| What the fck is wrong with swearing? 11:22 - Oct 8 with 2435 views | bluelagos |
That thread is quite an eye opener, lots of valid opinions but underlying it is a belief that kids swearing is wrong?
Why is it? If we are quite at ease at adults using industrial language why would it bother us if kids do too?
It may not fit our image of sweet little kids but at the end of the day it's just a child acting in a grown up manner, which it seems to me is what we want them to do...
So what's the issue? Struggling to see why anyone would let it worry them. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 13:44 - Oct 8 with 696 views | FrimleyBlue |
I dont mind swearing
However, words like C, i really dont like, it's just not nice, sounds awful and really aggressive |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 13:48 - Oct 8 with 687 views | bartyg |
Might be a generational thing as I don't really care about it at all. If someone else swearing was the biggest problem in my life then I'd be quite grateful |  | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 13:52 - Oct 8 with 670 views | WeWereZombies |
If you start using swear words then you have already lost whatever argument or 'bold' stance you are adopting, use your brain to reason with instead. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 14:07 - Oct 8 with 623 views | EddyJ |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 13:44 - Oct 8 by FrimleyBlue |
I dont mind swearing
However, words like C, i really dont like, it's just not nice, sounds awful and really aggressive |
Going to disagree strongly with this.
There is something wonderfully abrupt and germanic about words like c()nt and f()ck that gives them a real presence in a sentence. Its definitely a case of form fitting function.
Not to mention the versatility of said words. |  | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 14:10 - Oct 8 with 629 views | bluelagos |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 12:33 - Oct 8 by MattinLondon |
I don’t have any issue with swearing and I swear fairly often - but not in front of my young kids. And I don’t like it when people swear loudly in front of them.
I know that this is my issue but I don’t want my young’uns to grow up and act like an adult before their time. To me the grown-up world is scary - social media, hatred based on skin colour and mindless arseholes. And to me swearing is one of those small things which reminds me that they will grow up very quickly.
Not that long ago my youngest burst into tears because he couldn’t comprehend why there are homeless people on the streets ‘why don’t their mummies and daddies help them? And it upset him.
I want them to stay innocent for as long as it’s reasonable. To find excitement in very small thing, to believe in Father Christmas and not to have anything to worry about out apart from what game to play next.
I know that I’m going all over the place in my reply and I apologise. But swearing or being exposed to a lot of it is just another reminder that the adult world can be s**t. |
For me you've hit the nail on the head - imagine getting angry over strangers swearing rather than the fact that we live in a society where some people are homeless.
There are so many things that are proper messed up in our world - and to get angry over something as trivial as the type of language people use - it's right up there with people who get upset over a misplaced apostrophe.
Think that's the bit I can't get my head round - that that is the issue that gets some people upset. [Post edited 8 Oct 14:18]
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 17:52 - Oct 8 with 523 views | NthQldITFC |
I flicked a stick up on my gravel bike today and it struck me on the shin. "Cnt!" I said, but it didn't do me any good. Nor did it do anyone any harm because the only thing within earshot was a kestrel. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 18:04 - Oct 8 with 514 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 11:33 - Oct 8 by EddyJ |
Intent is so much more important than the word used:
"I'm going to break your leg"
"You deserve to have your leg broken"
"You are a tw@t"
"How are you doing, me old c()nt?"
IMO, these statements get less offensive as you go down. The first expresses a violent threat. The second expresses a sentiment that you would be happy with violence, even if you did not perpetrait it. The third is a negative, but not threatening statement. The final one uses a rude word in a non-negative context.
I would not be upset if my children used 3 or 4 in an appropriate context. I would be very upset if they said 1.
This is why sexual swear words (f()ck, c()nt etc...) have become more acceptable over time and discriminatory swear words (ni88er, fa88ot, sp@stic etc...) have become less acceptable. The latter group have an in-built context which is inherently offensive. The former do not. [Post edited 8 Oct 11:38]
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 23:32 - Oct 8 with 474 views | LuciBlue |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 11:43 - Oct 8 by DJR |
I can't say I am a fan of adult swearing either, and try to avoid doing it as much as I can.
