| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction 16:10 - Oct 7 with 2357 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
What do you think is the appropriate response in terms of punishment from the Football League to a team who gain promotion to the Premier League having been ruled to have cheated Financial rules?
I have no axe to grind with Leicester as a Club, and have a large degree of sympathy that the financial chaos at the Club has been precipitated by the helicopter crash that killed their owner.
So, talking primarily in the abstract here, rather than specifically about Leicester, I would hope that, as a minimum, sanctions reflect the number of years that a team gained an unfair competitive advantage from cheating Financial Rules.
So if a club gets promoted with a financially doped team, they gained an advantage then year they were promoted and every subsequent year in the Premier League, as they gained massively increased TV revenue, and then every year that they received parachute payments.
So should a team be promoted, come down after one season in the Prem, then receive two years of parachute payments, then I would want them to receive penalty points for their next four years in the Football League.
If they are promoted, and stay in the Premier League for two years, then they would gain three years of parachute payments, and so I believe they should receive the points deduction for each of their next six years in the Football League.
If a team "financially doped" to the extent that it gave them a clear competitive advantage over rivals, then I would expect the tariff to be something in the region of 20 points, which would then apply for each and every one of the seasons according to the calculation above.
20 points puts a team down two "categories" in the table. From 90 points to 70 points moves you from probable automatic promotion to just missing the Play Offs.
75 to 55 takes you from Play Offs to mid reaches.
55 to 35 from mid reaches to battling with relegation.
45 to 25 from lower mid table to relegation.
That seems a fair tariff to me, for a team that has cheated to rise up by a category or more. And to penalise them in the same way for every season they gained a competitive advantage from that cheating also seems fair, and a proper deterrent to others.
I wouldn't even see that as having a particularly punitive element- it just seems fair to me. |  | | |  |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 16:21 - Oct 7 with 2246 views | Ralphinho |
Whilst I admire the savviness, the fact they battled it out with EFL previously and only avoided punishment through a loophole makes me think that the EFL will look to make an example of them. Not talking a crazy deduction, but as much as reasonably practicable. 20-25pts feels fair.
However, I fully anticipate this will be a 5pts slap on the wrists. Maximum.. Maybe 3pts.. | |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 16:23 - Oct 7 with 2216 views | Illinoisblue |
Define “impending”. Let’s hope it’s a little more imminent than Man City getting punished for the 115.
Leicester’s punishment should be having 30 points docked. I think that’s fair and reasonable. |  |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 16:32 - Oct 7 with 2128 views | Mookamoo |
Is it just a points deduction they face, or could they also get banned from a couple transfer windows.
Whatever they get it will be farce. Probably 15 points reduced to 4 die some spurious reason. |  | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:04 - Oct 7 with 1930 views | reusersfreekicks |
Abolish the club? |  | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:45 - Oct 7 with 1784 views | NthQldITFC |
You have to have unambiguous financial rules to maintain the sporting aspect of the sport.
You have to have open and transparent accounting.
You have to have severe and meaningful penalties to make non-compliance entirely undesirable.
You have to come down really hard on any transgressors, i.e. cheats, quickly and without exception.
It's not a business, it's a sport. Sod the money men.
I'd go along broadly with your penalties, but I think an unfair competitive advantage penalty ought to be more like 30 points AND mean automatic exclusion from promotion if they've still got enough points after that deduction. |  |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:49 - Oct 7 with 1757 views | Keno |
They can only play the Smiths through the PA system
That’ll learn them |  |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:51 - Oct 7 with 1739 views | StokieBlue |
According to the expert who was on the Second Tier podcast they could get two punishments this season. The EFL and PL have closed the loophole they used last time and have agreed to work together on implementing punishments.
He also though that the EFL would be very punitive because a lot of the people implementing the punishments were annoyed at Leicester continually looking for loopholes.
Guess we will find out if he's right.
