| Sunderland at it again! 18:27 - Aug 15 with 4433 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
They have for sure said, let's not try the Ipswich way haven't they, some fees less than we paid as well. So curious to see how they do! |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:33 - Aug 15 with 4293 views | urbanpenguin |
Any context or explanation to this coded message? |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:37 - Aug 15 with 4230 views | Radlett_blue |
I think it's pretty obvious how Sunderland will do. If they don't get much from their first 3 fixtures against West Ham, Burnley & Brentford, it could be a long old season. |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:42 - Aug 15 with 4148 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:33 - Aug 15 by urbanpenguin |
Any context or explanation to this coded message? |
Mukiele from PSG on his way!
What's that now...?
Alderete
Masuaku
Roefs
Guiu
Xhaka
Adingra
Talbi
Reinildo
Sadiki
Diarra
Le Fee
I do think the narrative some said about the markets we were restricted to as a PL club were a bit laughable! We literally played them in pack out PR in league 1 as well, it's not like they were always hanging around the PL.
The net spend isn't even that different by my count. Not saying it will necessarily work but I mean that looks quite a PL ready doesn't it! | |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:42 - Aug 15 with 4134 views | Smoresy |
Perhaps lol but I think more a continuation of their work in the previous few seasons, as they recruited heavily from the continent while we were doing our double even. They've walked the opposite path no doubt in where to recruit from, and I still think Xhaka's a stunning signing (one I don't believe we'd have been able to attract tbh, if positions were swapped). |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:43 - Aug 15 with 4122 views | SitfcB |
The Leeds and Burnley squads look very very weak, even weaker than ours was at the start of last season IMO. |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:43 - Aug 15 with 4114 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:37 - Aug 15 by Radlett_blue |
I think it's pretty obvious how Sunderland will do. If they don't get much from their first 3 fixtures against West Ham, Burnley & Brentford, it could be a long old season. |
Possibly and if they go down they will be in a lot worse position than us potentially with some of these wages and players that wouldn't entertain the idea of the Champ but they are giving it a proper go and if it comes off... | |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:45 - Aug 15 with 4073 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Some less than we paid, but not many! €155 million so far spent, 32 million 24 million 23 million 20 million 17 million 15 million.
Good luck to them, but it's not cheap and it's not good odds. |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:47 - Aug 15 with 4030 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:45 - Aug 15 by Axeldalai_lama |
Some less than we paid, but not many! €155 million so far spent, 32 million 24 million 23 million 20 million 17 million 15 million.
Good luck to them, but it's not cheap and it's not good odds. |
The kind of players in there compared to the EFL figures we were chucking around. Insane to think about. | |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:56 - Aug 15 with 3879 views | football |
Sunlan are down - they cannot compete with the PL. Having studied in Newcastle and currently wearing a Newcastle shirt, I hope they go down | | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 19:57 - Aug 15 with 3495 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:42 - Aug 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Mukiele from PSG on his way!
What's that now...?
Alderete
Masuaku
Roefs
Guiu
Xhaka
Adingra
Talbi
Reinildo
Sadiki
Diarra
Le Fee
I do think the narrative some said about the markets we were restricted to as a PL club were a bit laughable! We literally played them in pack out PR in league 1 as well, it's not like they were always hanging around the PL.
The net spend isn't even that different by my count. Not saying it will necessarily work but I mean that looks quite a PL ready doesn't it! |
I’ve only heard of two of them. The Chelsea lad and Xhaka.
Are any of them any good? |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 20:03 - Aug 15 with 3443 views | JammyDodgerrr |
The bizarre thing about their signings is they will lose like six of them to afcon for at least a couple of months. That could be disastrous. |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 22:10 - Aug 15 with 3121 views | peterleeblue |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:56 - Aug 15 by football |
Sunlan are down - they cannot compete with the PL. Having studied in Newcastle and currently wearing a Newcastle shirt, I hope they go down |
Pretty uneducated from a supposed scholar?
