| Defence getting a bashing, however 23:06 - Oct 21 with 1543 views | USA |
The midfield is being totally by-passed at times far too easily. There’s no protection for the defence |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:12 - Oct 21 with 1492 views | redrickstuhaart |
There are only 2 players in it. The Defence have to do much much better.
The 2nd and 3rd goals came from a complete lack of interest in marking, watching opponents and challenging them where necessary. | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:24 - Oct 21 with 1425 views | Randall |
It just looked like a team that had not played together for 90 mins before - and to be fair they haven’t. Strange selection. Hopefully just a sh1t performance and we can put it right on Saturday. | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:27 - Oct 21 with 1409 views | itfcjoe |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:12 - Oct 21 by redrickstuhaart |
There are only 2 players in it. The Defence have to do much much better.
The 2nd and 3rd goals came from a complete lack of interest in marking, watching opponents and challenging them where necessary. |
Defence only has 2 players in it too |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:37 - Oct 21 with 1360 views | BloomBlue |
The first goal is the same old, O'Shea incapable of tackling a player running at him - it happens every game. He was shltting himself every time Leaburn got the ball.
2nd and 3rd goals simple balls into the box which neither FB stops and neither CH gets their head on.
The capitulation after their 1st was disgusting. No professionalism, no leader, no passion to stick a foot or head in |  | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:47 - Oct 21 with 1312 views | itfc48 |
Early days but I’m not sure Nunez is suited to a 2. Just doesn’t have the pace or power. Cajuste has bags of talent but a pretty average engine so again is he really suited to the double pivot? | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:48 - Oct 21 with 1305 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Cajuste is really good at skipping past players in midfield.
Struggling to see what else he is good at though. |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:49 - Oct 21 with 1275 views | MrPotatoHead |
What midfield? |  | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 00:01 - Oct 22 with 1199 views | BlueForYou |
The central defence were shocking tonight & have been for far too long. Neither Greaves or O'Shea are good enough & it's proven week after week. McKenna has to try something new there, we cannot afford these brainless catastrophies every week. Need two new centre halves in the transfer window urgently. |  | | |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 00:13 - Oct 22 with 1161 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:47 - Oct 21 by itfc48 |
Early days but I’m not sure Nunez is suited to a 2. Just doesn’t have the pace or power. Cajuste has bags of talent but a pretty average engine so again is he really suited to the double pivot? |
He's not is he
His passing is useful up the pitch but he's not mobile enough for the two.
He may work with azor better than cajuste but then we'd have even less mobility from midfield.
There's one answer but we will never see it. |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 01:29 - Oct 22 with 1075 views | eddiespearitt03 |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 00:01 - Oct 22 by BlueForYou |
The central defence were shocking tonight & have been for far too long. Neither Greaves or O'Shea are good enough & it's proven week after week. McKenna has to try something new there, we cannot afford these brainless catastrophies every week. Need two new centre halves in the transfer window urgently. |
Try Jack Taylor in central defence .....at least he gets stuck in and would organize the defending.
Humphreys is ok at left back. Davis in left midfield.
Defenders stay put and defend. | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:22 - Oct 22 with 925 views | cressi |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:12 - Oct 21 by redrickstuhaart |
There are only 2 players in it. The Defence have to do much much better.
The 2nd and 3rd goals came from a complete lack of interest in marking, watching opponents and challenging them where necessary. |
At times needs to play a three as we get overrun they haven't got the nous or intelligence of Morsy or Llungo . | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:30 - Oct 22 with 873 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 23:27 - Oct 21 by itfcjoe |
Defence only has 2 players in it too |
This is the problem, and often only 1 when Greaves carries the ball out. Nunez and Cajuste right up towards the edge of the opposition box too. I’m all for showing attacking intent but we play such a high line it’s suicide at time. It just needs one ball over the top or one player to break and we’re wide open. |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:32 - Oct 22 with 864 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 01:29 - Oct 22 by eddiespearitt03 |
Try Jack Taylor in central defence .....at least he gets stuck in and would organize the defending.
Humphreys is ok at left back. Davis in left midfield.
Defenders stay put and defend. |
That’s taking it a bit too far! If KM did that he’d rightly get destroyed by our fans. | |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:39 - Oct 22 with 869 views | franz_tyson |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:22 - Oct 22 by cressi |
At times needs to play a three as we get overrun they haven't got the nous or intelligence of Morsy or Llungo . |
Makes me wonder why we didn't try to duplicate the Morsy/Mass partnership. Matusiwa is a good fit... surely we could have got a similiar CM beside him.Even a 30 year old journeyman type who could do the dirty work, but still do the footballing basics well. And maybe even having an engine and can play more than 60 mins. We don't need a Fancy Dan pirouetting show pony at CM. | | | |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 07:04 - Oct 22 with 792 views | ArnieM |
A Two man midfield … Mckenna’s favourite formation is NOT at fault according to some on here.
