| Why did the media and police lie so readily 07:20 - Sep 17 with 6912 views | onceablue |
Lie about the number of people on the Unite the Kingdom rally
Police say 110,000 on the Unite the Kingdom rally
We took 5,000 to Preston the other week.
According to the Police that means there were only 22x more people on the rally.
There was quite clearly between 500,000 to a 1,000,000 people on that protest
The Police lied because they, the media and the Government want to play down the feeling of the Country at the moment
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:10 - Sep 17 with 709 views | noggin |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:03 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
He's hardly "incensed" is he.
Why cant you lot just accept that there might be other opinions to yours, without the sarky, condescending and over the top remarks.
The problem with these subjects, is that there's often a huge middle ground of opinion which is instantly dismissed and receives the pile on from the usual suspects.
Ive said it before, I'm sure the attitudes of a few stop a lot of people from posting.
Its the same posters and the same outcome, every bloody time. |
"There was quite clearly between 500,000 to a 1,000,000 people on that protest"
That is not just an 'opinion'. They've made a statement and been asked to back it up. This is how debate works. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:11 - Sep 17 with 704 views | jayessess |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:03 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
He's hardly "incensed" is he.
Why cant you lot just accept that there might be other opinions to yours, without the sarky, condescending and over the top remarks.
The problem with these subjects, is that there's often a huge middle ground of opinion which is instantly dismissed and receives the pile on from the usual suspects.
Ive said it before, I'm sure the attitudes of a few stop a lot of people from posting.
Its the same posters and the same outcome, every bloody time. |
The tone of replies here is pretty much the same across the board. Express a silly opinion on the football board and people will be sarky, condescending, over the top in response. Express a left wing opinion on general and people who disagree will be plenty sarky, condescending, over the top (for e.g., there's someone defending Corbyn on the Burnham thread and getting just as short shrift as onceablue is getting here).
Only difference is that some conservatives here (and in wider British society) think theirs is a special order of opinion that needs to be treated like a delicate little flower and anything else "isn't free speech". [Post edited 17 Sep 9:13]
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:12 - Sep 17 with 699 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
People who spread lies and misinformation to fuel hatred and further their cause, getting all upset about other people spreading lies and misinformation. |  | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:12 - Sep 17 with 693 views | blueasfook |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:10 - Sep 17 by BlueBadger |
Sorry, I thought all the free speech enthusiasts here could handle a bit of bantz and debate. |
Bantz and debate is fine. I enjoy a bit of both myself. it's when people's opinions are shut down with abuse and insults I am talking about. But you know that. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:13 - Sep 17 with 682 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:09 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
I think the point he is making is the abuse and condescending sniping mainly comes from one specific group of posters on here.
He's not wrong. |
If you truly think there is no abuse nor condescension from the "other side", you really need to read more of the debates more carefully. There are some on both sides of the argument who do this. There are also some on both sides of it who don't. |  |
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| ….said a wise man. (n/t) on 09:14 - Sep 17 with 674 views | Bloots |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 08:45 - Sep 17 by Dubtractor |
Deleted. Can't be fooked to get involved. [Post edited 17 Sep 8:46]
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:15 - Sep 17 with 667 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:10 - Sep 17 by BlueBadger |
Sorry, I thought all the free speech enthusiasts here could handle a bit of bantz and debate. |
Instantly you prove the exact point im making.
Thank you for participating. |  | | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:16 - Sep 17 with 651 views | BlueBadger |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:15 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Instantly you prove the exact point im making.
Thank you for participating. |
I think you'll find that NO, it's YOUR mum who is fat, my friend. |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:16 - Sep 17 with 648 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:12 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
Bantz and debate is fine. I enjoy a bit of both myself. it's when people's opinions are shut down with abuse and insults I am talking about. But you know that. |
No one is shutting it down with abuse, though. If they are report it to admin.
What has been challenged is the OP's assertion that the official figures are vastly wrong. The OP has clearly taken the rally's organisers' and supporters' figures as fact. Why? | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:17 - Sep 17 with 633 views | BlueBadger |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:12 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
Bantz and debate is fine. I enjoy a bit of both myself. it's when people's opinions are shut down with abuse and insults I am talking about. But you know that. |
OP is a pretty notorious troll who turns up fishing for attention and upset. I';d have thought that you'd recognise an expert in your field. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:19 - Sep 17 with 616 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:03 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
He's hardly "incensed" is he.
