| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! 19:52 - Aug 16 with 2850 views | BlueOsterClub |
With the fees received for Hutchinson , Delap and Broadhead thats almost half of last seasons spend recouped all ready. If the Muric loan becomes permeant and we receive a fee eventually that will be more than half last seasons spend back.
From our signings last season we still have
Jack Clark
Sammie Szmodics
Greaves
O Shea
Phiigene
Ogbene
Ben Johnson
Have I missed anybody? |  | | |  |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 22:53 - Aug 16 with 610 views | Simonds92 |
And if we were going to try and sell the rest of them right now, would we break even / make a profit / make a loss.
Jack Clarke - £10m?
Sammie Szmodics - £8m?
Greaves - £8m?
O Shea - £20m?
Phiigene - £10m
Ogbene - £5m?
Ben Johnson £5m (based solely on pedigree not performances!)
We're not really any better off are we? Szmodics and O'Shea the only improvements on the squad that got promoted imo. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:08 - Aug 16 with 565 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 22:53 - Aug 16 by Simonds92 |
And if we were going to try and sell the rest of them right now, would we break even / make a profit / make a loss.
Jack Clarke - £10m?
Sammie Szmodics - £8m?
Greaves - £8m?
O Shea - £20m?
Phiigene - £10m
Ogbene - £5m?
Ben Johnson £5m (based solely on pedigree not performances!)
We're not really any better off are we? Szmodics and O'Shea the only improvements on the squad that got promoted imo. |
Seriously pointless comparison right now, when we have no intention to sell any of them this window. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:09 - Aug 16 with 556 views | MVBlue |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 20:15 - Aug 16 by blueoutlook |
Yes, nearly reaching the goal old Brett put in that email. Still think there was more to that than meets the eye. No smoke without fire. The club scrambled to dampen it because it wasn’t for our eyes. It was definitely a slip up there I think. |
If Leif Davis is sold it will turn out that they knew at that time all would be sold for £100m |  |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:11 - Aug 16 with 547 views | PhilTWTD |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 22:31 - Aug 16 by TheBoyBlue |
Yep, I don't shy away from the club getting things wrong and that the club have admitted it too. But I assume they didn't just decide to only go for young Championship players rather than experienced Premier League players and that rather we just couldn't get any on our terms?
To be fair I can't say I have an in depth knowledge of Sunderland's current situation so it is unfair of me to say they'll be in trouble if they go down, but if we'd just gone all out signing expensive players no matter what then I guess there is a danger in that too.
It's just this constant discourse the that we've been reckless and wasteful with our recruitment whereas in the circumstances we've actually set up with a solid and promising team for future years in a sensible fashion in the circumstances. |
I don't think it's a case of having been reckless or wasteful, more that our recruitment set-up hasn't kept up with the development of the club as a whole. We didn't have the recruitment infrastructure to confidently chase players overseas last summer and kept largely to the market we knew well, which is understandable in those circumstances, if limiting, and ultimately didn't keep us up. We did sign one or two experienced players, but I think the expectation was that we might have brought in more to adjust to the step up given so few of the rest of the squad had played in the Premier League previously. |  | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:16 - Aug 16 with 510 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:11 - Aug 16 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think it's a case of having been reckless or wasteful, more that our recruitment set-up hasn't kept up with the development of the club as a whole. We didn't have the recruitment infrastructure to confidently chase players overseas last summer and kept largely to the market we knew well, which is understandable in those circumstances, if limiting, and ultimately didn't keep us up. We did sign one or two experienced players, but I think the expectation was that we might have brought in more to adjust to the step up given so few of the rest of the squad had played in the Premier League previously. |
I may have gone off piste with the wasteful and reckless thing with this particular post, but that is broadly my understanding and what I've tried to put across to other posters who claim that we just wilfully ignored certain markets. We did what we could in the circumstances and in those circumstances I think we recruited sensibly with an eye on the long term. | |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:42 - Aug 16 with 480 views | Herbivore |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 22:53 - Aug 16 by Simonds92 |
And if we were going to try and sell the rest of them right now, would we break even / make a profit / make a loss.
Jack Clarke - £10m?
Sammie Szmodics - £8m?
Greaves - £8m?
O Shea - £20m?
Phiigene - £10m
Ogbene - £5m?
Ben Johnson £5m (based solely on pedigree not performances!)