Or did you study at Northumbria? |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 22:23 - Aug 15 with 2984 views | textbackup |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:43 - Aug 15 by SitfcB |
The Leeds and Burnley squads look very very weak, even weaker than ours was at the start of last season IMO. |
What are their striker options? |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 02:41 - Aug 16 with 2541 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Am I not remember quotes right, at the end of the season did not MA or KMc say let’s not do it the Ipswich way again to (in not so many words). They admitted by bring in who the brought in our team was to small physically? Look who we have brought in, most of them look more capable to handle the PL than the PL team we used last year ? |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 07:50 - Aug 16 with 2153 views | Churchman |
| Sunderland at it again! on 19:57 - Aug 15 by StochesStotasBlewe |
I’ve only heard of two of them. The Chelsea lad and Xhaka.
Are any of them any good? |
I saw Sunderland a few times on tv last season. They played nicely, albeit at Championship level. Their best player was Bellingham, but they had a lot of good young players and had a good team ethic. They have a terrific yoof system.
They have effectively tried to replace that team. Like you, I’ve only actually heard of two of them. Maybe they’ll be a lot better than those we signed and as top players they’ll be good enough to bond into a team quickly and make a go of it.
Maybe they won’t. If their signings were that good, why would they sign for Sunderland beyond money? Certainty of staying up? Keeping their salary if relegated? Love of the area? Who knows.
I would love to see them do it for my two mackem mates’ sake. They might and at least they are giving it a real go. Do I think they will? Given the chasm, I doubt it but you never know. |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 09:33 - Aug 16 with 1913 views | darkhorse28 |
Lots of players with top level experience - might work - might not, but it’s a logical, cohesive strategy, everyone can see and for a long while that EFL players can’t now make the leap and need time, at best you need a mix.
But that elite experience, it’s not desirable, it’s been essential for a long time.
When Somerville ripped up the EFL and struggled, being much better than anything we had, there should have been a clue.
Strategic chaos was and remains our MO (sadly).
Same people, making the same decisions, equals the same outcomes .
When you’re in the EFL with the biggest budget in league one, and players dropping down to work with Cook who are levels above league one, then it’s easier.
When you need a long term vision, a plan, and the networks and skills to execute that plan (we did have the money) that’s obviously harder.
Watched Bournemouth last night.
They sold £140 million worth of defenders to the best teams in Europe.
The new left back they have .., what a player! The centre half again, looked right at home, that’s the level of recruitment required. Just to have a chance.
The left back looked SO good…, whatever they and Brighton, and Brentford and Forest and Wolves do, they don’t two levels above how we operate.
The gap is wider today than it was 18 months ago.
We can pretend it’s not true, because it feels bad, or accept we need some changes and better support off the pitch.
The results don’t lie.
Bournemouth…, not just a bigger club with less investment, light years ahead of us ion and off the pitch, and we have more support, more match day income but they are to us what they are to PSG, that’s the gap. | | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 09:38 - Aug 16 with 1899 views | braveblue |
| Sunderland at it again! on 09:33 - Aug 16 by darkhorse28 |
Lots of players with top level experience - might work - might not, but it’s a logical, cohesive strategy, everyone can see and for a long while that EFL players can’t now make the leap and need time, at best you need a mix.
But that elite experience, it’s not desirable, it’s been essential for a long time.
When Somerville ripped up the EFL and struggled, being much better than anything we had, there should have been a clue.
Strategic chaos was and remains our MO (sadly).
Same people, making the same decisions, equals the same outcomes .
When you’re in the EFL with the biggest budget in league one, and players dropping down to work with Cook who are levels above league one, then it’s easier.
When you need a long term vision, a plan, and the networks and skills to execute that plan (we did have the money) that’s obviously harder.
Watched Bournemouth last night.
They sold £140 million worth of defenders to the best teams in Europe.
The new left back they have .., what a player! The centre half again, looked right at home, that’s the level of recruitment required. Just to have a chance.
