| EFL panel to meet today to vote… 10:26 - Sep 25 with 5205 views | SitfcB |
…on the Blackburn outcome.
By Alan Nixon
Ipswich's appeal to replay their game at Blackburn in full will be heard by an eight-person panel today.
And bizarrely one of the key members of the group is from deadly rivals Norwich City.
The Canaries nominee Zoe Webber is one of THREE Championship representatives in the judges.
Others include Middlesbrough, who are a key promotion rival to Ipswich, and Preston.
Lower division clubs have three votes while two of the EFL execs are also in on the discussions and final vote.
The decision has become a loaded issue as Blackburn want the result to stand after the 80th minute abandonment or just the replay of the closing stages against ten men.
Ipswich wants the full game and okayed 11v11 to make this a major row - that will be settled by many with a big interest in the outcome. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:26 - Sep 25 with 1563 views | Pinewoodblue |
Presumably the Preston representative will be Ridsdale.
From a Blackburn perspective having a Preston nominee involved is, for them, much like us having someone from Norwich involved.
Can’t see either Blackburn or Town accepting the decision if it goes against thrm.
Perhaps we could voluntarily agree that Greaves will not be selected if the game is replayed in full.
Should the final decision go against us it might be the catalyst needed. Nothing like a feeling of injustice to build team spirit. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:27 - Sep 25 with 1549 views | tractorboy1978 |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:01 - Sep 25 by _clive_baker_ |
Its obviously very unlikely but I would've suggested it in our case. We've gone up there at huge expense, we've taken 4,000 fans, we've suffered potential injury to players, a red card and suspension for this weekend to a player, yellows to others and potential future suspensions which could compromise future results, and at a stretch you could argue reputational and asset value damage owing to an opposition that haven't taken the required steps to ensure their pitch holds up in such weather (when clubs around them have and they've had such issues in the past). And b) a referee who should've called the game off long before he did. While the conditions are outside of anyone's control, the impact of them and reaction to them is borderline negligence.
We've also invested in a high value squad which is in part designed to help us finish games strongly. We've scored goals in the final 10 minutes of games more often than we haven't this season (3 in 5), so I think its impossible to argue beyond any doubt that Blackburn would've gone on to win.
To award, and reward the points to Blackburn would be farcical and potentially open a massive can of worms. Replaying the game in full is really the only conclusion they can come to IMO. |
This is it, ultimately Blackburn couldn't put a game on. I was at the game and we were saying on the way home, it rained pretty hard don't get me wrong but not an unusual amount. It was hardly a monsoon. They could be in trouble again this season if the pitch couldn't handle those weather conditions. |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:28 - Sep 25 with 1538 views | football |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:36 - Sep 25 by Aero |
I hope Blackburn get the points.
We are a club with Premier league parachute money. We 'should' have enough to at least get in the play offs on our own and not by hand outs from games we were going to lose. |
Really? You are aware that this is a business not a charity and we need as many points as possible to aim for promotion. Sometimes I really worry about some of our fans | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:29 - Sep 25 with 1516 views | Pinewoodblue |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:24 - Sep 25 by ElderGrizzly |
Classing it as 'our appeal' is really misleading too. We aren't appealing anything, as there is no known result to appeal against.
They should be simply applying their rules and following precedent. |
Agreed. If they want to make a change it would need to be voted on by all clubs and come into effect from start of next season. | |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:30 - Sep 25 with 1498 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:23 - Sep 25 by Wallingford_Boy |
Struggling to get my head around this whole "vote" thing.
FA rules are clear, its a replay.
Has any game in the past ever not been replayed in this scenario?! |
Yes - see my link to 'outlier' abandoned games further up the thread. Very specific circumstances though, and nothing like this situation. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:32 - Sep 25 with 1480 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:26 - Sep 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Presumably the Preston representative will be Ridsdale.
From a Blackburn perspective having a Preston nominee involved is, for them, much like us having someone from Norwich involved.
Can’t see either Blackburn or Town accepting the decision if it goes against thrm.
Perhaps we could voluntarily agree that Greaves will not be selected if the game is replayed in full.
Should the final decision go against us it might be the catalyst needed. Nothing like a feeling of injustice to build team spirit. |
What would Blackburns argument legally be though? Given every precedent and the FA's own rules go against them and the fact that they could not provide a surface good enough to complete the match.
I'd be interested to see what we would do - in what world would we accept that we get to play less normal time minutes in the season than every other club? | | | |
| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 11:39 - Sep 25 with 1395 views | Bloots |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:23 - Sep 25 by Wallingford_Boy |
Struggling to get my head around this whole "vote" thing.
