| Stopping time wasting 12:26 - Aug 31 with 2069 views | TheMover |
A while ago somebody, I believe it was Arsène Wenger, suggested that games should be reduced to 60 minutes total, however, it should be of actual play. This means the clock would stop everytime the ball was not in play, similar to some other sports.
I feel it would solve some of the issues, although not all of them. 2 minutes to take a throw in would not run the clock down nor would moving the ball multiple times between players at a goal kick. It wouldn't stop fake injuries to purely break up the play and I am not sure how that can be fairly overcome.
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:31 - Aug 31 with 1694 views | bsw72 |
Allow medical staff onto the pitch without stopping the game if the injury is not near play. |  | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:35 - Aug 31 with 1656 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I think we will end up with a few things slowly introduced.
Firstly, time limits on certain things, very much like the 8 seconds on keepers, which seems to be working. So 10 seconds on a throw in or it goes to the other team, 30 seconds on a free kick, unless in the attacking third in, or its an uncontested drop ball to the other side. I think this will come sooner rather than later and IFAB will see the 8 seconds of keepers as a trial for further measures.
I can also see, at some point, an official time keeper, as in Rugby and yellow cards for feigning a head injury in the top leagues where they have the benefit of VAR. |  |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:38 - Aug 31 with 1612 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:31 - Aug 31 by bsw72 |
Allow medical staff onto the pitch without stopping the game if the injury is not near play. |
Or for the opposing medical team to drag the player off by his ankles if it is near play.
In all seriousness, football is a fast moving game, how do you deal with a counter attack and the ball strikes the medical team or the player being treated suddenly jumps up to join the attack. | |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:38 - Aug 31 with 1605 views | olimar |
Yeah the bigger issue is not so much how much time is in play, although that clearly is a factor and has an obvious impact on the value for money, but on how the repeated stoppages change the whole flow of the game.
A large part of football is the momentum and how a team can build that up and change the course of a game. All the stoppages prevent that happening and its hard to know how to resolve.
To me, faking injuries is the thing- I think it might help to insist that all player treatment has to take place off the pitch, unless the physio deems it to be serious and if thats the case it adds a mandatory 3 mins of injury time.
That feels like enough of a deterrent that a team wouldnt want to be doing that 5 or 6 times as the amount of extra time would feel like a big enough punishment. But at the same time, allowing a sensible amount of time to deal with a serious injury that prevents a player from standing/walking. In honesty, how many of them are there genuinely in a game? | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:42 - Aug 31 with 1560 views | olimar |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:35 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think we will end up with a few things slowly introduced.
Firstly, time limits on certain things, very much like the 8 seconds on keepers, which seems to be working. So 10 seconds on a throw in or it goes to the other team, 30 seconds on a free kick, unless in the attacking third in, or its an uncontested drop ball to the other side. I think this will come sooner rather than later and IFAB will see the 8 seconds of keepers as a trial for further measures.
I can also see, at some point, an official time keeper, as in Rugby and yellow cards for feigning a head injury in the top leagues where they have the benefit of VAR. |
That is a good idea. Derby did a lot of that with throw ins yesterday too- the whole point of it being a throw rather than a kick-in is supposed to be for speed. | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:43 - Aug 31 with 1552 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:38 - Aug 31 by olimar |
Yeah the bigger issue is not so much how much time is in play, although that clearly is a factor and has an obvious impact on the value for money, but on how the repeated stoppages change the whole flow of the game.
A large part of football is the momentum and how a team can build that up and change the course of a game. All the stoppages prevent that happening and its hard to know how to resolve.
To me, faking injuries is the thing- I think it might help to insist that all player treatment has to take place off the pitch, unless the physio deems it to be serious and if thats the case it adds a mandatory 3 mins of injury time.
That feels like enough of a deterrent that a team wouldnt want to be doing that 5 or 6 times as the amount of extra time would feel like a big enough punishment. But at the same time, allowing a sensible amount of time to deal with a serious injury that prevents a player from standing/walking. In honesty, how many of them are there genuinely in a game? |
That's a good idea actually.
An arbitrary minimum number of minutes added every time the physio is called for, as you say, 3 minutes would be ideal. and if a player refuses the physio then play resumes immediately. | |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:46 - Aug 31 with 1530 views | oldbeardy |
any player claiming a head injury either must leave the pitch for 10 mins to be assessed (no sub) or be substituted. Would protect player safety while penalising fictitious head injuries. The team would not be penalised if genuine as would be able to sub. | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:47 - Aug 31 with 1512 views | olimar |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:43 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
That's a good idea actually.