We're not really any better off are we? Szmodics and O'Shea the only improvements on the squad that got promoted imo. |
You don't think Ogbene is a better right winger than Jackson or that Clarke or Philogene aren't better than Harness? Because that's who they've replaced in the squad essentially. The Prem was tough and we weren't great at Brum but quality wise the squad we have and the XI we can field is much better than what we had last time in the Championship. If we can get the same togetherness and cohesion, we'll be in for a good season. |  |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:45 - Aug 16 with 461 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:42 - Aug 16 by Herbivore |
You don't think Ogbene is a better right winger than Jackson or that Clarke or Philogene aren't better than Harness? Because that's who they've replaced in the squad essentially. The Prem was tough and we weren't great at Brum but quality wise the squad we have and the XI we can field is much better than what we had last time in the Championship. If we can get the same togetherness and cohesion, we'll be in for a good season. |
Ogbene looked really handy for Luton, surprised some seem quite so down on him after that awful injury. Going to take him a while but writing him off after a "quiet" game at St Andrews! |  |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:51 - Aug 16 with 442 views | Simonds92 |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:42 - Aug 16 by Herbivore |
You don't think Ogbene is a better right winger than Jackson or that Clarke or Philogene aren't better than Harness? Because that's who they've replaced in the squad essentially. The Prem was tough and we weren't great at Brum but quality wise the squad we have and the XI we can field is much better than what we had last time in the Championship. If we can get the same togetherness and cohesion, we'll be in for a good season. |
I don't think Ogbene is better than Burns / Omari who played there in the starting XI for the vast majority. I don't think Clarke or Philogene have proven themselves to be better than Broadhead so far either. If your argument is that the squad players have been improved upon, yeah probably, but my point is that the starting XI is weaker in those positions and it currently looks like we've overspent on a number of players last season. | | | |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 07:07 - Aug 17 with 385 views | duke_maiden |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 20:27 - Aug 16 by Everydayblue |
Luongo is the forgotten guy.... He was a perfect partner for Morsy. And got the best out of Burgess, playing in front of him and being a compatriot seemed to settle Burgess more, imo. Goes without saying that Morsy will be hard to replace..
Patience needed while KM transitions a new group into a team we are proud of. |
Patience needed. That's the absolute key at current. Couldn't agree more.
We as a supporter base should all recognise this, support the team during a difficult start and build a positive atmosphere again.
COYB |  | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:23 - Aug 17 with 335 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 21:52 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
What if they’d kept us up?
You’ve considered the worse case scenario, but not the best case |
Delap hutch Trezabi broadhead would be here
Morsy maybe
The rest gone possibly a refresh of keepers
And a stack load of premiership cash! |  | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:32 - Aug 17 with 309 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:23 - Aug 17 by BtreeBlueBlood |
Delap hutch Trezabi broadhead would be here
Morsy maybe
The rest gone possibly a refresh of keepers
And a stack load of premiership cash! |
There is a better then evens chance that all those listed would still have left, so only your last line is undeniably true. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:46 - Aug 17 with 281 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:23 - Aug 17 by BtreeBlueBlood |
Delap hutch Trezabi broadhead would be here
Morsy maybe
The rest gone possibly a refresh of keepers
And a stack load of premiership cash! |
I actually they'd all go anyway. The only question is around Hutch where i think the Euro's had more of an effect on a move than his premier season. |  |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 08:58 - Aug 17 with 250 views | Herbivore |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:51 - Aug 16 by Simonds92 |
I don't think Ogbene is better than Burns / Omari who played there in the starting XI for the vast majority. I don't think Clarke or Philogene have proven themselves to be better than Broadhead so far either. If your argument is that the squad players have been improved upon, yeah probably, but my point is that the starting XI is weaker in those positions and it currently looks like we've overspent on a number of players last season. |
You said our squad isn't as strong when it's clearly, not "probably" stronger. Burns is still here too by the way. I would say that player for player the starting XI is better, they just don't have the confidence and cohesion of the 2023/24 side yet. | |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:01 - Aug 17 with 239 views | Herbivore |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 23:45 - Aug 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Ogbene looked really handy for Luton, surprised some seem quite so down on him after that awful injury. Going to take him a while but writing him off after a "quiet" game at St Andrews! |
He set up our equaliser on Tuesday as well. He's missed almost a whole year of football so it's not surprise he looks rusty but he had a good season in the Prem in 2023/24 and has always looked good at this level too, so I think he's a handy squad player. I suspect he'll become more of an occasional starter and impact bench option when the squad is complete but he's very useful to have at this level. | |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:14 - Aug 17 with 219 views | BlueOura |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 22:53 - Aug 16 by Simonds92 |
And if we were going to try and sell the rest of them right now, would we break even / make a profit / make a loss.
Jack Clarke - £10m?
Sammie Szmodics - £8m?
Greaves - £8m?
O Shea - £20m?
Phiigene - £10m
Ogbene - £5m?
Ben Johnson £5m (based solely on pedigree not performances!)
We're not really any better off are we? Szmodics and O'Shea the only improvements on the squad that got promoted imo. |
With the exception of Ben Johnson and possibly O'Shea, I would say all of those players are now worth less now than what we paid for them.