FA rules are clear, its a replay.
Has any game in the past ever not been replayed in this scenario?! |
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| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 11:42 - Sep 25 with 1365 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 11:39 - Sep 25 by Bloots |
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However, the EFL rules say that if they conflict with FA rules, the FA rules override EFL rules. | | | |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:02 - Sep 25 with 1242 views | franz_tyson |
I think we'll get a replay. 11 v 11.
They've got to justify it whoever they are. Any decision today will set a precedent for the future.
Blackburn not being able to provide adequate drainage for a top level club could well be the deciding issue. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:12 - Sep 25 with 1169 views | EJP |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:02 - Sep 25 by franz_tyson |
I think we'll get a replay. 11 v 11.
They've got to justify it whoever they are. Any decision today will set a precedent for the future.
Blackburn not being able to provide adequate drainage for a top level club could well be the deciding issue. |
League 2 Salford are 30 or so miles away from Blackburn. Their match was also played to completion in torrential rain on Saturday afternoon, including two goals in the last 11 minutes ... (No sendings off though). |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:13 - Sep 25 with 1148 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:02 - Sep 25 by franz_tyson |
I think we'll get a replay. 11 v 11.
They've got to justify it whoever they are. Any decision today will set a precedent for the future.
Blackburn not being able to provide adequate drainage for a top level club could well be the deciding issue. |
You don't say! |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:20 - Sep 25 with 1088 views | Guthrum |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:36 - Sep 25 by Aero |
I hope Blackburn get the points.
We are a club with Premier league parachute money. We 'should' have enough to at least get in the play offs on our own and not by hand outs from games we were going to lose. |
It isn't a hand-out, we would still have to win the replay.
If Blackburn can't possibly win in proper playing conditions (as many, including their supporters seem to imply), did they deserve a victory entirely dictated by conditions and poor drainage? |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:26 - Sep 25 with 1047 views | ArnieM |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:34 - Sep 25 by smithy69 |
Zero chance the result stands . Will deffo be a full replay |
If its that clear cut why a whole week for the ELF to make a "decision"? |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:27 - Sep 25 with 1051 views | rickw |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 10:43 - Sep 25 by unbelievablue |
There's no chance they award the game to Town. That would be insane. |
Maybe this should be our pitch - we deserve the win as they couldn't keep the game on due to their pitch - then with both clubs demanding a victory they'll decide in the middle - a full replay!
It annoys me a little this keeps being reported as being in the 80th minute... There were 79 mins on the clock, there were 7 subs that half, a red card a penalty and the ref had to go off at least once to get his mic/gadgets replaced - so you'd have thought it would have been 10+ minutes of injury time.... |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:37 - Sep 25 with 963 views | bazza |
Bottom line, we turned up in full faith to play the match at their ground, the flooding issues are Blackburn’s problem, this effected the play, could quite potential Argue influenced the red card and the penalty, and it was the officials who stopped the game. Rematch . 90 mins 11vs11 only option. |  | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:44 - Sep 25 with 897 views | FBI |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:26 - Sep 25 by ArnieM |
If its that clear cut why a whole week for the ELF to make a "decision"? |
A replay at their Gnome ground? |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:45 - Sep 25 with 897 views | VanDusen |
I'm surprised this is even going to a vote. It's not like Blackburn were 5-0 up or anything. But clearly it's in the balance. Our track record on these decisions - I'm still really rankled about 2018/9 when Bolton didn't get docked points despite not fulfilling a fixture?!! About the only time that has ever happened I think (think of how Midds lost those points in the late 90s). Although it wouldn't have kept us up it would have meant we didn't finish bottom.
Or maybe try 2002 when despite being in Europe we had to play the 2nd round of the league cup - whereas this season they created a qualifying round to avoid that.
That's the sort of luck we - and only we - get. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:52 - Sep 25 with 815 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:45 - Sep 25 by VanDusen |
I'm surprised this is even going to a vote. It's not like Blackburn were 5-0 up or anything. But clearly it's in the balance. Our track record on these decisions - I'm still really rankled about 2018/9 when Bolton didn't get docked points despite not fulfilling a fixture?!! About the only time that has ever happened I think (think of how Midds lost those points in the late 90s). Although it wouldn't have kept us up it would have meant we didn't finish bottom.
Or maybe try 2002 when despite being in Europe we had to play the 2nd round of the league cup - whereas this season they created a qualifying round to avoid that.
That's the sort of luck we - and only we - get. |
I don't think it's in the balance at all, it is just going through due process
It's just that as Town fans we feel this is the type of thing that always happens to us!
