| Streeting calling out the BMA 09:57 - Nov 14 with 1719 views | noggin |
That will help the situation. |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:00 - Nov 14 with 1204 views | reusersfreekicks |
Their reqs are a bit nuts so not sure he is wrong to |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:08 - Nov 14 with 1158 views | noggin |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:00 - Nov 14 by reusersfreekicks |
Their reqs are a bit nuts so not sure he is wrong to |
I guess it depends on how you value NHS doctors. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:11 - Nov 14 with 1140 views | Blueschev |
They just hate him because he's working class. |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:16 - Nov 14 with 1113 views | itfcjoe |
Because they need calling out |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:17 - Nov 14 with 1102 views | bluefunk |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:08 - Nov 14 by noggin |
I guess it depends on how you value NHS doctors. |
He’s calling out the BMA, not its members. |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:19 - Nov 14 with 1089 views | noggin |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:17 - Nov 14 by bluefunk |
He’s calling out the BMA, not its members. |
A union is it's members. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:24 - Nov 14 with 1058 views | Steve_M |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:08 - Nov 14 by noggin |
I guess it depends on how you value NHS doctors. |
He's calling out resident doctors (formerly known as junior doctors) who, despite a large pay rise last year, are insisting on another one.
They had a point last year, much less of one now. Anecdotally, fewer of them are striking this time anyway. |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:28 - Nov 14 with 1022 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:11 - Nov 14 by Blueschev |
They just hate him because he's working class. |
Guaranteed to be first against wall come the glorious revolution. |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:35 - Nov 14 with 1006 views | ElderGrizzly |
Government are in a no-win situation tbh.
Doctors in 'westernised' countries such as Canada, Australia etc are in short supply and pay much better.
Canada are about to start a campaign to bring in 4,000 doctors targeting the UK in particular.
If we don't pay them well enough and provide a duty of care they are going to leave. |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:40 - Nov 14 with 986 views | Ely_Blue |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:24 - Nov 14 by Steve_M |
He's calling out resident doctors (formerly known as junior doctors) who, despite a large pay rise last year, are insisting on another one.
They had a point last year, much less of one now. Anecdotally, fewer of them are striking this time anyway. |
Ironically their shifts are being filled by agency doctors at huge cost |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:51 - Nov 14 with 958 views | bluefunk |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:19 - Nov 14 by noggin |
A union is it's members. |
So why weren’t the members balloted on the offer? | | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:06 - Nov 14 with 917 views | Steve_M |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:40 - Nov 14 by Ely_Blue |
Ironically their shifts are being filled by agency doctors at huge cost |
Not all of them, plenty by experienced doctors doing even more hours. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:14 - Nov 14 with 895 views | giant_stow |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 10:35 - Nov 14 by ElderGrizzly |
Government are in a no-win situation tbh.
Doctors in 'westernised' countries such as Canada, Australia etc are in short supply and pay much better.
Canada are about to start a campaign to bring in 4,000 doctors targeting the UK in particular.
If we don't pay them well enough and provide a duty of care they are going to leave. |
If they do get more money, it ought to be linked to an exit-cost to repay the high training costs, in the event of them pissing off to Canada / wherever. [Post edited 14 Nov 11:14]
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:23 - Nov 14 with 843 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:14 - Nov 14 by giant_stow |
If they do get more money, it ought to be linked to an exit-cost to repay the high training costs, in the event of them pissing off to Canada / wherever. [Post edited 14 Nov 11:14]
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We are stealing poorer countries doctors in return on a huge scale.
Last month, GMC revealed that 51% of doctors in training now hold a non-UK qualification as their primary education. | | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:29 - Nov 14 with 820 views | giant_stow |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:23 - Nov 14 by ElderGrizzly |
We are stealing poorer countries doctors in return on a huge scale.
