| 11 points from 15 08:34 - Nov 24 with 3165 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Averaging 2.2 points a game over the last 5. Promotion form.
You wouldn't think it though. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 12:52 - Nov 24 with 523 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 10:57 - Nov 24 by tractorboy1978 |
That's true. Although in the 10 game form table there is only 3 points between us (in 2nd) and Millwall in 12th. It is much of a muchness really. And we are tracking at 1.8 points a game over that period which is more top play off form rather than automatic promotion form.
We have a strong base to build from and we are well positioned but the foot needs to go on the gas soon as we need to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the pack. |
If over the previous 5 games prior to the latest 5 we were averaging 1.4 points per game,
Portsmouth (W), Bristol City (D), Nodge (W), Middlesbrough (L), Charlton (L)
and in the latest 5 we are averaging 2.2 points a game, can you explain how the foot has not yet 'gone on the gas'? | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 13:13 - Nov 24 with 479 views | billlm |
| 11 points from 15 on 12:51 - Nov 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're (correctly) saying how things would be so different if those players had put their sitters away... and yet in another thread you're saying McKenna Out. |
Is that a problem for you,
It's different perspectives were close but at the same time I don't agree with his anaylisis of we got the players in to late hence our bad start,
Do I think he's the messiah like some of you guys no just my thoughts,
Considering the squad we should be with Coventry not a drift, but could change,
I'm not sure stoke or boro are going to put enough pressure on Coventry so they just need to be consistent and it's probably one place tied up,
So I don't buy the poor start, their professionals,
That's on the management team which he is the head of,
He tinkers formations in games but does not really have a plan B,
He won't or rarely plays two up when we're chasing games no plan B,
So in reflection he's doing an average Joe job with this squad not amazing,
Me or you could have got the team at the time out of league one,
I would like to say him getting us promoted to the premier League was an amazing job far and beyond,
I only say out out of frustration when a games there to be won or drawn and hes not brave enough to go for it,
With this squad he should be top two,
I hope we are, I still think we will go up I haven't wavered from that, |  | | |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 13:24 - Nov 24 with 458 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 12:52 - Nov 24 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If over the previous 5 games prior to the latest 5 we were averaging 1.4 points per game,
Portsmouth (W), Bristol City (D), Nodge (W), Middlesbrough (L), Charlton (L)
and in the latest 5 we are averaging 2.2 points a game, can you explain how the foot has not yet 'gone on the gas'? |
Valid point. Perhaps 'keep our foot on the gas' is more the case then. We need to maintain this sort of form now to hit circa 90 points. I really hope we can, just don't feel convinced by us right now. |  | | |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 13:43 - Nov 24 with 428 views | homer_123 |
| 11 points from 15 (n/t) on 13:24 - Nov 24 by tractorboy1978 |
Valid point. Perhaps 'keep our foot on the gas' is more the case then. We need to maintain this sort of form now to hit circa 90 points. I really hope we can, just don't feel convinced by us right now. |
I'm looking at it from a "We are not at our consistent best as yet." perspective.
I've seen enough of us to see that we have the ability to turn teams over and play the football we know we can under KM.
We've been wasteful at times in front of goal and (Charlton aside) that's the difference between maybe sitting 2nd or 3rd as opposed to 8th. Even if this is our best - we have easily enough about us but I think there is more to come. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 13:59 - Nov 24 with 409 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 11 points from 15 on 13:13 - Nov 24 by billlm |
Is that a problem for you,
It's different perspectives were close but at the same time I don't agree with his anaylisis of we got the players in to late hence our bad start,
Do I think he's the messiah like some of you guys no just my thoughts,
Considering the squad we should be with Coventry not a drift, but could change,
I'm not sure stoke or boro are going to put enough pressure on Coventry so they just need to be consistent and it's probably one place tied up,
So I don't buy the poor start, their professionals,
That's on the management team which he is the head of,
He tinkers formations in games but does not really have a plan B,
He won't or rarely plays two up when we're chasing games no plan B,
So in reflection he's doing an average Joe job with this squad not amazing,
Me or you could have got the team at the time out of league one,
I would like to say him getting us promoted to the premier League was an amazing job far and beyond,
I only say out out of frustration when a games there to be won or drawn and hes not brave enough to go for it,
With this squad he should be top two,
I hope we are, I still think we will go up I haven't wavered from that, |
Yeah, it is a bit of a problem when you admit it's fine margins - and even say "I still think we will go up I haven't wavered from that" - and in another thread want McKenna out. That makes little sense to me.