Take emotion & bias out of it, and Ipswich have fulfilled all obligations to staging a football match and any abandonment was not caused by us. Every club has the right to have 90 normal minutes of play.
I'm not even sure if we were 5-0 down with 2 minutes to play, it wouldn't be a full replay ordered. | | | |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:59 - Sep 25 with 768 views | Illinoisblue |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 11:24 - Sep 25 by ElderGrizzly |
Classing it as 'our appeal' is really misleading too. We aren't appealing anything, as there is no known result to appeal against.
They should be simply applying their rules and following precedent. |
Nixon is a s5ithouse for framing it as us appealing. Absolute s5ithouse. |  |
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 13:21 - Sep 25 with 648 views | djgooder |
| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 12:44 - Sep 25 by FBI |
A replay at their Gnome ground? |
I thought it was the Earth Liberation Front - which is a radical climate group |  | | |
| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 13:46 - Sep 25 with 544 views | Trequartista |
| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 11:42 - Sep 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
However, the EFL rules say that if they conflict with FA rules, the FA rules override EFL rules. |
Why would they write conflicting rules and then say, in the same rulebook, that the conflicting rules have no effect?
What if the FA have a rule about conflicting rules in their rulebook that conflicts with the EFL rule about conflicting rules? Does the EFL rule about conflicting rules that gives preference to the FA rules no longer apply because it conflicts with the FA ruling about conflicting rules? [Post edited 25 Sep 13:47]
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| EFL panel to meet today to vote… on 13:51 - Sep 25 with 508 views | jayessess |
Probably best to just let all the speculation wash over you until we have a decision to agree/disagree with. |  |
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| Is this real? on 14:01 - Sep 25 with 429 views | Dyland |
It's a mockery if the panel has so many coflicts of interest. If this is correct it has all the hallmarks of a Kangaroo court. Farcical and inept. But this is the EFL I guess. Even more incompetent and up its own arris than the FA?
Surely a windup.
EDIT: Actually literal lollers this going to a vote! Ridiculous. What are the rules ffs! Is the rule that the EFL merry pranksters get to have a vote to decide stuff? Arbitrary to say the least. [Post edited 25 Sep 14:04]
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| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 14:23 - Sep 25 with 306 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| It’s an EFL decision, not the FA. (n/t) on 13:46 - Sep 25 by Trequartista |
Why would they write conflicting rules and then say, in the same rulebook, that the conflicting rules have no effect?
What if the FA have a rule about conflicting rules in their rulebook that conflicts with the EFL rule about conflicting rules? Does the EFL rule about conflicting rules that gives preference to the FA rules no longer apply because it conflicts with the FA ruling about conflicting rules? [Post edited 25 Sep 13:47]
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From your question I'm guessing you're not familiar with typical legal documents or contracts? That's not intended as a criticism - few people have this experience.
It is very common with contracts, rulebooks, bylaws, etc for there to be a collection of authorities with a vested interest, and each will have written 'their' rules in isolation. It won't be a case that they wrote them with the intent for them to be in conflict, however given the size of many of these 'legal' documents, and the history (changing regularly over time), it's is almost impossible to be 100% sure that they never get 'out of step'.
It such cases, there is usually one authority that is considered the ultimate authority, and therefore in the subservient authorities' laws you write an article that says that 'in the event of a conflict in the laws/rules, XXX's shall prevail'.
In this case the EFL has this, and the FA>EFL where a conflict arises. | | | |
| Is this real? on 14:35 - Sep 25 with 232 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is this real? on 14:01 - Sep 25 by Dyland |
It's a mockery if the panel has so many coflicts of interest. If this is correct it has all the hallmarks of a Kangaroo court. Farcical and inept. But this is the EFL I guess. Even more incompetent and up its own arris than the FA?
Surely a windup.
EDIT: Actually literal lollers this going to a vote! Ridiculous. What are the rules ffs! Is the rule that the EFL merry pranksters get to have a vote to decide stuff? Arbitrary to say the least. [Post edited 25 Sep 14:04]
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"EDIT: Actually literal lollers this going to a vote! Ridiculous. What are the rules ffs! Is the rule that the EFL merry pranksters get to have a vote to decide stuff? Arbitrary to say the least."
There are various reasons that it might need to go to the committee that are NOT related to the decision on replay vs result being awarded e.g.
- the rules say that if the clubs can't agree on a rescheduled date, the EFL with discuss and impose a date
- there are costs that can be awarded to the visiting team for the abandonment, and the EFL will decide on these
- Blackburn pushing for an unreasonable / unprecedented decision
So, before jumping to conclusions, it's useful to understand all the rules and conditions in play. [Post edited 25 Sep 14:47]
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