| Nice little fact 19:52 - Oct 12 with 3661 views | blueprint |
Norwich fans bang on about having better support than us until recently but did you know their highest average attendance for a season is 28420 in 1973 whereas ours was 28835 last season. |  | | |  |
| Nice little fact on 20:26 - Oct 12 with 3311 views | bournemouthblue |
That will be shattered when we expand the stadium again |  |
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| Nice little fact on 20:56 - Oct 12 with 3208 views | jontysnut |
But did that include the press box - see previous posts - as Norwich would onlyhave had The Eastern Daily Press, and The Farmers Weekly |  | | |
| Nice little fact on 21:48 - Oct 12 with 2940 views | Stenvict |
This whole 'we've got better support than you' is so boring. They're currently experiencing what we were experiencing 7/8 years ago. We clearly have more fans than them, because we've been more successful in our history than them, so we've picked up plenty of fans from all over the UK. |  |
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| Nice little fact on 23:58 - Oct 12 with 2638 views | MrBeckinsale |
| Nice little fact on 20:56 - Oct 12 by jontysnut |
But did that include the press box - see previous posts - as Norwich would onlyhave had The Eastern Daily Press, and The Farmers Weekly |
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| Nice little fact on 00:43 - Oct 13 with 2564 views | bournemouthblue |
| Nice little fact on 21:48 - Oct 12 by Stenvict |
This whole 'we've got better support than you' is so boring. They're currently experiencing what we were experiencing 7/8 years ago. We clearly have more fans than them, because we've been more successful in our history than them, so we've picked up plenty of fans from all over the UK. |
That said we 20 odd years outside the PL, it takes time to rekindle and revistalise that base
It will interesting to see how much higher those crowds can go with a larger stadium | |
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| Nice little fact on 00:49 - Oct 13 with 2559 views | Stenvict |
| Nice little fact on 00:43 - Oct 13 by bournemouthblue |
That said we 20 odd years outside the PL, it takes time to rekindle and revistalise that base
It will interesting to see how much higher those crowds can go with a larger stadium |
I genuinely believe that we will have had fans that started supporting the club during the glory days of the 70's/80's that then gave up making the effort to watch our games during the Evans era, because it was so depressing.
You'd presume the majority of Norwich fans are from the Norfolk area, because, why the hell would you support them, unless they're your local team?
People are always going to jump on the feel good factor around their local team, and that's what we're currently experiencing. [Post edited 13 Oct 1:12]
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| Nice little fact on 07:42 - Oct 13 with 2211 views | NthQldITFC |
I think I read somewhere that they had 24k for their last home game, and that's 24k counting ALL season ticket holders whether they attend or not. They were saying the actual attendance would have been significantly lower. I wonder if they'll go under 20k this season (in real terms)? |  |
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| Nice little fact on 08:11 - Oct 13 with 2094 views | Churchman |
| Nice little fact on 00:49 - Oct 13 by Stenvict |
I genuinely believe that we will have had fans that started supporting the club during the glory days of the 70's/80's that then gave up making the effort to watch our games during the Evans era, because it was so depressing.
You'd presume the majority of Norwich fans are from the Norfolk area, because, why the hell would you support them, unless they're your local team?
People are always going to jump on the feel good factor around their local team, and that's what we're currently experiencing. [Post edited 13 Oct 1:12]
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I’m not sure it was quite as simple as that. Crowds during Robson’s time varied enormously. In to the 30k’s for some big games, down to a heck of a lot less for a rainy Tuesday night v somebody no good. That’s the impact of standing and pay on the gate.
When the team broke up, a lot of the floating support didn’t bother going. Context: it was the time of Hysel, Valley Parade fire and Hillsborough, violence and decaying grounds in addition to poor football. Until Italia 90 apathy ruled everywhere. In Lyall’s promotion season of 92 core support was well under 10k and gradually improved after Christmas as people realised there was a good team there.
Even the pivotal (and terrific) 3-2 game against Newcastle on a sunny day attracted only 20k in a stadium that could hold 26k - and 20k was thought to be excellent at the time.
Under Burley, the ground was rarely full, even with a capacity of 20k, until Wembley 2000. It was never too hard to get a ticket. After that time attendances increased. Core support? Up to 16k? Evidence? What they fell to under the depressing regime of dead hand Evans. Watching the club rot away was no fun.
Core support now? 20k? Maybe a bit more. That reflects renewal, optimism, the way football is (a lot of clubs attendances have grown) and population growth. So what should the capacity be? To accommodate all who want to see games, free tickets for children, fewer restricted views and more comfort including legroom, I think 35k is sufficient. Maybe a little more but the last thing needed is an empty MK Dons stadium.
