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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… 21:49 - Aug 18 with 2767 viewsSitfcB

…but now I’m just annoyed at them and Leeds.

How jarring is it we had one home win all season (first overall win wasn’t until November) yet they both with their first games, at home.

Pathetic from us.

But the fixture list was also pathetic.

Blub.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 07:13 - Aug 19 with 299 viewsNutkins_Return

We would have needed everything to go right after back to back. Injuries, transfers etc.

Leeds base squad and experience was higher. Sunderland have built well signing talented young players who have grown with team but they do look to have done better recruitment.

I refuse to get bitter about our fantastic journey. We are in a tough spot immediately now but thanks to that journey we have brilliant resources to change our story and be successful again over the next couple of years. I want us to go up this season and we can. Pragmatically we can also build a platform this season and be strong challenges beyond next as well worst case. I'm confident next time in prem we will have a better base and chance.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 07:17 - Aug 19 with 295 viewsChrisd

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 21:52 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue

Probably controversial and I don't want to come across to harshly but both have looked like prem competitive sides compared to our efforts.

Physical. Fast. Dangerous.


I can’t speak for Sunderland, but watching Leeds last night - whether you like them or not they - looked very good, I was impressed with them. Leeds look like they have recruited physically big players, with a good pedigree and are decent footballers to help them bridge that step up in quality.

2 wins for the promoted sides in the first weekend of the EPL. Took until October, last season when any of the 3 promoted sides actually won a game!! Early days, but I actually hope the promoted sides do well, the last couple of seasons the tepid efforts of those promoted sides hasn’t been a good look.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 07:55 - Aug 19 with 251 viewsbsw72

Leeds have signed 10 players who appear to be over 10 feet tall.

They may struggle to match some of the more skilful sides, but they won't get outmuscled easily.

The way I see it is that Sunderland and Leeds have seen how we struggled and has tried to address the issues we saw over the season, so basically we are helping these championship promoted sides achieve what they will this year.
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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 08:32 - Aug 19 with 217 viewsCheltenham_Blue

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 21:59 - Aug 18 by jasondozzell

We deserved to beat Fulham in August.

I want the promoted sides to survive but at the same time don't!


If they all stay up, it weakens the league for us next season.
If they all come back down, the 17 just get further away from us.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 08:42 - Aug 19 with 181 viewsbracknell_blue

If we had had their opening fixtures we may have won them. That start we had on paper was awful and proved so on the pitch

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 08:51 - Aug 19 with 157 viewsCheltenham_Blue

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 08:42 - Aug 19 by bracknell_blue

If we had had their opening fixtures we may have won them. That start we had on paper was awful and proved so on the pitch


It was a terrible fixture list for a newly promoted club and dis nothing but knock the stuffing out of us.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 08:57 - Aug 19 with 138 viewsSWLondonBlue93

Probably for the best that people move on from last season. We could have handpicked our fixtures and we still wouldn't have got close to staying up, we were simply nowhere near good enough.
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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:03 - Aug 19 with 132 viewsBlueySwede

If one or two promoted teams survives this season (preferably Sunderland and Burnley), that is only good for us if we go back up.
But it´s a long season. Everton always finds a way to survive.
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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:07 - Aug 19 with 116 viewsBellevue_Blue

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 07:13 - Aug 19 by Nutkins_Return

We would have needed everything to go right after back to back. Injuries, transfers etc.

Leeds base squad and experience was higher. Sunderland have built well signing talented young players who have grown with team but they do look to have done better recruitment.

I refuse to get bitter about our fantastic journey. We are in a tough spot immediately now but thanks to that journey we have brilliant resources to change our story and be successful again over the next couple of years. I want us to go up this season and we can. Pragmatically we can also build a platform this season and be strong challenges beyond next as well worst case. I'm confident next time in prem we will have a better base and chance.


Hit the nail on the head. Both Leeds/ Sunderland were far better prepared for promotion than we were.

We are now in a really healthy place with regards to a very strong Championship squad, the ability to generate great commercial revenues and sell assets for much more than we bought them for.

All being well, that will allow us to take more calculated risks if all being well, we do go up this season.
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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:14 - Aug 19 with 107 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:07 - Aug 19 by Bellevue_Blue

Hit the nail on the head. Both Leeds/ Sunderland were far better prepared for promotion than we were.

We are now in a really healthy place with regards to a very strong Championship squad, the ability to generate great commercial revenues and sell assets for much more than we bought them for.

All being well, that will allow us to take more calculated risks if all being well, we do go up this season.


Indeed. We are well behind Leeds and Sunderland in our development, but we're getting there. Anything worth doing is hard and takes time. People need more patience.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:23 - Aug 19 with 81 views_clive_baker_

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 07:13 - Aug 19 by Nutkins_Return

We would have needed everything to go right after back to back. Injuries, transfers etc.

Leeds base squad and experience was higher. Sunderland have built well signing talented young players who have grown with team but they do look to have done better recruitment.

I refuse to get bitter about our fantastic journey. We are in a tough spot immediately now but thanks to that journey we have brilliant resources to change our story and be successful again over the next couple of years. I want us to go up this season and we can. Pragmatically we can also build a platform this season and be strong challenges beyond next as well worst case. I'm confident next time in prem we will have a better base and chance.


Agree, Leeds are at a much higher base than we were, which makes the fact we managed to outpace them to promotion such an achievement. They went up with Italy internationals like Gnoto, 8 figure signings like James, Rodon & Piroe, Harrison back from a PL loan, Ampadu etc. They've added some wily PL experience as well now in Calvert-Lewin and Longstaff. Not to mention the off the pitch bits having spent 3 of the past 5 years in the Premier league before this season vs. us who hadn't been there in 22 years.

We were miles behind the curve and playing catch up from day 1. In hindsight we can point to our recruitment and wonder what a different strategy might've yielded, with a bit more emphasis on the proven 'here and now', but given the trends of promoted clubs its still odds on not to result in a favourable outcome and we would likely be in a worse place now for it.
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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:28 - Aug 19 with 61 viewsJimmyJazz

How do you suppose Burnley feel this morning - the other 2 sides both won and they lost at a ground we actually won at last season.

They might well feel it's all over already

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I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:42 - Aug 19 with 44 views_clive_baker_

I was pleased for Sunderland on Saturday… on 09:28 - Aug 19 by JimmyJazz

How do you suppose Burnley feel this morning - the other 2 sides both won and they lost at a ground we actually won at last season.

They might well feel it's all over already


I think Spurs will be a different proposition this season to be fair, Frank is a massive step on. They took PSG to penalties last week and were unlucky not to win that, Burnley certainly had the toughest opening fixture by some distance. Leeds & Sunderland couldn't have hand picked better opening fixtures, other than perhaps Brentford at home.

I still think Burnley will go down, but they've got Sunderland at home this weekend, that's a better fixture for them.

Burnley, Sunderland, Leeds, Brentford, Wolves, West Ham. It'll be 3 from that 6, Everton wont be in trouble under Moyes and everyone else looks a level above.
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