| Think it bears repeating to say 21:14 - Dec 13 with 3791 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Our recruitment and player trading has been absolutely dogsh1t, not just this summer but last too. It gets mentioned on here but I don't think enough, there really needs to be some accountability for how shambolic it's been.
ITFC suddenly found themselves with money and seemingly not a clue how to spend it effectively. Despite big talk about strategy and ambition it's been absolute kid in a sweet shop stuff. Whether that's due to a lack of infrastructure, scouting network, I don't know and maybe the club was shown up for having grown in a short space of time.
Kieran is doing the best he can with this bunch and I don't think he can actually get much more out of them. Some are just not that good, or if they are, they were signed without thinking how they'd fit into the team. He doesn't get a free pass either as he should have had some better idea of how to fit signings he presumably gave the green light to into his team. Szmodics, Akpom, Cajuste, Young.... What was the plan behind these signings?
It's really depressing as it feels like an extremely promising position for the club is being frittered away due to gross negligent incompetence in this area.
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:19 - Dec 14 with 478 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:16 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not evidence Morsy wanted to stay. Show your workings! |
I don't wish to. im happy with the information share to me, that's my choice to believe it or not, im not asking you to. |  |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:43 - Dec 14 with 446 views | ITFCson |
With the benefit of hindsight yes the recruitment has been poor. However, generally it felt the fanbase were happy/excited by all the signings (maybe bar McAteer) when they happened |  | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:49 - Dec 14 with 430 views | darkhorse28 |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 21:57 - Dec 13 by J2BLUE |
It's just lazy to say Ashton is out of his depth. It's only said because Bristol City fans were bitter and people have been trying to push it ever since.
The quality of the signings has not matched the money spent. I don't think anyone would argue with that. I don't think think we would make signings without McKenna being in agreement with them and the fees being paid.
So yes, we need to review the process but just pinning it on Ashton is a guess. |
It’s not lazy. It’s 100% true. He’s CEO and chairman - it couldn’t be more clear and transparent.
Whatever the process, whatever the failings, whatever the individuals, HE appointed them all and is 100% responsibile for the outcomes, having spent over 4 years developing that side of the club.
That he is front and centre to take the credit, when players drop down levels to play for Paul and when we had success doesn’t make it any easier in him, but that’s his choice and his ego.
Who else is responsible for recruitment if it isn’t Mark? …, he has full executive control, and he’s worked hard to ensure he has exclusive control (ultimately the buck stops with him).
That’s not conjecture - it’s the same at any club and in any business.
It’s why the roles of Chair and CEO are seldom combined - it reduces oversight, and if it go’s wrong, it go’s VERY wrong, with just one person ultimately calling the shots.
Obviously he had a team, and McKenna is clearly also really weak in this side of the game too, hence we needed someone more elite than Mark.
The thing with Mark is he’s so close to being elite.
You stand in the shoulders at that level…, have people around you elite int heir field who when combined fill all the gaps…, these days that’s never going to be one or two people and Mark has SOME EGO, it has to be about him.
Clearly McKenna is n excellent coach, and Mark has his skill set too, very good at EFL level, but he has SO little self awareness around where he’s weak.
We know now.
He has the same weakness as McKenna
Neither of them are good enough or even close at talent ID
The outcomes are there over a sustained period which are clear…, mikes off.
It’s cost us £250 million and a generational opportunity to find out!!! And many people observed it a long time ago. Light years away form good enough.
We don’t recover easily…, promotion papers the cracks .., but maybe provides time to bring in the right people, although the lack of self awareness suggests not.
No promotion and we pay our manager more than our entire TV revenue, and have a world of pain down the line with loans and still too many liabilities on a squad already not good enough.
Honestly.
You need to quit with the empowering this direction of travel.
You don’t need to know the intricacies of deals, to know who’s accountable, and introduce agency.
Not wanting Mark to have any agency, when we’ve blown such a wonderful opportunity, it’s nuts, bonkers, and sure, he’s not what you promised yourself he was…, isn’t the club more important though???
The damage is horrific, there is no money tree, especially under governance rules, we don’t get second and third chances, we’ve blown the last three windows.
It was exactly like kids in a sweet shop. Pure panic.
Tired of people saying Jens is out of form too…, he’s not…, he can’t do the defensive side in a double pivot …., HE NEVER COULD .., can’t play that role, neither can Nunez, or Jack, in a 25 man squad in a pair that play every week, for 50 games plus…, we have one player…, and 8 inside right wide players costing about £60 million.
