| Everyone waking up this morning 08:03 - Oct 3 with 1624 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
And wondering how the football authorities can still think VAR is fit for purpose?
Only way around this is to prevent a remote observer from taking the final decision, it MUST be shown to the referee for a decision.
Unbelievable this wasn’t given. Pack the experiment up and put it away, it’s failed.
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:16 - Oct 3 with 1345 views | Zx1988 |
Baffling.
Even if it has touched his arm, wasn't it agreed a couple of seasons back that the 't-shirt zone' wasn't to be considered a handball? |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:18 - Oct 3 with 1321 views | Metal_Hacker |
Mr Magoo territory innit |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:19 - Oct 3 with 1317 views | Herbivore |
That's absolutely bizarre. I guess there's a possibility there's the faintest of touches off his upper arm before it smacks him in the face but that's not remotely clear from the footage, certainly nowhere near enough evidence to call it a clear and obvious error and overrule the on field decision. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:41 - Oct 3 with 1183 views | Keno |
Funny you should say this Chelty when I woke up this morning I'd been dreaming about spending Sunday lunchtime with Jenna Coleman and, as Towns 5 goal went in a thunderb'stard free lick from Nunez 45 years out, she looked up at me and said 'If there has been VAR I wonder if that free kick would had been give, cos that Chetly bloke if right isnt ge' |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:44 - Oct 3 with 1163 views | surreyblue |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:41 - Oct 3 by Keno |
Funny you should say this Chelty when I woke up this morning I'd been dreaming about spending Sunday lunchtime with Jenna Coleman and, as Towns 5 goal went in a thunderb'stard free lick from Nunez 45 years out, she looked up at me and said 'If there has been VAR I wonder if that free kick would had been give, cos that Chetly bloke if right isnt ge' |
Slightly different from my dream last night where we got beaten 4-3 away to Forest Green! | | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:44 - Oct 3 with 1161 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:41 - Oct 3 by Keno |
Funny you should say this Chelty when I woke up this morning I'd been dreaming about spending Sunday lunchtime with Jenna Coleman and, as Towns 5 goal went in a thunderb'stard free lick from Nunez 45 years out, she looked up at me and said 'If there has been VAR I wonder if that free kick would had been give, cos that Chetly bloke if right isnt ge' |
Nice to see Jenna is still thinking about me. | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:47 - Oct 3 with 1136 views | Keno |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:44 - Oct 3 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Nice to see Jenna is still thinking about me. |
She very impressed by what you put up | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:51 - Oct 3 with 1096 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Totally agree with you. I just don't know what world they're living in if they've given that as handball. It's either stupidity or corruption. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:52 - Oct 3 with 1095 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:47 - Oct 3 by Keno |
She very impressed by what you put up |
Not the first, won’t be the last.
Mrs Chelters is far less impressed, all I get from her when I put things up is, “oh my god, are you still putting things up there? It’s gone 10”
I’m glad when she goes to work and I can put as much up as I want. | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:54 - Oct 3 with 1064 views | Swansea_Blue |
Ridiculous decision. I’d be double checking bank accounts over something like that. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:57 - Oct 3 with 1049 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 08:51 - Oct 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Totally agree with you. I just don't know what world they're living in if they've given that as handball. It's either stupidity or corruption. |
I was inclined to go with corrupt watching it live. I cannot understand how someone with access to the footage, gives that, knowing that everyone watching can see the exact same, unless there’s a bet on somewhere. | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:00 - Oct 3 with 1014 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
WOW, THATS CRAZY.
VAR is def ruining top flight football. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:02 - Oct 3 with 1003 views | Basuco |
VAR is the perfect tool to correct referee mistakes, nothing wrong with VAR, the fact that referees make so many poor decisions even with slow motion replays does not make it wrong. That was a plain and simple referee mistake, nothing to do with VAR. |  | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:05 - Oct 3 with 971 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:02 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
VAR is the perfect tool to correct referee mistakes, nothing wrong with VAR, the fact that referees make so many poor decisions even with slow motion replays does not make it wrong. That was a plain and simple referee mistake, nothing to do with VAR. |
VAR is a combination of both the technology and the person reviewing the footage, so this is very much to do with VAR. | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:08 - Oct 3 with 949 views | witchdoctor |
VAR bods need permanently excluded from doing it again… |  | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:10 - Oct 3 with 929 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:02 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
VAR is the perfect tool to correct referee mistakes, nothing wrong with VAR, the fact that referees make so many poor decisions even with slow motion replays does not make it wrong. That was a plain and simple referee mistake, nothing to do with VAR. |
What are you talking about? Have you watched the clip? The referee doesn't give it as handball, he's informed it by the VAR monkeys. | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:12 - Oct 3 with 912 views | _clive_baker_ |
Its so annoying. VAR's existence brings compromise in a lot of areas, slowing the game down, long breaks in play, erosion of that pure release when a goal is scored for fear of it being scratched off. I think the downside is known, the question is whether the upside is big enough to result in a net positive.