SB |  | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:58 - Oct 7 with 1691 views | WeWereZombies |
If we take the case of Rangers F.C. in the previous decade:
'On 14 June 2012, hours after the CVA's rejection, Sevco Scotland Ltd, a new company formed by Charles Green's consortium for this eventuality completed the purchase of the business and assets of The Rangers Football Club Plc and then, on 18 June 2012, formally applied to acquire the SPL share of The Rangers Football Club plc. On 4 July, SPL clubs voted by 10–1 to reject the application with Kilmarnock abstaining and the old Rangers company voting in favour. Thereafter, an application to the Scottish Football League was successful with Rangers securing associate membership on 13 July 2012 at an SFL meeting by a vote of 29–1. The SFL member clubs voted that Rangers should enter the fourth tier of Scottish Football, Scottish Third Division for the 2012–13 season, rather than the Scottish First Division.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.#Ownership_and_finances
Difficult to apply mid-season but a solution could be to void all of Leicester's 2025/26 fixtures, relegate only two clubs from the second tier maybe but promote three from the third all the same, only three down from the third and retain the four promoted from the fourth tier with Leicester starting a new chapter in their troubled history as a club at the bottom of the football league pyramid in 2026/27 ? [Post edited 7 Oct 18:00]
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:00 - Oct 7 with 1666 views | WeWereZombies |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:49 - Oct 7 by Keno |
They can only play the Smiths through the PA system
That’ll learn them |
That would get the supporters singing 'Hang the DJ'... | |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:04 - Oct 7 with 1645 views | Keno |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:00 - Oct 7 by WeWereZombies |
That would get the supporters singing 'Hang the DJ'... |
By singing do you mean incoherently mumbling very tunefully? | |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:07 - Oct 7 with 1622 views | WeWereZombies |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:04 - Oct 7 by Keno |
By singing do you mean incoherently mumbling very tunefully? |
With gladioli sticking out of the backs of their trousers too... | |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:17 - Oct 7 with 1566 views | Simonds92 |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:58 - Oct 7 by WeWereZombies |
If we take the case of Rangers F.C. in the previous decade:
'On 14 June 2012, hours after the CVA's rejection, Sevco Scotland Ltd, a new company formed by Charles Green's consortium for this eventuality completed the purchase of the business and assets of The Rangers Football Club Plc and then, on 18 June 2012, formally applied to acquire the SPL share of The Rangers Football Club plc. On 4 July, SPL clubs voted by 10–1 to reject the application with Kilmarnock abstaining and the old Rangers company voting in favour. Thereafter, an application to the Scottish Football League was successful with Rangers securing associate membership on 13 July 2012 at an SFL meeting by a vote of 29–1. The SFL member clubs voted that Rangers should enter the fourth tier of Scottish Football, Scottish Third Division for the 2012–13 season, rather than the Scottish First Division.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.#Ownership_and_finances
Difficult to apply mid-season but a solution could be to void all of Leicester's 2025/26 fixtures, relegate only two clubs from the second tier maybe but promote three from the third all the same, only three down from the third and retain the four promoted from the fourth tier with Leicester starting a new chapter in their troubled history as a club at the bottom of the football league pyramid in 2026/27 ? [Post edited 7 Oct 18:00]
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This is not even close to being the same kind of case on which the precedent can be set. | | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:22 - Oct 7 with 1538 views | WeWereZombies |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:17 - Oct 7 by Simonds92 |
This is not even close to being the same kind of case on which the precedent can be set. |
I know, I'm being provocative. But if we consider the severity of punishment proposed in the OP then the effect might not be so different, and it gives Leicester a tabula rasa on which to rebuild their reputation from the start of next season rather than going into x number of years with a grinding screw of points deductions. Better for players and staff joining the club, better for the supporters, everyone knows where they stand. | |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:24 - Oct 7 with 1520 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:17 - Oct 7 by Simonds92 |
This is not even close to being the same kind of case on which the precedent can be set. |
Agreed - it's ridiculous to try to draw parallels with the Rangers collapse. | | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:38 - Oct 7 with 1446 views | Blue_Heath |
I'll be amazed if points are docked, they are going to be a rival once the league settles down. | | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 18:42 - Oct 7 with 1436 views | mellowblue |
They will blame it on Gary Lineker and he will be punished by a flogging and 6 weeks in the stocks. Seems fair to me. | | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 19:13 - Oct 7 with 1299 views | Mark |
This just drags on and on and on. A Leicester points deduction would certainly help our promotion bid. The talk in the summer was of a 9 point deduction, which would currently take them down to 20th place in the table on 7 points. |  | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 20:17 - Oct 7 with 1045 views | MattinLondon |
A sensible and appropriate punishment would be that Michael McIntyre will have to be employed as their clubs pre-match and half-time entertainer. |  | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 20:48 - Oct 7 with 916 views | Pinewoodblue |
Was reading earlier that .Leicester’s wage bill is almost £15m higher than ours.
They clearly haven’t learnt their lesson.
I think they will be docked 15 pts, reduced on appeal to 9pts. Also a 2, or 3, transfer enbargo for next three windows, |  |
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| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 12:25 - Oct 8 with 402 views | Everydayblue |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 17:49 - Oct 7 by Keno |
They can only play the Smiths through the PA system
That’ll learn them |
"Heaven knows I'm miserable now"
Think Nodge have got the rights to that one, atm. | | | |
| Seeing discussion of Leicester's impending points deduction on 12:27 - Oct 8 with 384 views | Everydayblue |
9pts seems to be a figure thats being touted around on a few Pods.
Still think they could get top 6 with that kind of deduction. | | | |
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