Last month, GMC revealed that 51% of doctors in training now hold a non-UK qualification as their primary education. |
Indeed, but that's a separate issue and shouldn't stop us doing what we can to protect the fruits of our own training. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:31 - Nov 14 with 813 views | giant_stow |
The debt is huge, but so are the rewards. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:37 - Nov 14 with 800 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:31 - Nov 14 by giant_stow |
The debt is huge, but so are the rewards. |
I wouldn't describe the rewards as "huge". It takes doctors 5 years to train and several more years before they are earning a good wage but even then, as pointed out in this thread, it's below wages in comparable countries. They could earn a lot more working as financial traders with a lot less student debt. We just don't value anyone in this country who isn't making money for the super rich. It's the same in other sectors. Pay for lecturers in the UK, for example, is rubbish compared to comparable countries despite us (still, just about) being world leading in HE and HE-led research. Unless you're lining someone richer's pockets, you don't really matter in the UK in 2025. |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:39 - Nov 14 with 792 views | brazil1982 |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:37 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
I wouldn't describe the rewards as "huge". It takes doctors 5 years to train and several more years before they are earning a good wage but even then, as pointed out in this thread, it's below wages in comparable countries. They could earn a lot more working as financial traders with a lot less student debt. We just don't value anyone in this country who isn't making money for the super rich. It's the same in other sectors. Pay for lecturers in the UK, for example, is rubbish compared to comparable countries despite us (still, just about) being world leading in HE and HE-led research. Unless you're lining someone richer's pockets, you don't really matter in the UK in 2025. |
So, why do they choose that career? The salary and conditions are known in advance. |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:42 - Nov 14 with 774 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:31 - Nov 14 by giant_stow |
The debt is huge, but so are the rewards. |
Cancel all outstanding student loans for Doctors, Nurses and while at it Engineers.
Those who are in a position to earn more, because of their qualifications, end up paying more tax anyway. |  |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:43 - Nov 14 with 764 views | giant_stow |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:37 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
I wouldn't describe the rewards as "huge". It takes doctors 5 years to train and several more years before they are earning a good wage but even then, as pointed out in this thread, it's below wages in comparable countries. They could earn a lot more working as financial traders with a lot less student debt. We just don't value anyone in this country who isn't making money for the super rich. It's the same in other sectors. Pay for lecturers in the UK, for example, is rubbish compared to comparable countries despite us (still, just about) being world leading in HE and HE-led research. Unless you're lining someone richer's pockets, you don't really matter in the UK in 2025. |
I think if you look at a Dr's standard of living over a full career, they would be in the top few percent of wealth in this country. total guess, of course, but I'm pretty confident that would be true and if so, the rewards are relatively huge.
There may be some even more wealthy people out there, but in terms of normal trades, professions and careers, they're right up there.
If there's money to be found to increase wages in the NHS, then fairness would dictate you'd look after nurses and ancillary workers now, who all had a much more smaller rise than drs, but in many ways do a role just as important. We should look after the less well off, no? | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:44 - Nov 14 with 758 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:39 - Nov 14 by brazil1982 |
So, why do they choose that career? The salary and conditions are known in advance. |
Because some people are motivated by things other than money. That doesn't mean they should get stitched up though. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:44 - Nov 14 with 758 views | MattinLondon |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:42 - Nov 14 by Pinewoodblue |
Cancel all outstanding student loans for Doctors, Nurses and while at it Engineers.
Those who are in a position to earn more, because of their qualifications, end up paying more tax anyway. |
Why should doctors, nurses and engineers get preferential treatment? |  | | |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:49 - Nov 14 with 727 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:43 - Nov 14 by giant_stow |
I think if you look at a Dr's standard of living over a full career, they would be in the top few percent of wealth in this country. total guess, of course, but I'm pretty confident that would be true and if so, the rewards are relatively huge.
There may be some even more wealthy people out there, but in terms of normal trades, professions and careers, they're right up there.
If there's money to be found to increase wages in the NHS, then fairness would dictate you'd look after nurses and ancillary workers now, who all had a much more smaller rise than drs, but in many ways do a role just as important. We should look after the less well off, no? |
We should be looking to restore the wages of all NHS staff who suffered years of frozen or below inflation pay rises post-2009, just as we should in other sectors that went through similar.
Here is some info on doctor's salaries: https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors
Bear in mind that many resident doctors are at that level for several years or more before they specialise and can earn more. And that's after 5 years of medical school and further on the job learning. | |
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| Streeting calling out the BMA on 13:03 - Nov 14 with 621 views | tractorboy7777 |
| Streeting calling out the BMA on 11:44 - Nov 14 by MattinLondon |
Why should doctors, nurses and engineers get preferential treatment? |
Student loans in my opinion need a review. There are so many people go to uni on a student loan and end up in a different industry at a lower wage and don’t even have to pay the loan back because their wage is low. I think if you use a student loan and work in the industry you went to uni for, you should get some discount on when you start paying it back or interest rates.
Schools shouldn’t push kids into thinking Uni is the way, create a student debt and then not even have to pay it back because the earnings are low in what they go on to do. |  |
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