If nothing else, constant swearing lessens the impact of what is being said to be point it becomes meaningless, as in the case of the not very funny (to my mind) Australian sketch on the current Mitchell and Webb series. [Post edited 8 Oct 11:45]
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That M&W weekly joke became tiresome very quickly. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:01 - Oct 9 with 448 views | rkc123 |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 17:52 - Oct 8 by NthQldITFC |
I flicked a stick up on my gravel bike today and it struck me on the shin. "Cnt!" I said, but it didn't do me any good. Nor did it do anyone any harm because the only thing within earshot was a kestrel. |
It probably did do you a little good actually as there is research that shows that letting out the plosive sounds usually found in swear words (such as hard t, f, k etc) actually increases our pain tolerance. [Post edited 9 Oct 0:02]
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:47 - Oct 9 with 423 views | Cotty |
Quite apart from the language, that could easily get them kicked out of school, the level of aggression in that description is not something I would condone in my children. [Post edited 9 Oct 11:42]
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:50 - Oct 9 with 423 views | Cotty |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 11:43 - Oct 8 by DJR |
I can't say I am a fan of adult swearing either, and try to avoid doing it as much as I can.
If nothing else, constant swearing lessens the impact of what is being said to be point it becomes meaningless, as in the case of the not very funny (to my mind) Australian sketch on the current Mitchell and Webb series. [Post edited 8 Oct 11:45]
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This is the best point on the thread. That sketch is dog sh*t. (Please excuse my language). Swear until funny is truly the lowest form of wit. And M&W are among my comedy heroes. | | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 05:45 - Oct 9 with 371 views | djgooder |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 14:10 - Oct 8 by bluelagos |
For me you've hit the nail on the head - imagine getting angry over strangers swearing rather than the fact that we live in a society where some people are homeless.
There are so many things that are proper messed up in our world - and to get angry over something as trivial as the type of language people use - it's right up there with people who get upset over a misplaced apostrophe.
Think that's the bit I can't get my head round - that that is the issue that gets some people upset. [Post edited 8 Oct 14:18]
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I don’t think having a hierarchy of bad things is a great approach. There is another thread somewhere on people not cleaning up after their dogs. What about litter in the street?
If we can’t even solve these things we stand no chance solving homelessness, holding our politicians to account etc.
And I am coming don’t a point where I know i swear far to much myself, but reading and being a part of these threads makes me think I swear less than a lot on here.
I’ve been thinking is it like Maslow hierarchy of needs? At the bottom could be issues like swearing, littering the streets etc. further up is family values, local community further up homelessness, addictions. Further up is political will, at the top in the extreme is globalisation and the tearing down of barriers.
I know this might be taking the point to the extreme so apologies for that. But reading so many people on these threads saying bad language is normalised and absolutely fine is slightly depressing to me.
I am genuinely going to consider a strategy where I swear less. AI has suggested me a diary to understand when and why i swear. |  | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 06:43 - Oct 9 with 349 views | tiptreeblue |
It was a sign of respect and manners, which sadly has gone from society these days, and in my opinion is what is wrong with society today. | | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 07:12 - Oct 9 with 325 views | JimmyJazz |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:50 - Oct 9 by Cotty |
This is the best point on the thread. That sketch is dog sh*t. (Please excuse my language). Swear until funny is truly the lowest form of wit. And M&W are among my comedy heroes. |
The whole series was rubbish with the Aussie sketch the main offender made me notice most of the sketches were using excessive swearing none of which was amusing and yes they are comic heroes but that show was awful |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 08:10 - Oct 9 with 276 views | DJR |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 07:12 - Oct 9 by JimmyJazz |
The whole series was rubbish with the Aussie sketch the main offender made me notice most of the sketches were using excessive swearing none of which was amusing and yes they are comic heroes but that show was awful |
One thing I particularly dislike is comedians or comedy shows using swear words for comic effect to make up for the fact that the actual sketch is not funny, and the audience going along with it because it is edgy.