An arbitrary minimum number of minutes added every time the physio is called for, as you say, 3 minutes would be ideal. and if a player refuses the physio then play resumes immediately. |
Yeah exactly, they have to advise the 4th official they are going to send on the physio and the 3 mins gets automatically added.
Otherwise, they can treat the player off the pitch and the referee can use his discretion to allow the game to stop for a bit immediately, but can then restart the game when he chooses. | | | |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:49 - Aug 31 with 1485 views | Trequartista |
I think the best deterrent is to add on a sufficiently appropriate amount of injury time whereby the team wasting the time find out they gained no advantage at all when they concede a 115th minute equaliser. |  |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:51 - Aug 31 with 1457 views | SheffordBlue |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:38 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Or for the opposing medical team to drag the player off by his ankles if it is near play.
In all seriousness, football is a fast moving game, how do you deal with a counter attack and the ball strikes the medical team or the player being treated suddenly jumps up to join the attack. |
Rugby is a fast moving game these days and they manage it. If the ball strikes the medical team then it should be treated in the same way as if it hits the ref. | |
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| Stopping time wasting on 12:59 - Aug 31 with 1399 views | TheMover |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:46 - Aug 31 by oldbeardy |
any player claiming a head injury either must leave the pitch for 10 mins to be assessed (no sub) or be substituted. Would protect player safety while penalising fictitious head injuries. The team would not be penalised if genuine as would be able to sub. |
I understand the thinking behind this, but, if one of our players received a genuine head injury, following a foul, during a game why should we have to play with 10 men? | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 13:03 - Aug 31 with 1363 views | bsw72 |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:38 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Or for the opposing medical team to drag the player off by his ankles if it is near play.
In all seriousness, football is a fast moving game, how do you deal with a counter attack and the ball strikes the medical team or the player being treated suddenly jumps up to join the attack. |
In the first instance stop the play as if it hits the ref and if the player suddenly recovers without leaving the playing area he gets a yellow card for simulation and the opposing team get an indirect free kick from where he was prone.
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| Stopping time wasting on 13:04 - Aug 31 with 1350 views | norfsufblue |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:51 - Aug 31 by SheffordBlue |
Rugby is a fast moving game these days and they manage it. If the ball strikes the medical team then it should be treated in the same way as if it hits the ref. |
Also its "funny" how often the "injured" player is rarely anywhere near where the ball is 😉 |  | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 13:20 - Aug 31 with 1265 views | ArnieM |
OP: bit like basketball. The clock only runs when the ball is in play…. |  |
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| Stopping time wasting on 13:26 - Aug 31 with 1228 views | RIPbobby |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:35 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think we will end up with a few things slowly introduced.
Firstly, time limits on certain things, very much like the 8 seconds on keepers, which seems to be working. So 10 seconds on a throw in or it goes to the other team, 30 seconds on a free kick, unless in the attacking third in, or its an uncontested drop ball to the other side. I think this will come sooner rather than later and IFAB will see the 8 seconds of keepers as a trial for further measures.
I can also see, at some point, an official time keeper, as in Rugby and yellow cards for feigning a head injury in the top leagues where they have the benefit of VAR. |
You actually make some sensible points in paragraph 2 that could actually come into existence. |  | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 13:27 - Aug 31 with 1217 views | oldbeardy |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:59 - Aug 31 by TheMover |
I understand the thinking behind this, but, if one of our players received a genuine head injury, following a foul, during a game why should we have to play with 10 men? |
you don't - you introduce a sub | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 13:33 - Aug 31 with 1190 views | TheBoyBlue |
For all of the criticism of the ref yesterday, I think he dealt with this the right way. He booked their players and added the time on at the end where of course we got our equaliser.
Eustace seemed to moan that they also had loads of injury time in another match. Perhaps if all refs added all the time on managers like Eustace might get the message. | |
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| Stopping time wasting on 13:49 - Aug 31 with 1128 views | Pique |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:35 - Aug 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think we will end up with a few things slowly introduced.
Firstly, time limits on certain things, very much like the 8 seconds on keepers, which seems to be working. So 10 seconds on a throw in or it goes to the other team, 30 seconds on a free kick, unless in the attacking third in, or its an uncontested drop ball to the other side. I think this will come sooner rather than later and IFAB will see the 8 seconds of keepers as a trial for further measures.