Yes, it’s a bit different for Norwich. Their support is from a truly remote local area and of course they’re all related. A single family day out, bit like a picnic in the old days. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:58]
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| Nice little fact on 08:18 - Oct 13 with 2059 views | ArnieM |
From memory, when they originally got promoted,and we got relegated ( 2002?), we had the higher attendances for 4 years, despite our financial troubles and them being in a higher division, where coincidentally they didnt beat us in any of that time! |  |
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| Nice little fact on 09:36 - Oct 13 with 1874 views | Sharkey |
| Nice little fact on 00:49 - Oct 13 by Stenvict |
I genuinely believe that we will have had fans that started supporting the club during the glory days of the 70's/80's that then gave up making the effort to watch our games during the Evans era, because it was so depressing.
You'd presume the majority of Norwich fans are from the Norfolk area, because, why the hell would you support them, unless they're your local team?
People are always going to jump on the feel good factor around their local team, and that's what we're currently experiencing. [Post edited 13 Oct 1:12]
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I have met people abroad who at least have a soft spot for them because they like their kit. In Nantes, most obviously. [Post edited 13 Oct 12:09]
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| Nice little fact on 19:55 - Oct 13 with 1441 views | football |
| Nice little fact on 09:36 - Oct 13 by Sharkey |
I have met people abroad who at least have a soft spot for them because they like their kit. In Nantes, most obviously. [Post edited 13 Oct 12:09]
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How does any sane person think that a kit based on highlighters is nice?? | | | |
| Nice little fact on 20:09 - Oct 13 with 1394 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nice little fact on 00:43 - Oct 13 by bournemouthblue |
That said we 20 odd years outside the PL, it takes time to rekindle and revistalise that base
It will interesting to see how much higher those crowds can go with a larger stadium |
I’d like to think this is just normality reasserting itself. We were always the better/bigger side ‘back in the day’. And then we had an Evans problem which saw fortunes reversed. Hopefully we won’t have an owner as useless/clueless/disinterested as Evans again, so we’ll cement our rightful place as the Pride of Anglia. But who knows. If we knew it would be boring wouldn’t it? |  |
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| Nice little fact on 20:26 - Oct 13 with 1372 views | Leutard |
| Nice little fact on 20:26 - Oct 12 by bournemouthblue |
That will be shattered when we expand the stadium again |
They're under the impression that they will be expanding too, is there going to be a bit of an East Anglian arms race? | | | |
| Nice little fact on 20:49 - Oct 13 with 1320 views | bournemouthblue |
| Nice little fact on 07:42 - Oct 13 by NthQldITFC |
I think I read somewhere that they had 24k for their last home game, and that's 24k counting ALL season ticket holders whether they attend or not. They were saying the actual attendance would have been significantly lower. I wonder if they'll go under 20k this season (in real terms)? |
That West Brom crowd did look particularly sparse | |
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| Nice little fact on 20:54 - Oct 13 with 1300 views | bournemouthblue |
| Nice little fact on 08:18 - Oct 13 by ArnieM |
From memory, when they originally got promoted,and we got relegated ( 2002?), we had the higher attendances for 4 years, despite our financial troubles and them being in a higher division, where coincidentally they didnt beat us in any of that time! |
It's about the Wortington era onwards their crowds started to hit the modern levels and that came off the back of a lot of work to recover the crowds, kids for a quid etc etc
At one point, something like 60% of all their tickets were discounted | |
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| Nice little fact on 12:02 - Oct 14 with 1020 views | ArnieM |
| Nice little fact on 20:54 - Oct 13 by bournemouthblue |
It's about the Wortington era onwards their crowds started to hit the modern levels and that came off the back of a lot of work to recover the crowds, kids for a quid etc etc
At one point, something like 60% of all their tickets were discounted |
They also brought in pay monthly for the ST . Which Town took ages to catch onto ... | |
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| Nice little fact on 12:10 - Oct 14 with 994 views | DJR |
| Nice little fact on 08:11 - Oct 13 by Churchman |
I’m not sure it was quite as simple as that. Crowds during Robson’s time varied enormously. In to the 30k’s for some big games, down to a heck of a lot less for a rainy Tuesday night v somebody no good. That’s the impact of standing and pay on the gate.
When the team broke up, a lot of the floating support didn’t bother going. Context: it was the time of Hysel, Valley Parade fire and Hillsborough, violence and decaying grounds in addition to poor football. Until Italia 90 apathy ruled everywhere. In Lyall’s promotion season of 92 core support was well under 10k and gradually improved after Christmas as people realised there was a good team there.
Even the pivotal (and terrific) 3-2 game against Newcastle on a sunny day attracted only 20k in a stadium that could hold 26k - and 20k was thought to be excellent at the time.
