| EFL panel to meet today to vote… 10:26 - Sep 25 with 5575 views | SitfcB |
…on the Blackburn outcome.
By Alan Nixon
Ipswich's appeal to replay their game at Blackburn in full will be heard by an eight-person panel today.
And bizarrely one of the key members of the group is from deadly rivals Norwich City.
The Canaries nominee Zoe Webber is one of THREE Championship representatives in the judges.
Others include Middlesbrough, who are a key promotion rival to Ipswich, and Preston.
Lower division clubs have three votes while two of the EFL execs are also in on the discussions and final vote.
The decision has become a loaded issue as Blackburn want the result to stand after the 80th minute abandonment or just the replay of the closing stages against ten men.
Ipswich wants the full game and okayed 11v11 to make this a major row - that will be settled by many with a big interest in the outcome. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:30 - Sep 25 with 3407 views | GlasgowBlue |
Nixon seems desperate for Blackburn to get the points. He's posted on this every single day. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:32 - Sep 25 with 3370 views | bluejacko |
Can only see this going one way I’m afraid,we are doomed 🙄 |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:34 - Sep 25 with 3352 views | smithy69 |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:32 - Sep 25 by bluejacko |
Can only see this going one way I’m afraid,we are doomed 🙄 |
Zero chance the result stands . Will deffo be a full replay | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:36 - Sep 25 with 3303 views | Aero |
I hope Blackburn get the points.
We are a club with Premier league parachute money. We 'should' have enough to at least get in the play offs on our own and not by hand outs from games we were going to lose. |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:38 - Sep 25 with 3272 views | billlm |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:32 - Sep 25 by bluejacko |
Can only see this going one way I’m afraid,we are doomed 🙄 |
We had no points so not loosing much, |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:39 - Sep 25 with 3281 views | _clive_baker_ |
I'm beyond caring at this stage tbh.
If we replay the game then great, it gives us an opportunity to get the 3 points on a better surface. If they're given the win then a sense of being wronged might not be the worst thing for this group, sometimes it takes something like that to galvanise a squad and form a bit of a siege mentality.
The worst outcome would be to replay the remaining minutes, I think that would be the most ludicrous option. |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:41 - Sep 25 with 3251 views | Scuzzer |
Just call it a draw. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:41 - Sep 25 with 3241 views | BiGDonnie |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:36 - Sep 25 by Aero |
I hope Blackburn get the points.
We are a club with Premier league parachute money. We 'should' have enough to at least get in the play offs on our own and not by hand outs from games we were going to lose. |
Cheers budgie! |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:42 - Sep 25 with 3241 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:32 - Sep 25 by bluejacko |
Can only see this going one way I’m afraid,we are doomed 🙄 |
It would be interesting to see the (attempted) justification if they do not confirm a full replay, and they would have to be certain it was legally watertight.
Did you see the list of the very few abandoned EFL games that did not result in a full reply, and the very unique circumstances to those games?
It is very rarely not a full replay, unless the game is a dead rubber, or one of the clubs was determined to be in some way responsible for the abandonment. Based on prescient you would have to assume it will either be a full reply (most likely) or awarded to Town (as Blackburn's sh!t pitch was a significant contributor to the abandonment). | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:43 - Sep 25 with 3218 views | unbelievablue |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:42 - Sep 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It would be interesting to see the (attempted) justification if they do not confirm a full replay, and they would have to be certain it was legally watertight.
Did you see the list of the very few abandoned EFL games that did not result in a full reply, and the very unique circumstances to those games?
It is very rarely not a full replay, unless the game is a dead rubber, or one of the clubs was determined to be in some way responsible for the abandonment. Based on prescient you would have to assume it will either be a full reply (most likely) or awarded to Town (as Blackburn's sh!t pitch was a significant contributor to the abandonment). |
There's no chance they award the game to Town. That would be insane. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:45 - Sep 25 with 3174 views | SitfcB |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:30 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Nixon seems desperate for Blackburn to get the points. He's posted on this every single day. |
Got to keep his subscribers happy.
Blackburn is a club he reports a lot on, has good sources there amongst other Northern clubs it seems.
Assume you got Boro tickets ok? | |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:49 - Sep 25 with 3057 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:43 - Sep 25 by unbelievablue |
There's no chance they award the game to Town. That would be insane. |
I don't disagree, but if you look at the previous games that resulted in something other than a full replay, the decision was based on one of the teams being responsible for the abandonment.