I don't think anyone thinks he's the messiah.
Some people are just a bit more level headed and see the bigger picture.
And getting players in late obviously means they won't be dialled into his methods and gelled with each other immediately. Being professionals has nothing to do with it. It's a team game. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:08 - Nov 24 with 386 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:45 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Go back a bit further to the end of the transfer window and since then it's 21 points from 11 games, which is basically automatic promotion form and has us second in the table over that time with a game in hand.
We've been far from perfect and there's a sense it's not clicking yet but despite that we are dominating most games and we are picking up points at a reasonable rate. The absolute state of some of the posts on here since Saturday afternoon, a neutral reading the forum would think we're winless in 5 rather than unbeaten. |
You’re either taking the extreme posters on here or exaggerating somewhat. The aftermath of an individual result will all be the focus for 48 hours after a game and this was a poor one. I agree since the window has closed PPG have generally been fine but still plenty of questions floating around and a few awful results thrown in as well.
I think it’s fine to show concerns about the inability to break down low blocks at home, that’s just two goals since Norwich in 4 home games for all our fire power. There are teams below us starting to put teams to sword in similar games, let’s see how we look in a week. It will be all be rosy or a full blown panic most likely ;) |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:24 - Nov 24 with 367 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:08 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re either taking the extreme posters on here or exaggerating somewhat. The aftermath of an individual result will all be the focus for 48 hours after a game and this was a poor one. I agree since the window has closed PPG have generally been fine but still plenty of questions floating around and a few awful results thrown in as well.
I think it’s fine to show concerns about the inability to break down low blocks at home, that’s just two goals since Norwich in 4 home games for all our fire power. There are teams below us starting to put teams to sword in similar games, let’s see how we look in a week. It will be all be rosy or a full blown panic most likely ;) |
I see this "fine to show concerns" line trotted out a lot in defence of the extreme posters. But the thing is, no-one has a problem with people just showing concerns. It's the reactionary, OTT, baby-out-with-the-bathwater stuff that the more measured posters have a problem with.
You're strawmanning, basically. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:30 - Nov 24 with 360 views | backwaywhen |
Joe Joe Joe junior ? | | | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:37 - Nov 24 with 350 views | backwaywhen |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:08 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re either taking the extreme posters on here or exaggerating somewhat. The aftermath of an individual result will all be the focus for 48 hours after a game and this was a poor one. I agree since the window has closed PPG have generally been fine but still plenty of questions floating around and a few awful results thrown in as well.
I think it’s fine to show concerns about the inability to break down low blocks at home, that’s just two goals since Norwich in 4 home games for all our fire power. There are teams below us starting to put teams to sword in similar games, let’s see how we look in a week. It will be all be rosy or a full blown panic most likely ;) |
Two faced Tommy lol . | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:38 - Nov 24 with 351 views | jasondozzell |
| 11 points from 15 on 08:47 - Nov 24 by SitfcB |
It’s always the same for some reason, a lot of people really do just expect us to turn up and win 4/5-0 every game, it’s never going to happen.
Not sure when a lot of our fans became so entitled, is it because of the bigger crowds now, they just expect wins and won’t be happy at anything else, there were some boo’s at FT on Saturday, pathetic. |
I couldn't believe the boos at the end. Disgraceful.
To be brutally honest, I think it's probably that a fair number of the 10,000 who returned or started coming for the first time once we got good again have been totally spoilt and don't have much understanding of football. They don't have any perspective.