Hopefully some are waking up today thinking slightly different. If not they should be, we’re over run through the middle by ANY team that decides to breakaway. Most managers would have a Plan B after 4 years in charge……… not McKenna it seems . |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 07:22 - Oct 22 with 719 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 07:04 - Oct 22 by ArnieM |
A Two man midfield … Mckenna’s favourite formation is NOT at fault according to some on here.
Hopefully some are waking up today thinking slightly different. If not they should be, we’re over run through the middle by ANY team that decides to breakaway. Most managers would have a Plan B after 4 years in charge……… not McKenna it seems . |
There’s obviously nothing wrong with a two, which is why teams like Arsenal are Liverpool use it (along with many other teams).
Nothing wrong with it at all, it’s all about how it’s deployed and what the other players are doing around the two in the middle. Not that he couldn’t try something a bit different. We’ve the players to have Matusiwa as the base and play two of Taylor, Nunez and Cajuste slightly ahead. It would probably suit Tayls and Nunez more. | |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 08:08 - Oct 22 with 567 views | cbower |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 07:22 - Oct 22 by Swansea_Blue |
There’s obviously nothing wrong with a two, which is why teams like Arsenal are Liverpool use it (along with many other teams).
Nothing wrong with it at all, it’s all about how it’s deployed and what the other players are doing around the two in the middle. Not that he couldn’t try something a bit different. We’ve the players to have Matusiwa as the base and play two of Taylor, Nunez and Cajuste slightly ahead. It would probably suit Tayls and Nunez more. |
No, nothing wrong with a two at all, if you have the players to do it. We don’t right now.
Cajuste does not have the engine. At the best of times, he's got 70 minutes in him. At the moment he simply looks sluggish from the off, still the silky pirouette but not actually getting away from anyone too often. He is also jogging back. You can't have him in a 2 in my opinion.
It was obvious in the Premier League we were overrun in midfield but we put that down to the quality of the opposition. The same is occurring now. Flashes of outstanding ability, people drooling over his silky smooth skills but the hard graft, coverage of the ground, and positional nous formerly offered by Mass Luongo is missing.
As you say, Matusiwa at the base of a three would be how I would go. McKenna may well at last be realising we're so obviously open and vulnerable to the counter from his post match comments and finally do something systemic about it. |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 08:20 - Oct 22 with 524 views | Herbivore |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 07:04 - Oct 22 by ArnieM |
A Two man midfield … Mckenna’s favourite formation is NOT at fault according to some on here.
Hopefully some are waking up today thinking slightly different. If not they should be, we’re over run through the middle by ANY team that decides to breakaway. Most managers would have a Plan B after 4 years in charge……… not McKenna it seems . |
None of the three goals we conceded last night were down to us playing a two man midfield though so not sure why you think last night is evidence we need to play a three. The first is down to O'Shea fluffing a clearing header and then inexplicably backing off the runner all the way to our own six yard box, horror show defending from our captain (again). The second and third are shambolic defending, runners not being tracked out wide, nobody marking anyone, and some pretty poor keeping from Walton as well. We could have had five men in midfield, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to how poor we were defensively for those goals. |  |
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 08:33 - Oct 22 with 479 views | DJR |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 08:20 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
None of the three goals we conceded last night were down to us playing a two man midfield though so not sure why you think last night is evidence we need to play a three. The first is down to O'Shea fluffing a clearing header and then inexplicably backing off the runner all the way to our own six yard box, horror show defending from our captain (again). The second and third are shambolic defending, runners not being tracked out wide, nobody marking anyone, and some pretty poor keeping from Walton as well. We could have had five men in midfield, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to how poor we were defensively for those goals. |
Compared to Woolfy and Burgess as a pairing, with O'Shea and Greaves we seem much more vulnerable to balls through the centre and over the top or players running through the centre.
It seems to me that they are both a bit lacking in a positional sense, not something I think you could accuse Woolfy and Burgess of, especially with Woolfy acting a bit like a sweeper.
And Greaves, despite his height, seems much less "rock-like" than Burgess. Indeed, there was a period of the game last night when he seemed to have completely gone to pieces.
After last night, I think we would be best to go with O'Shea and Kipre as the partnership. [Post edited 22 Oct 8:38]
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| Defence getting a bashing, however on 10:14 - Oct 22 with 372 views | USA |
| Defence getting a bashing, however on 06:39 - Oct 22 by franz_tyson |
Makes me wonder why we didn't try to duplicate the Morsy/Mass partnership. Matusiwa is a good fit... surely we could have got a similiar CM beside him.Even a 30 year old journeyman type who could do the dirty work, but still do the footballing basics well. And maybe even having an engine and can play more than 60 mins. We don't need a Fancy Dan pirouetting show pony at CM. |
The Morsy/Massimo partnership was a joy to watch. However, we’ve always been defensively frail under KMc. That was masked somewhat when we were playing free flowing football and scoring loads. But we’ve often conceded a few along the way.
We need to find a way of being more defensively solid and quickly. That’s not lost on KMc of course, but it appears finding the answer is proving difficult. | |
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