McKenna and Ashton, in several areas that are essential, aren’t even good or ok, they’re really poor.
Doesn’t make them terrible at everything or not worth credit where they are really effective.
You can’t be a success though, even in the EFL, when your manager and CEO can’t build even an average talent ID process.
And four years is three years longer than it takes. See Forest Sunderland etc etc
No more excuses.
Just agency. It’s all that will save us long term. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:50 - Dec 14 with 443 views | Ryorry |
Not got time to read whole thread, sorry, but my viewpoint -
“You can’t always get what you want” (song). |  |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:50 - Dec 14 with 440 views | OldFart71 |
Everyone is the manager when things go wrong. But I think the way we set up yesterday was wrong. Sznodics should in my opinion have been in the team instead of Clarke if Egeli was unavailable. Then Clarke brought on as per normal in place of Philogene.
Whether Szmodics has been as effective as he should be is open to debate. But he gives a bit of grit and works hard for the team.
The forward line has been pretty ineffective all season as per goals from Akpom,Azon and Szmodics. Hirst is never going to be a 20 goal a season player but he has six goals so far. If that statistic had been achieved by the three mentioned that would have been around another 14 goals.
I along with many hope Azon will make it, but I have doubts. Akpom clearly has and neither has Szmodics. If we are to be a success this season then maybe we should terminate both Azon and Akpom's contracts. We also desperately need another midfielder. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:58 - Dec 14 with 429 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:19 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't wish to. im happy with the information share to me, that's my choice to believe it or not, im not asking you to. |
How am I not surprised that's your answer.
You are asking us to.
You've literally stated, "hmmm i wouldn't be so sure. Morsy wanted to stay".
I'm afraid the world doesn't work like that - to assert something you need evidence, otherwise your view can be dismissed. You claiming to have info does not trump what I've seen literally spoken by the manager, sorry. If no-one needed to provide evidence we could literally make up anything we wanted. |  |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:00 - Dec 14 with 428 views | OldFart71 |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 21:59 - Dec 13 by Bassett_Blue |
We were supposed to be going after a different profile of player, more athletic, stronger and faster, and I just don't see that in our recruitment. Added to that we don't seem to have signed players that fit our system/style of play.
Getting rid of Morsy looks a worse decision week by week, as we don't have anyone to take the game by the scruff of the neck, both in leadership and getting the ball off the centre half and getting us up the pitch. [Post edited 13 Dec 22:13]
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Whilst he was Captain Fantastic Morsy showed huge signs of the fact that his days as a top notch were over. It made no sense giving him more than a one year contract. He wanted I would assume a minimum of two. So I see why it wasn't given.
We do need another midfielder, but someone who is more mobile. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:00 - Dec 14 with 427 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:49 - Dec 14 by darkhorse28 |
It’s not lazy. It’s 100% true. He’s CEO and chairman - it couldn’t be more clear and transparent.
Whatever the process, whatever the failings, whatever the individuals, HE appointed them all and is 100% responsibile for the outcomes, having spent over 4 years developing that side of the club.
That he is front and centre to take the credit, when players drop down levels to play for Paul and when we had success doesn’t make it any easier in him, but that’s his choice and his ego.
Who else is responsible for recruitment if it isn’t Mark? …, he has full executive control, and he’s worked hard to ensure he has exclusive control (ultimately the buck stops with him).
That’s not conjecture - it’s the same at any club and in any business.
It’s why the roles of Chair and CEO are seldom combined - it reduces oversight, and if it go’s wrong, it go’s VERY wrong, with just one person ultimately calling the shots.
Obviously he had a team, and McKenna is clearly also really weak in this side of the game too, hence we needed someone more elite than Mark.
The thing with Mark is he’s so close to being elite.
You stand in the shoulders at that level…, have people around you elite int heir field who when combined fill all the gaps…, these days that’s never going to be one or two people and Mark has SOME EGO, it has to be about him.
Clearly McKenna is n excellent coach, and Mark has his skill set too, very good at EFL level, but he has SO little self awareness around where he’s weak.
We know now.
He has the same weakness as McKenna
Neither of them are good enough or even close at talent ID
The outcomes are there over a sustained period which are clear…, mikes off.
It’s cost us £250 million and a generational opportunity to find out!!! And many people observed it a long time ago. Light years away form good enough.
We don’t recover easily…, promotion papers the cracks .., but maybe provides time to bring in the right people, although the lack of self awareness suggests not.
