - Aug 15 with 226 views | blueasfook |
I thnk the aim of today's summit is just to agree a ceasefire with a view to getting Ukraine and Russia around the negotiating table at a later date.
Hard to predict what Trump will agree to though "on behalf" of Ukraine. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 11:07 - Aug 15 with 174 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:59 - Aug 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Putin knows how to manipulate Trump like a puppet in a string.
There is no common ground between Russia & Ukraine on which to build . Putin doesn’t want Ukraine to exist, Zelinsky is not in a position to compromise he cannot offer to surrender territory .
Looking at the strength of the Russian delegation it will be more about trade, removing sanction and, I suspect, an offer to negotiate a new nuclear arms deal. This will appeal to Trump and he will see it as sealing his Nobel Peace prize
Think it was Napoleon is said it was just a step from sublime to ridiculous. We will have to wait and see which Trump achieves.. |
If the US capitulate, Europe has to hold firm on Russian sanctions and rearming. The loss of access to its biggest gas market has done the most damage to Russian finances, and a deal with the US wont change that. | | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 11:21 - Aug 15 with 130 views | J2BLUE |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:34 - Aug 15 by Guthrum |
They are barely gaining ground, tho. The Russians are advancing at a pace which makes even the most grinding WWI offensives look like Blitzkrieg. Given the numbers deployed, casualty rates are plausibly higher than the former, too. |
Over the long term yes but I think over recent days they have made decent gains which comes at the wrong time for the rest of the world. | |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 12:11 - Aug 15 with 29 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 11:21 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
Over the long term yes but I think over recent days they have made decent gains which comes at the wrong time for the rest of the world. |
Meanwhile, Ukraine attacks an Iranian ship in a Russian port of the Caspian Sea. Over 1,000 miles from Kiev. | |
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