I see it like a speed limit on a road, a 100mph limit would increase productivity, but the downside is there would be more severe accidents, greater risk to public health etc. At 10mph instead of 70mph we would eradicate accidents, but at what cost?
VAR in football is the equivalent to setting speed limits on A roads to 40mph. OK it probably gets more decisions right than if its not there, but we're still not getting everything right, there's still plenty of blinding errors and at what cost to the game? Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag with it, I can't see us going back.
I would bin it off entirely, I'm all for goal line tech and automated offsides if we can get there, but anything that needs refs or 2 guys in a van to watch a screen 30 times isn't a workable solution. Bin it off, invest in technology and training to help referees get more calls right, and accept they'll make mistakes. |  | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:18 - Oct 3 with 864 views | Basuco |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:10 - Oct 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What are you talking about? Have you watched the clip? The referee doesn't give it as handball, he's informed it by the VAR monkeys. |
My point is that VAR is not automated technology, it is simply a referee looking at a replay of an incident. The question is how did this particular referee and his assistant come to that decision? It is not a VAR failure, it is yet another clearly incorrect referee decision. | | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:23 - Oct 3 with 835 views | Bad_Boy_Mark |
An utterly disgraceful decision...I've been saying this for a while but I simply don't understand the game any more.
I really hope we don't suffer this type of officiating on Sunday  |  | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:24 - Oct 3 with 827 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:18 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
My point is that VAR is not automated technology, it is simply a referee looking at a replay of an incident. The question is how did this particular referee and his assistant come to that decision? It is not a VAR failure, it is yet another clearly incorrect referee decision. |
That is VAR, is it not? Video assisted refereeing. Its not purely the provision of the replay and watching it, surely its the whole process of interpreting it and decision making off the back of it? | | | |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:37 - Oct 3 with 733 views | Herbivore |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:18 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
My point is that VAR is not automated technology, it is simply a referee looking at a replay of an incident. The question is how did this particular referee and his assistant come to that decision? It is not a VAR failure, it is yet another clearly incorrect referee decision. |
What does the R stand for in VAR again? | |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:45 - Oct 3 with 689 views | Garv |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:02 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
VAR is the perfect tool to correct referee mistakes, nothing wrong with VAR, the fact that referees make so many poor decisions even with slow motion replays does not make it wrong. That was a plain and simple referee mistake, nothing to do with VAR. |
The goal was disallowed because VAR exists.
VAR exists because there's too much money in the game and everyone is entitled. Fans, managers, players, owners. I'll always go back to Charlie Austin and Warnock and their pathetic rants about decisions that went against them pre-VAR. The authorities pandered to them and introduced technology as an excuse to start re-refereeing subjective decisions.
Other spots must p*ss themselves laughing at football. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:52 - Oct 3 with 636 views | blueasfook |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:37 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
What does the R stand for in VAR again? |
How is VAR initiated? I mean does the ref decide he needs a second opinion and goes to VAR for a decision or does VAR "step in" as it were and say "Oi, we think you got that call wrong"? I am not sure. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 10:04 - Oct 3 with 589 views | Guthrum |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:12 - Oct 3 by _clive_baker_ |
Its so annoying. VAR's existence brings compromise in a lot of areas, slowing the game down, long breaks in play, erosion of that pure release when a goal is scored for fear of it being scratched off. I think the downside is known, the question is whether the upside is big enough to result in a net positive.
I see it like a speed limit on a road, a 100mph limit would increase productivity, but the downside is there would be more severe accidents, greater risk to public health etc. At 10mph instead of 70mph we would eradicate accidents, but at what cost?
VAR in football is the equivalent to setting speed limits on A roads to 40mph. OK it probably gets more decisions right than if its not there, but we're still not getting everything right, there's still plenty of blinding errors and at what cost to the game? Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag with it, I can't see us going back.
I would bin it off entirely, I'm all for goal line tech and automated offsides if we can get there, but anything that needs refs or 2 guys in a van to watch a screen 30 times isn't a workable solution. Bin it off, invest in technology and training to help referees get more calls right, and accept they'll make mistakes. |
It really needs to be used in the same way as non-technical* video assistance in pretty much every other sport - an on-field decision is made, then requires clear evidence on video to overturn it. That includes no change if there isn't a decent camera angle. In rugby, the replays are shown on the big screen, with the refs watching on, so everyone can see (and now often also hear) the process.
* i.e. Not Hawkeye, Snicko and other empirical-mathematical systems. |  |
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| Everyone waking up this morning on 10:54 - Oct 3 with 480 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Everyone waking up this morning on 09:18 - Oct 3 by Basuco |
My point is that VAR is not automated technology, it is simply a referee looking at a replay of an incident. The question is how did this particular referee and his assistant come to that decision? It is not a VAR failure, it is yet another clearly incorrect referee decision. |
So you haven't watched the clip then. The referee doesn't look at a replay of the incident, the VAR goons instruct him. So of course it is a VAR failure. | |
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