The Fast Show is evidence that it needn't be that way. |  | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 08:18 - Oct 9 with 270 views | bluelagos |
Some interesting points - but let me try again.
Firstly the double standards here is quite amusing - "I swear but get upset when little Johnnie does" - I am at least consistent - as in I swear and don't give a toss when other people do it.
Anyhow - as for the "It's a bad parenting angle" - I'd argue the opposite. A parent who constrains their kids, who teaches them to follow rules as if they are the be all and end all - that is poor parenting.
For me, providing kids with an environment where they can safely push boundaries, where they can maybe cross a line or two without huge consequences, where they can express themselves, engage in banter and learn from it - what is wrong with that?
Kid singing to Naaridge fans songs about "shagging your sister" - we really upset if a child joins in? Why?
Of course there are lines - kid joins in with anything homophobic or racist (Thankfully rarely heard now) - perfect chance to establish some boundaries.
And I'd draw a line for sexist songs too - using the term whore as an insult - not for me.
But simply dropping an f-bomb or two - nah, just don't have an issue.
Regularly took ny nephews to the match in the late 90s - they got a chance to swear, eat hamburgers and shout a lot - all things that didn't go down well in their house. They turned out ok - one has just got his PHD doctorate and the other runs a skydiving business overseas.
Funnily enough the one overseas talks well posh, says it helps him get business etc. So he learned a "time and place" too.
Bit of a ramble - and an interesting topic (Why I started it) - even if lots more people sit on the other side of the debate than me (which is cool) - not the first time and sure it won't be the last either. | |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:22 - Oct 9 with 241 views | baxterbasics |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 08:10 - Oct 9 by DJR |
One thing I particularly dislike is comedians or comedy shows using swear words for comic effect to make up for the fact that the actual sketch is not funny, and the audience going along with it because it is edgy.
The Fast Show is evidence that it needn't be that way. |
Yep - think about some of the greats. Tommy Cooper. Bob Monkhouse. The Two Ronnies. Sure there might have been some smart innuendo at play but they didn't need to emphasise their gags with F-Bombs. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:26 - Oct 9 with 237 views | NthQldITFC |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:01 - Oct 9 by rkc123 |
It probably did do you a little good actually as there is research that shows that letting out the plosive sounds usually found in swear words (such as hard t, f, k etc) actually increases our pain tolerance. [Post edited 9 Oct 0:02]
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Ah yes, well that was my reasoning at the time, but I wasn't convinced that it had had the desired effect. The kestrel did give me a funny look though. | |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:28 - Oct 9 with 232 views | WeWereZombies |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:26 - Oct 9 by NthQldITFC |
Ah yes, well that was my reasoning at the time, but I wasn't convinced that it had had the desired effect. The kestrel did give me a funny look though. |
You must be quite eagle eyed to spot that... | |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:40 - Oct 9 with 219 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 08:18 - Oct 9 by bluelagos |
Some interesting points - but let me try again.
Firstly the double standards here is quite amusing - "I swear but get upset when little Johnnie does" - I am at least consistent - as in I swear and don't give a toss when other people do it.
Anyhow - as for the "It's a bad parenting angle" - I'd argue the opposite. A parent who constrains their kids, who teaches them to follow rules as if they are the be all and end all - that is poor parenting.
For me, providing kids with an environment where they can safely push boundaries, where they can maybe cross a line or two without huge consequences, where they can express themselves, engage in banter and learn from it - what is wrong with that?
Kid singing to Naaridge fans songs about "shagging your sister" - we really upset if a child joins in? Why?
Of course there are lines - kid joins in with anything homophobic or racist (Thankfully rarely heard now) - perfect chance to establish some boundaries.
And I'd draw a line for sexist songs too - using the term whore as an insult - not for me.
But simply dropping an f-bomb or two - nah, just don't have an issue.
Regularly took ny nephews to the match in the late 90s - they got a chance to swear, eat hamburgers and shout a lot - all things that didn't go down well in their house. They turned out ok - one has just got his PHD doctorate and the other runs a skydiving business overseas.
Funnily enough the one overseas talks well posh, says it helps him get business etc. So he learned a "time and place" too.