These are the good days!!!!!! After over a decade of disaster. You wouldn't think it from many online. |  | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:46 - Nov 24 with 337 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:24 - Nov 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I see this "fine to show concerns" line trotted out a lot in defence of the extreme posters. But the thing is, no-one has a problem with people just showing concerns. It's the reactionary, OTT, baby-out-with-the-bathwater stuff that the more measured posters have a problem with.
You're strawmanning, basically. |
What’s extreme about being concerned with struggling to break teams down? Lol | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:47 - Nov 24 with 334 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:30 - Nov 24 by backwaywhen |
Joe Joe Joe junior ? |
Can I help? | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:50 - Nov 24 with 328 views | Herbivore |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:08 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re either taking the extreme posters on here or exaggerating somewhat. The aftermath of an individual result will all be the focus for 48 hours after a game and this was a poor one. I agree since the window has closed PPG have generally been fine but still plenty of questions floating around and a few awful results thrown in as well.
I think it’s fine to show concerns about the inability to break down low blocks at home, that’s just two goals since Norwich in 4 home games for all our fire power. There are teams below us starting to put teams to sword in similar games, let’s see how we look in a week. It will be all be rosy or a full blown panic most likely ;) |
There's been quite a bit of full blown "we're doomed!" style pant wetting going on. It's fine to be worried about us not breaking teams down at home recently. We've been creating chances but haven't been clinical enough and that needs to change. But there's been loads of comments along the lines of we're a million miles away from challenging for promotion, we'll do well to make the top 6 etc. off the back of one game when our recent form has been decent overall and despite not yet fully clicking, we're a game in hand win away from third. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:53 - Nov 24 with 315 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:50 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
There's been quite a bit of full blown "we're doomed!" style pant wetting going on. It's fine to be worried about us not breaking teams down at home recently. We've been creating chances but haven't been clinical enough and that needs to change. But there's been loads of comments along the lines of we're a million miles away from challenging for promotion, we'll do well to make the top 6 etc. off the back of one game when our recent form has been decent overall and despite not yet fully clicking, we're a game in hand win away from third. |
Oh we will be right there, the league will allow it! I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't finish top 6 but I think 2nd is very much up for debate as it stands, we will find out more soon enough. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 14:59 - Nov 24 with 299 views | Herbivore |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:53 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh we will be right there, the league will allow it! I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't finish top 6 but I think 2nd is very much up for debate as it stands, we will find out more soon enough. |
I'm still confident we'll finish top 2. I don't see any outstanding teams, not even Coventry who have been a couple of bits of luck away from having a full blown wobble recently. We're some tweaks and a bit of confidence in front of goal away from being better than everyone else, imo. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 15:00 - Nov 24 with 294 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:53 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh we will be right there, the league will allow it! I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't finish top 6 but I think 2nd is very much up for debate as it stands, we will find out more soon enough. |
It's true our form has been decent results wise for a while. Maybe not good enough to be in touch with Coventry but good enough to keep the top 6 clearly in view. On the flip side it is extremely frustrating that we are dropping points in games you'd look at beforehand and think that's 3 points, you just sense we could be pushing the top 2 if we'd been more efficient in those games.
I think it's a good time for us to have a run of away games, where the pressure to take the game to the other team is off and hopefully we can find some spaces to exploit. Let's hope the team uses this opportunity to play themselves into promotion winning form which we know they are capable of.
Edit - sorry didn't mean to post this as a reply to your post Joey Joe Junior! [Post edited 24 Nov 15:02]
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| 11 points from 15 on 15:06 - Nov 24 with 284 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 11 points from 15 on 15:00 - Nov 24 by BouncebackIpswich |
It's true our form has been decent results wise for a while. Maybe not good enough to be in touch with Coventry but good enough to keep the top 6 clearly in view. On the flip side it is extremely frustrating that we are dropping points in games you'd look at beforehand and think that's 3 points, you just sense we could be pushing the top 2 if we'd been more efficient in those games.
