| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska 20:42 - Aug 15 with 3825 views | ElderGrizzly |
While on a red carpet š
They then drive off like best buddies in Trumpās car.
I donāt remember Zelensky getting such a warm welcome [Post edited 15 Aug 20:43]
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:22 - Aug 16 with 618 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 10:55 - Aug 16 by iamatractorboy |
This is where I begin to struggle. In politics, within certain acceptable norms, I can totally understand people being able to get along with, even be great friends with, others who share a difference in opinion, voting etc. There are people on here who I am sure are good people and I know I'd disagree with on aspects of politics. But when you have someone beyond any level of decency (Trump), then as far as I am concerned, a vote for him changes someone's values, and what they see as an acceptable level of stench when they hold their nose and tick the box on the ballot slip, to such a degree that I do not see them as a moral, decent person any longer. Some of you may see this as hyperbolic and 'holier than thou' or pearl-clutching. But in my definition of a decent person, a vote for Trump does not exist. It's automatically disqualifying. Just my view. |
In my view, there is a lot of lazy voting that just follows the same party election after election based on loyalty rather than after due consideration. US people tend to be loyal to the party rather than the individual. Maybe having a 2 party system leads to too much of a partisan position. Trump resonates with a lot of people in the US (even if it is a guilty, keep quiet about it sort of thing). Also having an unpopular opponent in Kamala Harris who was thrown in at the last moment so that she never built any real momentum and the feeling that Joe Biden was a lame duck president, Trump was always going to get in. Personally I do not castigate any US citizens for voting for Trump , it is their choice to be made. They will reap what they sow, whether it turns out well or not, who is to say. |  | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:58 - Aug 16 with 570 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 21:00 - Aug 15 by LeoMuff |
Itās insane Zelenskyy gets abuse in the White House from trump and his goons, putin gets claps, a flyover and a red carpet wtaf |
Trump is no buffoon despite the optics; a friendly warning from the USAF, a handclap to boost the ego-maniac that is Putin, the regulatory red carpet. This will all be over-looked if the deal is done. Which needs to happen, the longer it goes on the more men and land Ukraine will lose. With the West bored of it and concentrating arms resources on it's own protection rather than Ukraine's, we all know the window for Ukraine to win this is long gone. Ukraine aren't winning this, which sadly leaves Putin the winner and this will have to be accepted. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 14:11 - Aug 16 with 528 views | Ryorry |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:58 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Trump is no buffoon despite the optics; a friendly warning from the USAF, a handclap to boost the ego-maniac that is Putin, the regulatory red carpet. This will all be over-looked if the deal is done. Which needs to happen, the longer it goes on the more men and land Ukraine will lose. With the West bored of it and concentrating arms resources on it's own protection rather than Ukraine's, we all know the window for Ukraine to win this is long gone. Ukraine aren't winning this, which sadly leaves Putin the winner and this will have to be accepted. |
Do you live in the UK? Would you have defended the UK against invasion in WW2? Would you accept Russia physically invading us now? |  |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 14:24 - Aug 16 with 496 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:58 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Trump is no buffoon despite the optics; a friendly warning from the USAF, a handclap to boost the ego-maniac that is Putin, the regulatory red carpet. This will all be over-looked if the deal is done. Which needs to happen, the longer it goes on the more men and land Ukraine will lose. With the West bored of it and concentrating arms resources on it's own protection rather than Ukraine's, we all know the window for Ukraine to win this is long gone. Ukraine aren't winning this, which sadly leaves Putin the winner and this will have to be accepted. |
Putin has bought more time. Which is exactly what was intended. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:01 - Aug 16 with 437 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:00 - Aug 16 by lowhouseblue |
in all seriousness that would worry me greatly. i would really want to understand what made them vote for trump, how they rationalise their support for him, how they see the world. and how they see people like the democrats / you. i would want to understand how and why they think differently and what shapes their take on politics before writing off millions of people as 'not moral or decent'. if instead you start from the assumption that they are just as likely to be moral and decent as you are, then you also need to allow for the possibility that there may be elements of your own beliefs, information, assumptions etc which are out of skew. empathising with people we agree with is easy - empathy for those with different views needs work. |
I understand what you are saying but we have moved past that point in my opinion. If they don't know what Trump is all about after the past decade then they have either been living under a rock (and will continue to do so), or they don't care. Either way they are beyond reason. It's as simple as that. These aren't normal times we are living in. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:06 - Aug 16 with 427 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 11:48 - Aug 16 by Plums |
It's a very fair point. However, you are clearly able to see behind the headlines because you're interested, inquisitive and have sources you can look to to navigate the situation. I surmise this from your post and the fact you're evidently online and engaging in debate.