Bit of a ramble - and an interesting topic (Why I started it) - even if lots more people sit on the other side of the debate than me (which is cool) - not the first time and sure it won't be the last either. |
Those who have close involvement with child welfare professionals will know the emotional impact of exposing kids to adult aggression and sexualisation. | | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 09:58 - Oct 9 with 208 views | _clive_baker_ |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 08:18 - Oct 9 by bluelagos |
Some interesting points - but let me try again.
Firstly the double standards here is quite amusing - "I swear but get upset when little Johnnie does" - I am at least consistent - as in I swear and don't give a toss when other people do it.
Anyhow - as for the "It's a bad parenting angle" - I'd argue the opposite. A parent who constrains their kids, who teaches them to follow rules as if they are the be all and end all - that is poor parenting.
For me, providing kids with an environment where they can safely push boundaries, where they can maybe cross a line or two without huge consequences, where they can express themselves, engage in banter and learn from it - what is wrong with that?
Kid singing to Naaridge fans songs about "shagging your sister" - we really upset if a child joins in? Why?
Of course there are lines - kid joins in with anything homophobic or racist (Thankfully rarely heard now) - perfect chance to establish some boundaries.
And I'd draw a line for sexist songs too - using the term whore as an insult - not for me.
But simply dropping an f-bomb or two - nah, just don't have an issue.
Regularly took ny nephews to the match in the late 90s - they got a chance to swear, eat hamburgers and shout a lot - all things that didn't go down well in their house. They turned out ok - one has just got his PHD doctorate and the other runs a skydiving business overseas.
Funnily enough the one overseas talks well posh, says it helps him get business etc. So he learned a "time and place" too.
Bit of a ramble - and an interesting topic (Why I started it) - even if lots more people sit on the other side of the debate than me (which is cool) - not the first time and sure it won't be the last either. |
Are / were you comfortable with your own 11 year old child using the C word? |  | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 10:00 - Oct 9 with 206 views | _clive_baker_ |
I don't really like it in a football stadium, not necessarily because of the child in question but that lack of respect it shows to those around them. Some people don't mind it, some people do, but given that it should surely be discouraged to ensure the environment is as welcoming to all people as possible? A bit like the smoking ban, that's not in place to protect those smoking. Personally I wouldn't care if someone had a puff near me but plenty would and its rightly not allowed.
Do what you like in your own home (although I wouldn't accept my 11 year old using such language tbh), but if you're in a public space and it might cause offence to others then be respectful of that and those around you. | | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 10:26 - Oct 9 with 174 views | Ryorry |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 00:47 - Oct 9 by Cotty |
Quite apart from the language, that could easily get them kicked out of school, the level of aggression in that description is not something I would condone in my children. [Post edited 9 Oct 11:42]
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“I feel sorry for your upbringing, and that of any children you might or might not have.”
You think it’s fine to come out with such an obnoxiously judgmental comment about someone whose life, private circumstances and possible children you know nothing of, yet you think swearing is bad?
Absolutely staggering. Think you’ve proved one of Lagos’ points. |  |
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| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 11:43 - Oct 9 with 133 views | Cotty |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 13:04 - Oct 8 by Ryorry |
I think that expectation by police officers is more a thing of them wanting/expecting those they pull up to show restraint and respect for their role/office - not least as a way of decreasing tension and tempers, thereby reducing the likelihood of things becoming heated & potentially physical.
Whether they deserve the respect is of course another matter, but on the one occasion I was pulled over, I felt it was in my own best interests to be incredibly polite and respectful! |
I’m more than happy to retract it, stupid late night post pub comment. Apologies. | | | |
| What the fck is wrong with swearing? on 12:12 - Oct 9 with 99 views | EddyJ |
I believe there is a strong social class element in attitudes to swearing in Britain.
Those who are firmly working or middle class feel free to swear without social repercussions. Those who perceive themselves as being near the boundary of social class (i.e. upper-working or lower-middle) have the most to lose, so tend to be the most hostile to bad language. [Post edited 9 Oct 12:12]
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