Under Burley, the ground was rarely full, even with a capacity of 20k, until Wembley 2000. It was never too hard to get a ticket. After that time attendances increased. Core support? Up to 16k? Evidence? What they fell to under the depressing regime of dead hand Evans. Watching the club rot away was no fun.
Core support now? 20k? Maybe a bit more. That reflects renewal, optimism, the way football is (a lot of clubs attendances have grown) and population growth. So what should the capacity be? To accommodate all who want to see games, free tickets for children, fewer restricted views and more comfort including legroom, I think 35k is sufficient. Maybe a little more but the last thing needed is an empty MK Dons stadium.
Yes, it’s a bit different for Norwich. Their support is from a truly remote local area and of course they’re all related. A single family day out, bit like a picnic in the old days. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:58]
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Wasn't it Robson who said you can't attract fans from the sea, reflecting the fact that Ipswich is near the coast, in contrast to Norwich which is in the centre of a more populous (now and then) county? |  | | |
| Nice little fact on 12:17 - Oct 14 with 964 views | HighgateBlue |
It's lovely to turn the tables by noting that their supposed glory days were in the 70s, whereas ours are now!
But seriously though, their wonderful stadium will put ours in the shade soon - they may have to move hundreds of season ticket holders, and they may be putting away fans in a silly place, and they may not actually be increasing capacity, but some of their seats will be padded, and there's gonna be a fanzone burger van in the middle of the road. Watch out Ipswich! |  | | |
| Nice little fact on 12:18 - Oct 14 with 946 views | HighgateBlue |
| Nice little fact on 20:26 - Oct 13 by Leutard |
They're under the impression that they will be expanding too, is there going to be a bit of an East Anglian arms race? |
Arms race we can deal with.
Fingers, they may have the edge... | | | |
| Nice little fact on 12:28 - Oct 14 with 893 views | henryblue |
I know people who would have told you they were Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs fans 7-8 years ago, and turning up to Portman Road even for the derby wouldn't have been on their minds. They're now season ticket holders and spend hundreds in the club shop every season. It's completely plastic, but that's what American investment and Ed Sheeran on the front of the shirt is aimed to achieve. |  | | |
| Nice little fact on 20:42 - Oct 14 with 722 views | ArnieM |
Unfortunately the modern game is all about creating and selling a brand. Ashton and Gamechanger gave been 100% successful at creating this at Ipswich Town in such a short period of time, its actually quite stunning and frightening concurrently to witness it. I have no idea what Ashtons pitch is to the players we target, or additional investors, but bloody hell, they're on board and by and large willing to sign up to " The Project"!
Now compare that to what's going on up the A140. The gulf between us is now a yawning chasim, never , ever to be breached again. | |
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| Nice little fact on 22:32 - Oct 14 with 625 views | Vic |
| Nice little fact on 00:43 - Oct 13 by bournemouthblue |
That said we 20 odd years outside the PL, it takes time to rekindle and revistalise that base
It will interesting to see how much higher those crowds can go with a larger stadium |
I'll believe in the bigger stadium when I see it. sorry tobe a bit of a bore and I dont doubt the intentions of the owners. But we really do have to get up and stay up befoe it becomes viable and doesnt straddle us with a load of debt - again. |  |
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| Nice little fact on 03:30 - Oct 15 with 519 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Nice little fact on 22:32 - Oct 14 by Vic |
I'll believe in the bigger stadium when I see it. sorry tobe a bit of a bore and I dont doubt the intentions of the owners. But we really do have to get up and stay up befoe it becomes viable and doesnt straddle us with a load of debt - again. |
It is only in the last few seasons that the extra capacity of the two side stands at PR are paying off. 50 Years after they were built.
New stands are expensive and very much a long term project. |  | | |
| Nice little fact on 09:45 - Oct 15 with 263 views | Bluedandy |
Our average attendance in the PL last season was well over 29K and much closer to 30K | | | |
| Nice little fact on 10:42 - Oct 15 with 201 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Nice little fact on 09:45 - Oct 15 by Bluedandy |
Our average attendance in the PL last season was well over 29K and much closer to 30K |
It was clear when we were in the PL, there was demand beyond 30k, based on the number of people complaining about not being able to get tickets. Hard to say what the cap was, but it's probably fair to say that we could have filled another 2-3k seats by just being in the PL.
Success / become established would inevitably broaden the clubs reach, and push this higher, especially given the way the owners are building the 'brand'.
Any work undertaken in the next couple of years has to be executed in a way that allows for this growth, so that there isn't a need to extend further expansion yet again, a few years later.
It's also not only about increasing general seat capacity The club will be looking at increasing the ARPU - through improved facilities, premium seating, hospitality, increased merchandising, etc. This is clearly part of the long term vision, and what investors are buying into. Their eye will be on where the club plans to be in 5+ years, and the potential return that enables. | | | |
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