Many, many people don't. They look no further than the soundbite, slogan or clip for their information. Intelligent people who I assumed are well informed have no idea about Project 2025 for example. It's not in their orbit and they don't go looking. When told about it, they invariably think it's conspiracy nonsense until they're shown this BBC article from last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
I agree that those who do and still make the choice for Trump or Farage deserve condemnation but the ignorant - not so in my book. They need educating. |
I agree in principle but to be ignorant of Trump after his first term and the subsequent 4 years you would have to be from the dark side of the moon. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:07 - Aug 16 with 420 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:22 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
In my view, there is a lot of lazy voting that just follows the same party election after election based on loyalty rather than after due consideration. US people tend to be loyal to the party rather than the individual. Maybe having a 2 party system leads to too much of a partisan position. Trump resonates with a lot of people in the US (even if it is a guilty, keep quiet about it sort of thing). Also having an unpopular opponent in Kamala Harris who was thrown in at the last moment so that she never built any real momentum and the feeling that Joe Biden was a lame duck president, Trump was always going to get in. Personally I do not castigate any US citizens for voting for Trump , it is their choice to be made. They will reap what they sow, whether it turns out well or not, who is to say. |
Trump voters reap what they sow, I agree. And the other 49% who voted Harris, they get to suffer just as much (or more in many cases). | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:41 - Aug 16 with 394 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:07 - Aug 16 by iamatractorboy |
Trump voters reap what they sow, I agree. And the other 49% who voted Harris, they get to suffer just as much (or more in many cases). |
That's how democracy works, rightly or wrongly. Not everyone can be satisfied when politics are becoming more polarised, which is unusual for the US as both parties have been very mainstream. | | | |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:46 - Aug 16 with 374 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 12:58 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Trump is no buffoon despite the optics; a friendly warning from the USAF, a handclap to boost the ego-maniac that is Putin, the regulatory red carpet. This will all be over-looked if the deal is done. Which needs to happen, the longer it goes on the more men and land Ukraine will lose. With the West bored of it and concentrating arms resources on it's own protection rather than Ukraine's, we all know the window for Ukraine to win this is long gone. Ukraine aren't winning this, which sadly leaves Putin the winner and this will have to be accepted. |
Think you over rate Trump massively there. It's not about playing to Putin's ego but showing respect for a fellow 'tough' leader. Putin got what he wanted, recognition by a western leader and nothing given away. Trump is an egotistical buffoon.
As for surrender, not sure who agrees with you apart from Putin and Trump |  | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:06 - Aug 16 with 351 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:41 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
That's how democracy works, rightly or wrongly. Not everyone can be satisfied when politics are becoming more polarised, which is unusual for the US as both parties have been very mainstream. |
Well, yes, I know that. I was responding to a post that essentially said 'Trump supporters will get what they deserve.' I'm pointing out that everybody else will also get the consequences, but since they voted Harris, they won't deserve it. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:10 - Aug 16 with 346 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 14:11 - Aug 16 by Ryorry |
Do you live in the UK? Would you have defended the UK against invasion in WW2? Would you accept Russia physically invading us now? |
Of course I would have volunteered. Why would I accept Russia invading us now? You insult me. The situation in Ukraine is at almost stalemate with Russia making slow but steady progress. Sometimes you read the situation and cut your losses. Ukraine are short of manpower, fewer are complying with the call up, many of a serving age have left the country. If there is a settlement it will be put to a referendum under Ukraine law, the martial law government can not make that decision. Do you think Ukraine can win this ? As someone else said the only person gaining from no peace deal is currently Russia. Ironically, I have never heard Ukraine offer to give back the 74,000 sq kms the Ukrainians stole off Poland at the end of WW11 equivalent to the land Russia have taken since 2022 (ignores Crimea which is not traditionally part of Ukraine and has been held by Russia for a decade now). Borders in that part of the world have always been historically fluid. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:12 - Aug 16 with 340 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:10 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Of course I would have volunteered. Why would I accept Russia invading us now? You insult me. The situation in Ukraine is at almost stalemate with Russia making slow but steady progress. Sometimes you read the situation and cut your losses. Ukraine are short of manpower, fewer are complying with the call up, many of a serving age have left the country. If there is a settlement it will be put to a referendum under Ukraine law, the martial law government can not make that decision. Do you think Ukraine can win this ? As someone else said the only person gaining from no peace deal is currently Russia. Ironically, I have never heard Ukraine offer to give back the 74,000 sq kms the Ukrainians stole off Poland at the end of WW11 equivalent to the land Russia have taken since 2022 (ignores Crimea which is not traditionally part of Ukraine and has been held by Russia for a decade now). Borders in that part of the world have always been historically fluid. |
Do tell us what peace deal will stop things, which Ukraine could implement?