No promotion and we pay our manager more than our entire TV revenue, and have a world of pain down the line with loans and still too many liabilities on a squad already not good enough.
Honestly.
You need to quit with the empowering this direction of travel.
You don’t need to know the intricacies of deals, to know who’s accountable, and introduce agency.
Not wanting Mark to have any agency, when we’ve blown such a wonderful opportunity, it’s nuts, bonkers, and sure, he’s not what you promised yourself he was…, isn’t the club more important though???
The damage is horrific, there is no money tree, especially under governance rules, we don’t get second and third chances, we’ve blown the last three windows.
It was exactly like kids in a sweet shop. Pure panic.
Tired of people saying Jens is out of form too…, he’s not…, he can’t do the defensive side in a double pivot …., HE NEVER COULD .., can’t play that role, neither can Nunez, or Jack, in a 25 man squad in a pair that play every week, for 50 games plus…, we have one player…, and 8 inside right wide players costing about £60 million.
McKenna and Ashton, in several areas that are essential, aren’t even good or ok, they’re really poor.
Doesn’t make them terrible at everything or not worth credit where they are really effective.
You can’t be a success though, even in the EFL, when your manager and CEO can’t build even an average talent ID process.
And four years is three years longer than it takes. See Forest Sunderland etc etc
No more excuses.
Just agency. It’s all that will save us long term. |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 415 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:58 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How am I not surprised that's your answer.
You are asking us to.
You've literally stated, "hmmm i wouldn't be so sure. Morsy wanted to stay".
I'm afraid the world doesn't work like that - to assert something you need evidence, otherwise your view can be dismissed. You claiming to have info does not trump what I've seen literally spoken by the manager, sorry. If no-one needed to provide evidence we could literally make up anything we wanted. |
Im not asking you to no. Just disagreeing with the post.
Youre free to take the words of a manager im free to take the words of a club employee. No different. | |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 416 views | balticblue |
Sorry, fat fingered downvote by mistake |  | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:36 - Dec 14 with 386 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 09:36 - Dec 14 by Pinewoodblue |
He will bounce back to Leicester sooner or later. |
What a knobby thing to say. I still support Leicester, I've just lost my passion for them. I stopped going to games because the atmosphere is just so crap and moany it's not enjoyable. I was there for years of dross at the lower end of Champ and League One and never found it really unenjoyable. There was never the same level of toxicity and negativity. With the amount it costs I can't justify going from MK where I live for something I don't enjoy.
Ive also always always had a soft spot for Ipswich since the Burley team and consider them my adopted team I also support as I started going to Ipswich games in about 2019 when I stopped going Leicester. Lots to like about a day out in Ipswich too a nice town and good pubs, friendly fans.
There are some very odd small minded posters on here, not reflective of the fans I've met and said about being a Leicester fan in person. They were very welcoming and encouraged me to keep coming to Town games rather than Leicester lol. I would have thought the more people supporting your team the better. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:45 - Dec 14 with 376 views | J2BLUE |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:36 - Dec 14 by BouncebackIpswich |
What a knobby thing to say. I still support Leicester, I've just lost my passion for them. I stopped going to games because the atmosphere is just so crap and moany it's not enjoyable. I was there for years of dross at the lower end of Champ and League One and never found it really unenjoyable. There was never the same level of toxicity and negativity. With the amount it costs I can't justify going from MK where I live for something I don't enjoy.
Ive also always always had a soft spot for Ipswich since the Burley team and consider them my adopted team I also support as I started going to Ipswich games in about 2019 when I stopped going Leicester. Lots to like about a day out in Ipswich too a nice town and good pubs, friendly fans.
There are some very odd small minded posters on here, not reflective of the fans I've met and said about being a Leicester fan in person. They were very welcoming and encouraged me to keep coming to Town games rather than Leicester lol. I would have thought the more people supporting your team the better. |
No one is saying you should stop. It's just very odd.
Someone could be a full kit w@nker with half and half scarf and still be better than you  |  |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:49 - Dec 14 with 369 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:45 - Dec 14 by J2BLUE |
No one is saying you should stop. It's just very odd.
Someone could be a full kit w@nker with half and half scarf and still be better than you |
* 1sec just off to put my adult home shorts and socks, blue football boots and Leistwich scarf on facebook marketplace * | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:54 - Dec 14 with 363 views | J2BLUE |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:49 - Dec 14 by BouncebackIpswich |
* 1sec just off to put my adult home shorts and socks, blue football boots and Leistwich scarf on facebook marketplace * |
Leistwich eh? Not Ipswester? This is exactly what we mean... | |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:54 - Dec 14 with 363 views | BlueOura |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:49 - Dec 14 by darkhorse28 |
It’s not lazy. It’s 100% true. He’s CEO and chairman - it couldn’t be more clear and transparent.