I think it's a good time for us to have a run of away games, where the pressure to take the game to the other team is off and hopefully we can find some spaces to exploit. Let's hope the team uses this opportunity to play themselves into promotion winning form which we know they are capable of.
Edit - sorry didn't mean to post this as a reply to your post Joey Joe Junior! [Post edited 24 Nov 15:02]
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Thing is games like wrexham, don't matter if we then get 3 points tomorrow
You're not gonna win every game, but when you draw, if you can win that next fixture, that previous one matters not. If we don't win tomorrow, that's where the wrexham game then becomes a bit of a frustration because it's one of those you should be winning. |  |
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| 11 points from 15 on 15:11 - Nov 24 with 276 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| 11 points from 15 on 15:06 - Nov 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing is games like wrexham, don't matter if we then get 3 points tomorrow
You're not gonna win every game, but when you draw, if you can win that next fixture, that previous one matters not. If we don't win tomorrow, that's where the wrexham game then becomes a bit of a frustration because it's one of those you should be winning. |
Good point. Totally agree - if we take 9 points from the next 3 aways then nobody is going to care about us being unable to break down a couple of sides at home.
That said I ultimately don't believe we will end up going up if we are unable to win the majority of our home games especially Vs the mid table and lower half sides (Watford, Charlton. Wrexham). | | | |
| 11 points from 15 on 15:15 - Nov 24 with 260 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 11 points from 15 on 15:11 - Nov 24 by BouncebackIpswich |
Good point. Totally agree - if we take 9 points from the next 3 aways then nobody is going to care about us being unable to break down a couple of sides at home.
That said I ultimately don't believe we will end up going up if we are unable to win the majority of our home games especially Vs the mid table and lower half sides (Watford, Charlton. Wrexham). |
Think your final point is the interesting bit, if we get the wins away against the hulls for example, then you can afford that not win against the lower sides at home. It's just balancing it out, we've done quite well for month or so now.
If we fail to beat those lower down at home and then fail to win away, then it's an issue, but at the moment we're trending ok in that aspect so as long as it continues we'll be fine. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:10 - Nov 24 with 193 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:59 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
I'm still confident we'll finish top 2. I don't see any outstanding teams, not even Coventry who have been a couple of bits of luck away from having a full blown wobble recently. We're some tweaks and a bit of confidence in front of goal away from being better than everyone else, imo. |
Worth keeping an eye on Birmingham I think and possibly Southampton as well. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:20 - Nov 24 with 170 views | Herbivore |
| 11 points from 15 on 16:10 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Worth keeping an eye on Birmingham I think and possibly Southampton as well. |
Brum have had a few good results but I'm not convinced they're likely to sustain the kind of run that will likely ultimately be needed for top 2. Saints potentially, they've got decent depth and some good players. I think we're better overall though. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:22 - Nov 24 with 163 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 11 points from 15 on 14:46 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What’s extreme about being concerned with struggling to break teams down? Lol |
Nothing. Where did I say being concerned is extreme?
FFS, it's like spoonfeeding a baby talking to you! | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:42 - Nov 24 with 124 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 16:22 - Nov 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Nothing. Where did I say being concerned is extreme?
FFS, it's like spoonfeeding a baby talking to you! |
I see this "fine to show concerns" line trotted out a lot in defence of the extreme posters | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:54 - Nov 24 with 96 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 11 points from 15 on 16:42 - Nov 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I see this "fine to show concerns" line trotted out a lot in defence of the extreme posters |
Jesus wept, are you really this thick?!
"Fine to show concerns" is a line used to defend extreme posters - i.e. posters who are being much more than merely showing a few concerns.
That's not the same as "being concerned is extreme"!
Crikey. | |
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| 11 points from 15 on 16:57 - Nov 24 with 89 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 11 points from 15 on 16:54 - Nov 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus wept, are you really this thick?!
"Fine to show concerns" is a line used to defend extreme posters - i.e. posters who are being much more than merely showing a few concerns.
That's not the same as "being concerned is extreme"!
Crikey. |
Carefully Dolly you've been banned before melting down and abusing people. | |
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