They could agree right now to stop fighting and concede all of the occupied territory to Russia. Russia would re-arm and press on in a year or so. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:31 - Aug 16 with 314 views | EastLondonBlue |
I believe he was clapping the air force as they flew over the top of them. |  | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:36 - Aug 16 with 309 views | Ryorry |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:10 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Of course I would have volunteered. Why would I accept Russia invading us now? You insult me. The situation in Ukraine is at almost stalemate with Russia making slow but steady progress. Sometimes you read the situation and cut your losses. Ukraine are short of manpower, fewer are complying with the call up, many of a serving age have left the country. If there is a settlement it will be put to a referendum under Ukraine law, the martial law government can not make that decision. Do you think Ukraine can win this ? As someone else said the only person gaining from no peace deal is currently Russia. Ironically, I have never heard Ukraine offer to give back the 74,000 sq kms the Ukrainians stole off Poland at the end of WW11 equivalent to the land Russia have taken since 2022 (ignores Crimea which is not traditionally part of Ukraine and has been held by Russia for a decade now). Borders in that part of the world have always been historically fluid. |
If you consider my post an āinsultā, then just consider how much you insulted Ukrainians in your own post, in which you also presumed to surrender on their behalf  | |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:40 - Aug 16 with 296 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:10 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
Of course I would have volunteered. Why would I accept Russia invading us now? You insult me. The situation in Ukraine is at almost stalemate with Russia making slow but steady progress. Sometimes you read the situation and cut your losses. Ukraine are short of manpower, fewer are complying with the call up, many of a serving age have left the country. If there is a settlement it will be put to a referendum under Ukraine law, the martial law government can not make that decision. Do you think Ukraine can win this ? As someone else said the only person gaining from no peace deal is currently Russia. Ironically, I have never heard Ukraine offer to give back the 74,000 sq kms the Ukrainians stole off Poland at the end of WW11 equivalent to the land Russia have taken since 2022 (ignores Crimea which is not traditionally part of Ukraine and has been held by Russia for a decade now). Borders in that part of the world have always been historically fluid. |
Putin wonāt stop at what heās got; he wants the whole lot. Any ādealā will be a sham and sell the Ukrainians down the river unfortunately. |  |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 18:02 - Aug 16 with 278 views | Coastalblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:01 - Aug 16 by iamatractorboy |
I understand what you are saying but we have moved past that point in my opinion. If they don't know what Trump is all about after the past decade then they have either been living under a rock (and will continue to do so), or they don't care. Either way they are beyond reason. It's as simple as that. These aren't normal times we are living in. |
I think it's much deeper than this, and not just in the States but they are ahead of the curve.
Look at Japanese culture ahead of the second world war, the indoctrination in country and honour, the unified belief that they needed to fight to the very last person standing.
We've gone through a similar thing in the West, except we're being constantly drip fed misinformation by the elite, the people with money.
Divide and conquer, blame immigrants or the working classes or the middle classes or people not like you, go fight them while we slowly but surely add to our portfolios and mop up the rest of the world.
It's easy to mock Americans who voted Trump, want to MAGA, know they are the greatest country in the world that saved everybody else twice and now defends the entire planet, but many are brought up being taught that from infants and have no reason to question it.
I'm not sure we are that much better on the whole, look at who's slowly but surely rising up the political system. |  |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:25 - Aug 16 with 231 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:46 - Aug 16 by reusersfreekicks |
Think you over rate Trump massively there. It's not about playing to Putin's ego but showing respect for a fellow 'tough' leader. Putin got what he wanted, recognition by a western leader and nothing given away. Trump is an egotistical buffoon.
As for surrender, not sure who agrees with you apart from Putin and Trump |
Surrender is not being considered, that is ridiculous, they are talking a peace deal, no one except you are talking about a surrender. Both men are massively egotistical, there is no doubt there. What is your solution ? | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:33 - Aug 16 with 222 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:12 - Aug 16 by redrickstuhaart |
Do tell us what peace deal will stop things, which Ukraine could implement?