I can also see, at some point, an official time keeper, as in Rugby and yellow cards for feigning a head injury in the top leagues where they have the benefit of VAR. |
Some good suggestions here. On your second para, Mark Clattenburg (now of Gladiators fame!) has been arguing on podcasts for referees to have the power to reverse decisions along the lines you suggest. If a team takes too long over a throw-in, it goes to the other team. Too long over a goal kick - award a corner (and vice versa).
I'm not generally someone who favours too much tinkering around with the rules of the game, but I'm coming around to it because time wasting is now such a problem.
Thinking about yesterday, 30,000 people paid good money to watch a game of professional football, and what they got instead (at least in the second half) was one long exercise in gamesmanship. That can't be healthy for the sport and for the next generation watching. |  | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 14:01 - Aug 31 with 1054 views | RIPbobby |
One thing that annoys me about refs at the moment is they seem to be spending a lot of the game explaining the rules to players. | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 14:32 - Aug 31 with 952 views | soupytwist |
| Stopping time wasting on 13:49 - Aug 31 by Pique |
Some good suggestions here. On your second para, Mark Clattenburg (now of Gladiators fame!) has been arguing on podcasts for referees to have the power to reverse decisions along the lines you suggest. If a team takes too long over a throw-in, it goes to the other team. Too long over a goal kick - award a corner (and vice versa).
I'm not generally someone who favours too much tinkering around with the rules of the game, but I'm coming around to it because time wasting is now such a problem.
Thinking about yesterday, 30,000 people paid good money to watch a game of professional football, and what they got instead (at least in the second half) was one long exercise in gamesmanship. That can't be healthy for the sport and for the next generation watching. |
I do think that the possibility of overturning a throw-in if a team takes too long to take it would be good. We'd not be immune to this as we regularly take ages to organise ourselves for a throw-in. It was noticeable yesterday that Cajuste and Matusiwa did make themselves available to receive the ball from a throw and play it back to the thrower, generally in a way that made it simple to deal with. |  | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 15:06 - Aug 31 with 874 views | andytown |
| Stopping time wasting on 12:49 - Aug 31 by Trequartista |
I think the best deterrent is to add on a sufficiently appropriate amount of injury time whereby the team wasting the time find out they gained no advantage at all when they concede a 115th minute equaliser. |
The flip side of that is that we go 1 up just after the extra time is added, then the opponent has the extra time to try and equalise. That doesn’t seem very fair either | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 15:10 - Aug 31 with 846 views | Plums |
| Stopping time wasting on 14:01 - Aug 31 by RIPbobby |
One thing that annoys me about refs at the moment is they seem to be spending a lot of the game explaining the rules to players. |
Me too - particularly at penalties and free kicks. They are professionals, it is their job to know the laws, if they contravene them then it's penalised.
I don't want to pay money to watch a professional goalkeeper being told how to stand at a penalty. |  |
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| Stopping time wasting on 15:34 - Aug 31 with 731 views | BrayBlue |
Simple suggestion: if a player goes down injured and the ref is forced to stop the game then that player has to leave the pitch for 10 minutes. If it is a genuine injury then the player can be replaced immediately. But if the player wants to come back on then he has to wait 10 minutes.
It’d put a stop to the type of nonesense Derby were at yesterday.
Cheers,
JK | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 15:49 - Aug 31 with 682 views | norfsufblue |
| Stopping time wasting on 15:34 - Aug 31 by BrayBlue |
Simple suggestion: if a player goes down injured and the ref is forced to stop the game then that player has to leave the pitch for 10 minutes. If it is a genuine injury then the player can be replaced immediately. But if the player wants to come back on then he has to wait 10 minutes.
It’d put a stop to the type of nonesense Derby were at yesterday.
Cheers,
JK |
Any player claiming not to be able to continue immediately due to minor or major injury surely should be properly assessed anyway so yeah why not... worth a try. | | | |
| Stopping time wasting on 16:20 - Aug 31 with 571 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
The amount of Derby players who had head injuries was amazing. It was laughable when the Derby players laid on the ground whilst getting treatment, sat up eventually only for the physio to make him lie down again.
The keeper was called over to the bench and clearly told to go down injured and promptly did so a few minutes later.
Surely Derby fans can’t enjoy watching that every week they clearly spend a lot of time faking injury in training because you can’t be that good at it without practice. | | | |
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