We know that the EFL often base (justify) decisions on precedent, and the only precedent other than a fully replay, is to base it on one team have some level of 'blame' for the abandonment. As unlikely as it is, it is the only justifiable alternative to a full reply based on the evidence and logic. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:55 - Sep 25 with 2945 views | tractorboy1978 |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:49 - Sep 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I don't disagree, but if you look at the previous games that resulted in something other than a full replay, the decision was based on one of the teams being responsible for the abandonment.
We know that the EFL often base (justify) decisions on precedent, and the only precedent other than a fully replay, is to base it on one team have some level of 'blame' for the abandonment. As unlikely as it is, it is the only justifiable alternative to a full reply based on the evidence and logic. |
The most recent and relevant precedent for me is Leyton Orient vs Lincoln which was ended after 84 mins with it being 1-0 Orient due to a medical emergency. If that wasn't awarded, how could this one be? You can say we had the added factor of being down to 10 men but when Sunderland equalised with 10 the day after, it is hard to argue the game was done for us.
Seen a bit of talk of playing the final 10 mins + added time but that seems the least likely to me. No precedent in the EFL for that. [Post edited 25 Sep 10:56]
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:55 - Sep 25 with 2938 views | Smoresy |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:36 - Sep 25 by Aero |
I hope Blackburn get the points.
We are a club with Premier league parachute money. We 'should' have enough to at least get in the play offs on our own and not by hand outs from games we were going to lose. |
Nobody knows that though. We had the momentum at that time and there was probably closer to 20 minutes left to play, given time lost over the ref's equipment, time lost before the decision to officially pause the clock, and your usual add-ons for an incident-laden half. Szmodics had just missed out on a tap-in after lively work from Clarke, and Clarke was being dispossessed by puddles some minutes before the ref finally intervened.
Sounds to me like frustration or annoyance is influencing your position, but I don't see much benefit in actively wishing to make life harder for ourselves. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:01 - Sep 25 with 2856 views | _clive_baker_ |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:49 - Sep 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I don't disagree, but if you look at the previous games that resulted in something other than a full replay, the decision was based on one of the teams being responsible for the abandonment.
We know that the EFL often base (justify) decisions on precedent, and the only precedent other than a fully replay, is to base it on one team have some level of 'blame' for the abandonment. As unlikely as it is, it is the only justifiable alternative to a full reply based on the evidence and logic. |
Its obviously very unlikely but I would've suggested it in our case. We've gone up there at huge expense, we've taken 4,000 fans, we've suffered potential injury to players, a red card and suspension for this weekend to a player, yellows to others and potential future suspensions which could compromise future results, and at a stretch you could argue reputational and asset value damage owing to an opposition that haven't taken the required steps to ensure their pitch holds up in such weather (when clubs around them have and they've had such issues in the past). And b) a referee who should've called the game off long before he did. While the conditions are outside of anyone's control, the impact of them and reaction to them is borderline negligence.
We've also invested in a high value squad which is in part designed to help us finish games strongly. We've scored goals in the final 10 minutes of games more often than we haven't this season (3 in 5), so I think its impossible to argue beyond any doubt that Blackburn would've gone on to win.
To award, and reward the points to Blackburn would be farcical and potentially open a massive can of worms. Replaying the game in full is really the only conclusion they can come to IMO. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:02 - Sep 25 with 2829 views | RIPbobby |
Do EFL have a conflict of interest policy? Lol |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:03 - Sep 25 with 2806 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:55 - Sep 25 by tractorboy1978 |
The most recent and relevant precedent for me is Leyton Orient vs Lincoln which was ended after 84 mins with it being 1-0 Orient due to a medical emergency. If that wasn't awarded, how could this one be? You can say we had the added factor of being down to 10 men but when Sunderland equalised with 10 the day after, it is hard to argue the game was done for us.
Seen a bit of talk of playing the final 10 mins + added time but that seems the least likely to me. No precedent in the EFL for that. [Post edited 25 Sep 10:56]
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What's more interesting in my opinion is to look at the matches where the decision was not a full replay, to understand what precedent there could be for a different decision, and to consider if there is any similarity to our abandoned match. As far as I see it, there are none, hence why a full repay is the most likely outcome.