They could agree right now to stop fighting and concede all of the occupied territory to Russia. Russia would re-arm and press on in a year or so. |
It would clearly have to be a deal with security guarantees, re NATO from the Ukraine side. From Russia's p.o.v keeping territory they have gained. Whether that is feasible, the Americans clearly think so. Whether both sides can concede that much, I am doubtful. The Russians don't need to negotiate, they are in a strong position and are getting nearer to their revised war aims every day. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:37 - Aug 16 with 214 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:31 - Aug 16 by EastLondonBlue |
I believe he was clapping the air force as they flew over the top of them. |
Bollox | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:53 - Aug 16 with 203 views | mellowblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 17:36 - Aug 16 by Ryorry |
If you consider my post an āinsultā, then just consider how much you insulted Ukrainians in your own post, in which you also presumed to surrender on their behalf |
Err where have I mentioned surrender, you are painting a false narrative. A peace deal is not surrender. The insult bit was actually slightly tongue in cheek, it was a fair point you are making. Of course I can not speak for the brave Ukrainians, but I just do not see how it ends well for them. When wars reach a stalemate, it is a good time to look for solutions. They might not be achievable, but should still be tried. Maybe when the Western front was at complete stalemate during WWI, a negotiated deal then would have saved so much life. Historically we have negotiated peace treaties to bring wars to conclusions, rather than bludgeon it out to a finish. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 20:04 - Aug 16 with 194 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 09:11 - Aug 16 by Pinewoodblue |
Better to advise them to stand firm and make their vote count.
I wonder how many Democrats found it difficult to vote for a woman of colour. A few shared by several American friends. They also believe there was a degree of rigging involved. |
It's too late.
The mid-terms *possibly* give an opportunity to restrict some of Trump's power, but, given everything else going on in the USA at the moment, there has to be a possibility that they might not happen.
A few well-timed, ultra heavy handed, ICE raids leading to major riots and Trump can cite "national security concerns" for the delaying of the Elections.
20 years ago, that would have been incredibly crazy stuff, maybe the plot of a "Cartman becomes President fever dream" episode of South Park, but, although it's not the most likely scenario, there is a very small possibility that the Project 2025 crew will find a way to create the circumstances to postpone the Mid-Term Elections. | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 20:56 - Aug 16 with 155 views | lowhouseblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 16:01 - Aug 16 by iamatractorboy |
I understand what you are saying but we have moved past that point in my opinion. If they don't know what Trump is all about after the past decade then they have either been living under a rock (and will continue to do so), or they don't care. Either way they are beyond reason. It's as simple as that. These aren't normal times we are living in. |
but people can be honest and decent yet still hold political views that are different from yours. can't they? that's really basic to a civil society. if you don't accept that and you can only understand politics in terms of people who disagree with you being morally and intellectually inferior to you, then you will never persuade anyone of anything. it's a close minded and intolerant mindset.
how does your stance differ from someone you disagree with thinking that they are intellectually morally superior to you? don't you see what a dead end that approach to politics is? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 21:11 - Aug 16 with 142 views | iamatractorboy |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 20:56 - Aug 16 by lowhouseblue |
but people can be honest and decent yet still hold political views that are different from yours. can't they? that's really basic to a civil society. if you don't accept that and you can only understand politics in terms of people who disagree with you being morally and intellectually inferior to you, then you will never persuade anyone of anything. it's a close minded and intolerant mindset.
how does your stance differ from someone you disagree with thinking that they are intellectually morally superior to you? don't you see what a dead end that approach to politics is? |
Trump was adjudicated a sex abuser. Do you need more? | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 23:56 - Aug 16 with 45 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 21:11 - Aug 16 by iamatractorboy |
Trump was adjudicated a sex abuser. Do you need more? |
He is well practiced at ignoring inconvenient facts and promoting false equivalence and both sideism. An apologist for the far right really | | | |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 00:09 - Aug 17 with 18 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska on 19:33 - Aug 16 by mellowblue |
It would clearly have to be a deal with security guarantees, re NATO from the Ukraine side. From Russia's p.o.v keeping territory they have gained. Whether that is feasible, the Americans clearly think so. Whether both sides can concede that much, I am doubtful. The Russians don't need to negotiate, they are in a strong position and are getting nearer to their revised war aims every day. |
What are Russia's revised war aims and why are they speaking to anyone if they don't need to negotiate? |  |
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