However, we are not looking to sell any of them currently and they all improve our squad from how it looked prior to their arrival, so I would say overall we are better off, yes. |  | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:19 - Aug 17 with 212 views | darkhorse28 |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 20:15 - Aug 16 by blueoutlook |
Yes, nearly reaching the goal old Brett put in that email. Still think there was more to that than meets the eye. No smoke without fire. The club scrambled to dampen it because it wasn’t for our eyes. It was definitely a slip up there I think. |
More to it than meets the eye. It couldn’t have been spelled out any clearer.
£100 million in sales and a majority stake is available, other than build it in LEGO I’m not sure what more Brett could do…, obviously it wasn’t intended for public consumption…., but the lack of clarity and putting season ticket and shirt sales ahead of being honest with supporters.
Did the club move to dampen it down, they forced the media nodding heads to say we are looking for investment, but at no point have the club said a majority stake isn’t for sale.
I much says everything.
It’s poor from the club…, we aren’t village idiots. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:21 - Aug 17 with 204 views | Herbivore |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:19 - Aug 17 by darkhorse28 |
More to it than meets the eye. It couldn’t have been spelled out any clearer.
£100 million in sales and a majority stake is available, other than build it in LEGO I’m not sure what more Brett could do…, obviously it wasn’t intended for public consumption…., but the lack of clarity and putting season ticket and shirt sales ahead of being honest with supporters.
Did the club move to dampen it down, they forced the media nodding heads to say we are looking for investment, but at no point have the club said a majority stake isn’t for sale.
I much says everything.
It’s poor from the club…, we aren’t village idiots. |
Most of us aren't. | |
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:27 - Aug 17 with 193 views | darkhorse28 |
We didn’t spend £150 million (apparently) tbf we did, but probably an element of the add ons will never trigger would be reasonable.
I’m not sure what point your trying to make, that it’s a good thing I guess, but not sure how you get there, because at best it’s chaotic, and devoid of any long term vision, keeping players for 12 months, during which you achieve none of your goals, and selling some for less than market value, isn’t a sustainable strategy.
And of those left, they have been retuned because nobody wants them, literally the only reason, not because they are part of a long term vision.
Which of them had significant commercial value?
O’Shea is the only one worth more than we paid.., and we’d struggle to break even on the others.
It’s not what long term planning looks like, or building a club sustainably either.
Do we do this again in 12 months?
Sunderland just achieved more on the pitch in one gameweek then we did in a full season…, with experienced players, costing less.
Our building around youth, has gone completely out of the window because we can’t retain anyone.., and our solution…, same again.., young players we don’t retain.., the same people, making the same mistakes, with no clear vision or direction.
So no. Spending £150 million to raise £80 million 13 months later (and for context we’ve lost 7 not 3 players) isn’t what success looks like on or off the pitch.
Replacing them with mostly loans too .., is very high risk, if we don’t go up we have lots of money, still quite a lot of liability and no players!
That’s chaos not a long term vision. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:41 - Aug 17 with 174 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 09:19 - Aug 17 by darkhorse28 |
More to it than meets the eye. It couldn’t have been spelled out any clearer.
£100 million in sales and a majority stake is available, other than build it in LEGO I’m not sure what more Brett could do…, obviously it wasn’t intended for public consumption…., but the lack of clarity and putting season ticket and shirt sales ahead of being honest with supporters.
Did the club move to dampen it down, they forced the media nodding heads to say we are looking for investment, but at no point have the club said a majority stake isn’t for sale.
I much says everything.
It’s poor from the club…, we aren’t village idiots. |
Again please. This time in English and with some substance. | | | |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 10:03 - Aug 17 with 136 views | PioneerBlue |
These comparisons might be interesting but nothing is static. The opposition have shifted and so have we, we can’t be saying we’d be better off now had all those players stayed to fight this season out. Is Arnold and Franz ready to take to the field again too? We have acquired an enviable squad in an accelerated pace, we would never have been able to accumulate all these players to play in the same squad at the same time had the PL windfall not happened. We have a bit more business to do then we go game by game aiming to out play, out fight, out think the opposition all the way to May.
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| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 10:12 - Aug 17 with 110 views | MK1 |
| Half the 150 million spent last season recouped with 3 player sales! on 21:33 - Aug 16 by redrickstuhaart |
I hear you.
But is our right back better? No.
Is Greaves better than Burgess? No
Do we have a midfielder who can match Morsy? No
Do we have a right winger / sub to match hutch? No
Do we have an effective left sided attacker? No
The key points in the previous side are still missing. |
A fit Philogene on the LW and the answer is yes.
J Clarke on the RW and the answer is yes.
Young at RB and the answer is yes.
Add in Szmodics and Akpom and we are as strong if not stronger up top.
O'Shea and Greaves need to play together all season to cement their partnership.
It's the Midfield that still worries me slightly. |  |
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