Whatever the process, whatever the failings, whatever the individuals, HE appointed them all and is 100% responsibile for the outcomes, having spent over 4 years developing that side of the club.
That he is front and centre to take the credit, when players drop down levels to play for Paul and when we had success doesn’t make it any easier in him, but that’s his choice and his ego.
Who else is responsible for recruitment if it isn’t Mark? …, he has full executive control, and he’s worked hard to ensure he has exclusive control (ultimately the buck stops with him).
That’s not conjecture - it’s the same at any club and in any business.
It’s why the roles of Chair and CEO are seldom combined - it reduces oversight, and if it go’s wrong, it go’s VERY wrong, with just one person ultimately calling the shots.
Obviously he had a team, and McKenna is clearly also really weak in this side of the game too, hence we needed someone more elite than Mark.
The thing with Mark is he’s so close to being elite.
You stand in the shoulders at that level…, have people around you elite int heir field who when combined fill all the gaps…, these days that’s never going to be one or two people and Mark has SOME EGO, it has to be about him.
Clearly McKenna is n excellent coach, and Mark has his skill set too, very good at EFL level, but he has SO little self awareness around where he’s weak.
We know now.
He has the same weakness as McKenna
Neither of them are good enough or even close at talent ID
The outcomes are there over a sustained period which are clear…, mikes off.
It’s cost us £250 million and a generational opportunity to find out!!! And many people observed it a long time ago. Light years away form good enough.
We don’t recover easily…, promotion papers the cracks .., but maybe provides time to bring in the right people, although the lack of self awareness suggests not.
No promotion and we pay our manager more than our entire TV revenue, and have a world of pain down the line with loans and still too many liabilities on a squad already not good enough.
Honestly.
You need to quit with the empowering this direction of travel.
You don’t need to know the intricacies of deals, to know who’s accountable, and introduce agency.
Not wanting Mark to have any agency, when we’ve blown such a wonderful opportunity, it’s nuts, bonkers, and sure, he’s not what you promised yourself he was…, isn’t the club more important though???
The damage is horrific, there is no money tree, especially under governance rules, we don’t get second and third chances, we’ve blown the last three windows.
It was exactly like kids in a sweet shop. Pure panic.
Tired of people saying Jens is out of form too…, he’s not…, he can’t do the defensive side in a double pivot …., HE NEVER COULD .., can’t play that role, neither can Nunez, or Jack, in a 25 man squad in a pair that play every week, for 50 games plus…, we have one player…, and 8 inside right wide players costing about £60 million.
McKenna and Ashton, in several areas that are essential, aren’t even good or ok, they’re really poor.
Doesn’t make them terrible at everything or not worth credit where they are really effective.
You can’t be a success though, even in the EFL, when your manager and CEO can’t build even an average talent ID process.
And four years is three years longer than it takes. See Forest Sunderland etc etc
No more excuses.
Just agency. It’s all that will save us long term. |
I don't usually agree with you, but I have to say on this subject you are spot on. Recruitment is crucial in modern football and we have made a really poor job of it over 3 windows. |  | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:58 - Dec 14 with 346 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:54 - Dec 14 by J2BLUE |
Leistwich eh? Not Ipswester? This is exactly what we mean... |
I've got Ipswester too mate don't you worry | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 12:02 - Dec 14 with 338 views | billlm |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 10:50 - Dec 14 by OldFart71 |
Everyone is the manager when things go wrong. But I think the way we set up yesterday was wrong. Sznodics should in my opinion have been in the team instead of Clarke if Egeli was unavailable. Then Clarke brought on as per normal in place of Philogene.
Whether Szmodics has been as effective as he should be is open to debate. But he gives a bit of grit and works hard for the team.
The forward line has been pretty ineffective all season as per goals from Akpom,Azon and Szmodics. Hirst is never going to be a 20 goal a season player but he has six goals so far. If that statistic had been achieved by the three mentioned that would have been around another 14 goals.