Why cant you lot just accept that there might be other opinions to yours, without the sarky, condescending and over the top remarks.
The problem with these subjects, is that there's often a huge middle ground of opinion which is instantly dismissed and receives the pile on from the usual suspects.
Ive said it before, I'm sure the attitudes of a few stop a lot of people from posting.
Its the same posters and the same outcome, every bloody time. |
Firstly, onceablue hasn't just posted it as his opinion, it's clearly set out as if it's fact.
Secondly, he's not in the "middle ground", he's at an extreme.
Thirdly, aren't people commenting just offering opinions too? Why is he allowed an opinion but people aren't allowed an opinion on that opinion?
Finally, it's clearly nonsense not backed up with evidence (as others in the thread have provided).
If the attitudes of a few stop the kind of fact-free posting of the OP, then I'm all for it! |  |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:19 - Sep 17 with 614 views | blueasfook |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:16 - Sep 17 by BlueBadger |
I think you'll find that NO, it's YOUR mum who is fat, my friend. |
When you order Jimmy Carr from Temu... | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:20 - Sep 17 with 603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:09 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
I think the point he is making is the abuse and condescending sniping mainly comes from one specific group of posters on here.
He's not wrong. |
How are you posting that without falling about laughing?! | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:21 - Sep 17 with 596 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:13 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If you truly think there is no abuse nor condescension from the "other side", you really need to read more of the debates more carefully. There are some on both sides of the argument who do this. There are also some on both sides of it who don't. |
Not on here there isn't.
Im afraid that's true. | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:22 - Sep 17 with 582 views | BlueBadger |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:19 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
When you order Jimmy Carr from Temu... |
We get you? | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:23 - Sep 17 with 580 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:16 - Sep 17 by BlueBadger |
I think you'll find that NO, it's YOUR mum who is fat, my friend. |
Stop it mate, you're in danger of becoming your own tribute act. | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 with 568 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:16 - Sep 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
No one is shutting it down with abuse, though. If they are report it to admin.
What has been challenged is the OP's assertion that the official figures are vastly wrong. The OP has clearly taken the rally's organisers' and supporters' figures as fact. Why? |
Blueas isn't trolling again because he doesn't troll anymore. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 with 574 views | urbanpenguin |
Hah. i have been in and seen crowds of 100,000 and 2,000,000 and in between. No way was there 500,000 on that march.
But, beyond the numbers, i care more about the out and out fascism, right wing garbage, and hate that it is normalising. |  | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 with 559 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:17 - Sep 17 by BlueBadger |
OP is a pretty notorious troll who turns up fishing for attention and upset. I';d have thought that you'd recognise an expert in your field. |
That's why he's defending him, presumably. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 with 552 views | blueasfook |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:20 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How are you posting that without falling about laughing?! |
How dare you! I am always willing to debate in a grown up manner | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:25 - Sep 17 with 543 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:21 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Not on here there isn't.
Im afraid that's true. |
Perhaps you have some different idea of what the "two sides" are or of what constitutes abuse and condescension. As I say, report the abuse to admin if it is that bad.
There is a problem with people complaining when lies and distortions of facts are pulled up and that turning into long rambling arguments that often descend into semantics or go off on weird tangents. | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 with 548 views | waveneyblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:19 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Firstly, onceablue hasn't just posted it as his opinion, it's clearly set out as if it's fact.
Secondly, he's not in the "middle ground", he's at an extreme.
Thirdly, aren't people commenting just offering opinions too? Why is he allowed an opinion but people aren't allowed an opinion on that opinion?
Finally, it's clearly nonsense not backed up with evidence (as others in the thread have provided).
If the attitudes of a few stop the kind of fact-free posting of the OP, then I'm all for it! |
Same posters, same outcome
Rinse and repeat every time.
I do enjoy how you all rally round, is there some kind of bat signal that alerts you. | | | |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:26 - Sep 17 with 538 views | blueasfook |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:24 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Blueas isn't trolling again because he doesn't troll anymore. |
You know, not everything I post is trolling. I do have some "real" opinions! | |
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| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:27 - Sep 17 with 530 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did the media and police lie so readily on 09:23 - Sep 17 by waveneyblue |
Stop it mate, you're in danger of becoming your own tribute act. |
A good example of your "side" not using condescension or abuse here. | |
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