EFL = Evidently Flipping Lame by SuffolkPunchFC 24 Sep 12:47Give me any example when an EFL league game, rearranged for a latter date, has been played with the time limited to that left from the abandoned game?
I don't expect an answer, since you always ignore questions that undermine your proposition.
Very rarely is the answer anything other than to rearrange the match as a completely new, 90min game. Where it has been otherwise, there were very specific circumstances, and even in those the result was awarded, not replayed as a limited time game. Where awarded, it was often the situation that one team was considered to have in some way been responsible for the abandonment, or maybe the last game of the season where the outcome was irrelevant.
https://www.footballsite.co.uk/DYK/DYK01-AbandonedMatches.htm
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:08 - Sep 25 with 2721 views | RIPbobby |
How convenient if the vote goes 4-4. It would be amusing if they deem it a draw. Perhaps the Norwich lady will have deciding vote. Lol. I find this most amusing. Ridiculous really. But the again in a game of footy lots of rules are ambiguous, so it's suits the game. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:09 - Sep 25 with 2702 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:01 - Sep 25 by _clive_baker_ |
Its obviously very unlikely but I would've suggested it in our case. We've gone up there at huge expense, we've taken 4,000 fans, we've suffered potential injury to players, a red card and suspension for this weekend to a player, yellows to others and potential future suspensions which could compromise future results, and at a stretch you could argue reputational and asset value damage owing to an opposition that haven't taken the required steps to ensure their pitch holds up in such weather (when clubs around them have and they've had such issues in the past). And b) a referee who should've called the game off long before he did. While the conditions are outside of anyone's control, the impact of them and reaction to them is borderline negligence.
We've also invested in a high value squad which is in part designed to help us finish games strongly. We've scored goals in the final 10 minutes of games more often than we haven't this season (3 in 5), so I think its impossible to argue beyond any doubt that Blackburn would've gone on to win.
To award, and reward the points to Blackburn would be farcical and potentially open a massive can of worms. Replaying the game in full is really the only conclusion they can come to IMO. |
Absolutely, and - even as much as an outlier as it might be - is why I see the next alternative to a full replay would be to award us the game. It won't happen, but for me it the next option to a full replay, and way ahead of reasonable justification of the result standing.
If it went to legal council, that is what I would be arguing. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:11 - Sep 25 with 2663 views | Chris_ITFC |
“Ipswich’s appeal…”
The ref called it off, not us, Nixon! He talks like we’ve instigated this process! |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:13 - Sep 25 with 2643 views | Exiled2Surrey |
Clearly it is going to be a lively discussion given the opinion from most "unbiased" commentators seems to be that Blackburn should get the points (BBC 72+ EFL podcast, BBC website, Sky etc) everyone seems to being saying that a replay would be very unfair to Blackburn.
Add to that that there are at least two very conflicted members of the Board making this decision.
In any normal walk of life, those members would be required to step back from this decision given the clear conflict of interest, as it would be in the best interest of the EFL going forwards not to make a poor decision
But this is football | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:15 - Sep 25 with 2611 views | RIPbobby |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:11 - Sep 25 by Chris_ITFC |
“Ipswich’s appeal…”
The ref called it off, not us, Nixon! He talks like we’ve instigated this process! |
Perhaps he was insisting that one of the times the referee changes his battery(?) on his arm KM was talking to him. We planted a seed in his head perhaps. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:18 - Sep 25 with 2552 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:30 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Nixon seems desperate for Blackburn to get the points. He's posted on this every single day. |
He's basically Blackburns in-house journo with the contacts he has there.
It's a horrific clickbaity article either way framing it as 'Ipswich's appeal' rather than something that happens naturally after every abandonment.
We've been professional about this, all the external noise is coming from Blackburns end - as if they think the decision will go against them (which it will) | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:23 - Sep 25 with 2460 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Struggling to get my head around this whole "vote" thing.
FA rules are clear, its a replay.
Has any game in the past ever not been replayed in this scenario?! |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:24 - Sep 25 with 2460 views | ElderGrizzly |
Classing it as 'our appeal' is really misleading too. We aren't appealing anything, as there is no known result to appeal against.
They should be simply applying their rules and following precedent. |  | | |
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