The left back looked SO good…, whatever they and Brighton, and Brentford and Forest and Wolves do, they don’t two levels above how we operate.
The gap is wider today than it was 18 months ago.
We can pretend it’s not true, because it feels bad, or accept we need some changes and better support off the pitch.
The results don’t lie.
Bournemouth…, not just a bigger club with less investment, light years ahead of us ion and off the pitch, and we have more support, more match day income but they are to us what they are to PSG, that’s the gap. |
Bournemouth defenders. Fantastic. Lost 4 goals!!
To say our strategy is chaotic is simply nonsense. | | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 17:01 - Oct 25 with 715 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:37 - Aug 15 by Radlett_blue |
I think it's pretty obvious how Sunderland will do. If they don't get much from their first 3 fixtures against West Ham, Burnley & Brentford, it could be a long old season. |
Just remember you will always know less about football than me! | |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 17:25 - Oct 25 with 610 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sunderland at it again! on 19:57 - Aug 15 by StochesStotasBlewe |
I’ve only heard of two of them. The Chelsea lad and Xhaka.
Are any of them any good? |
Yes. | |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:10 - Oct 25 with 532 views | billlm |
Shows how much we got wrong, that's on McKenna and ashton |  | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:23 - Oct 25 with 501 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Their team is so good isn’t it. Much better than I thought it would be as well. Got a bit of everything.
The no nonsense strength and grit of an EFL graduate in Ballard. The leadership of Xhaka. The pace and power of Traore. The skill of Le Fee.
Just a seriously good team of players and then they bring Brobbey off the bench. Remarkable squad building. |  |
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| Sunderland at it again! on 18:32 - Oct 25 with 468 views | Churchman |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:10 - Oct 25 by billlm |
Shows how much we got wrong, that's on McKenna and ashton |
Did we lose today? I presume we did (I’m in Fuerteventura this week so missed it) from this forum.
It shows nothing of the sort. It is clear why we went down the road we did and the alternative was Darkhorse’s team Norwich’s rear end in the air and trouser the money approach. I thought the aim was brave and had merit, even if it didn’t work out.
Football and people is not the easy, FM25 exact science people think it is which is why replacing a whole team is fraught with risk. Mistakes will be made with and by human beings. Players will not always deliver regardless of their cost. They’ll also go in and out of form, but that doesn’t make them bad players.
So Sunderland have done brilliantly. Perhaps just congratulate and admire it and even try and understand why, when so many have failed to bridge the gap.
So given today’s third straight loss (I presume) and ‘how much we got wrong’, who do you want to replace McKenna and Ashton with? | | | |
| Sunderland at it again! on 19:45 - Oct 25 with 352 views | billlm |
| Sunderland at it again! on 18:32 - Oct 25 by Churchman |
Did we lose today? I presume we did (I’m in Fuerteventura this week so missed it) from this forum.
It shows nothing of the sort. It is clear why we went down the road we did and the alternative was Darkhorse’s team Norwich’s rear end in the air and trouser the money approach. I thought the aim was brave and had merit, even if it didn’t work out.
Football and people is not the easy, FM25 exact science people think it is which is why replacing a whole team is fraught with risk. Mistakes will be made with and by human beings. Players will not always deliver regardless of their cost. They’ll also go in and out of form, but that doesn’t make them bad players.
So Sunderland have done brilliantly. Perhaps just congratulate and admire it and even try and understand why, when so many have failed to bridge the gap.
So given today’s third straight loss (I presume) and ‘how much we got wrong’, who do you want to replace McKenna and Ashton with? |
AHH one of the snowflakes,
Iwe won a real bore fest,
I love fuertventura and the internet works well, to not find the result is baffling,
Ashton would be safe that's all il say for upsetting a few,
The brakes were well and truly put on a case of darenr lose, but wba were so poor no fear of that,
Wasn't brave was naive
Was no premiership experience in who we purchased really,
A manager well out of his depth as well,
But il give him he could only work with what he was given,
Not sure and don't pretend to know how much say he really has on purchases,
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