I along with many hope Azon will make it, but I have doubts. Akpom clearly has and neither has Szmodics. If we are to be a success this season then maybe we should terminate both Azon and Akpom's contracts. We also desperately need another midfielder. |
Macateer should have started not Clarke as it's on the right, he is better at tracking back,
Also we showed our hand early we were going for it but we're slow out of the blocks and a good goal ruined our chances away as we struggle to recover from going behind, |  | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 12:35 - Dec 14 with 316 views | swede |
It is a fact of football life that every team gets some signings wrong. If you think we overspent on poor players this summer, just take a look at Liverpool.
McAteer and Akpom (on loan) have been disappointing so far but Matusiwa, Kipre & Egeli have been excellent, in my opinion. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 12:42 - Dec 14 with 300 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:04 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Im not asking you to no. Just disagreeing with the post.
Youre free to take the words of a manager im free to take the words of a club employee. No different. |
There is video evidence of McKenna. There's nothing to corroborate your "club employee". Even if there were any truth in what you say - and we have no evidence there is - we don't know what level this supposed employee is, how he heard, what he heard, whether he got it directly or via Chinese whispers from other employees, whether what he heard he got it right or not...
We don't even know if your employee exists.
No, they are very different. | |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 12:51 - Dec 14 with 277 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 11:36 - Dec 14 by BouncebackIpswich |
What a knobby thing to say. I still support Leicester, I've just lost my passion for them. I stopped going to games because the atmosphere is just so crap and moany it's not enjoyable. I was there for years of dross at the lower end of Champ and League One and never found it really unenjoyable. There was never the same level of toxicity and negativity. With the amount it costs I can't justify going from MK where I live for something I don't enjoy.
Ive also always always had a soft spot for Ipswich since the Burley team and consider them my adopted team I also support as I started going to Ipswich games in about 2019 when I stopped going Leicester. Lots to like about a day out in Ipswich too a nice town and good pubs, friendly fans.
There are some very odd small minded posters on here, not reflective of the fans I've met and said about being a Leicester fan in person. They were very welcoming and encouraged me to keep coming to Town games rather than Leicester lol. I would have thought the more people supporting your team the better. |
You don't support on here, you spend most of your time slagging off our team.
You're free to support who you want of course, but most normal supporters know that you follow your team up or down. Adults don't just jump ship and start supporting someone else when things get a bit iffy.
Also, Leicester is nearer to MK than Ipswich! | |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 13:05 - Dec 14 with 236 views | Bassett_Blue |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 09:42 - Dec 14 by BlueNomad |
We did NOT get rid of Morsy. He decided to go and as thanks for his service didn’t stand in his way. |
Well he isn't here is he, and we haven't adequately replaced him. | | | |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 13:07 - Dec 14 with 232 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 12:51 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You don't support on here, you spend most of your time slagging off our team.
You're free to support who you want of course, but most normal supporters know that you follow your team up or down. Adults don't just jump ship and start supporting someone else when things get a bit iffy.
Also, Leicester is nearer to MK than Ipswich! |
That's simply not true is it. It's like me saying that you spend all your time on here posting angry, writing passive aggressive rubbish and making digs at other posters who hold a different viewpoint to you. Which would be a part of your posting but presumably not all (I don't read your every post so wouldn't know)
Not gonna bother replying to the rest of your post because I've already explained it, it's derailing what the actual thread is about, which is I suppose your aim. [Post edited 14 Dec 13:08]
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 13:09 - Dec 14 with 217 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 13:07 - Dec 14 by BouncebackIpswich |
That's simply not true is it. It's like me saying that you spend all your time on here posting angry, writing passive aggressive rubbish and making digs at other posters who hold a different viewpoint to you. Which would be a part of your posting but presumably not all (I don't read your every post so wouldn't know)
Not gonna bother replying to the rest of your post because I've already explained it, it's derailing what the actual thread is about, which is I suppose your aim. [Post edited 14 Dec 13:08]
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Well no, it's not the same, because I said "most of your time", not "all your time" as you have just done to me. | |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 14:32 - Dec 14 with 170 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
This Sunderland team is masterclass in recruitment really. |  |
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| Think it bears repeating to say on 15:50 - Dec 14 with 125 views | ITFCSG |
| Think it bears repeating to say on 14:32 - Dec 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
This Sunderland team is masterclass in recruitment really. |
Compare their performance now vs how we capitulated to Newcastle at home last season you can't deny that Le Bris > McK. Whether it is recruitment or tactics they are streets ahead. And this is from a club that almost went bust a few years ago, who were in a worse financial state than us under Evans
Yet I don't see the Sunderland fanbase praising him as the new messiah (at least not yet) like how we worshipped McK and MA even when we were getting pumped week in week out in the PL | | | |
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