| Time to back the singing section? 01:23 - Jan 4 with 2757 views | The_Jackal |
McKenna's right.
What are we gonna do about it though?
We can't just keep blaming the acoustics and older demographic in the North etc.
Short term, we could feasibly get more singers together in A-Block and really back that section? Clearly the most active part of the ground but the numbers need boosting for it to be more impactful.
Then maybe a bit further down the line, a wider push to get a better area.
What's put people off moving to A-Block before? Could it be resolved? Main reason I've been told is that "it's full of kids" (ironic, given all the complaints about old age killing the North), but we could mix that up. A lot of talk about flags previously too but they don’t seem to have been waved in play much this season tbf.
To those saying that they're fed up with the atmosphere - would you at least trial the alternative by putting your ST up for resale, then buying another ticket in A-Block for a specified game/s?
If enough were up for moving permanently, perhaps the club could be persuaded to waive the admin fee, as part of an initiative to deliver what McKenna wants before the end of the season.
Nothing will change unless we do more as a fan base. Open to suggestions. |  | | |  |
| Time to back the singing section? on 01:50 - Jan 4 with 2071 views | bluelagos |
Move the a block yoof to behind the goal.
NSrs will be livid...but for the greater good. Offer them alternatives (like same price in better seats) , take the heat and jobs a goodun.
Won't happen cos the powers that be wouldn't have the balls to do it. Too scared of the backlash. Also too focused on match day hospitality rather than the match day atmosphere. Fans enjoying the footie with canapés seemingly more attractive than fans enjoying the footie on feet and singing. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 02:08 - Jan 4 with 2033 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Time to back the singing section? on 01:50 - Jan 4 by bluelagos |
Move the a block yoof to behind the goal.
NSrs will be livid...but for the greater good. Offer them alternatives (like same price in better seats) , take the heat and jobs a goodun.
Won't happen cos the powers that be wouldn't have the balls to do it. Too scared of the backlash. Also too focused on match day hospitality rather than the match day atmosphere. Fans enjoying the footie with canapés seemingly more attractive than fans enjoying the footie on feet and singing. |
Those in a block for the double promotion and prem have thinned out.
My son’s group has gone from 15 to 5 because of uni!
The 5 moved to the north as didn’t like the politics in the area!
Who replaced them??? |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 06:34 - Jan 4 with 1871 views | LowerNorth |
Could TWTD help… liaise with Blue Action, have a sticky thread on here that is dedicated to current ‘in’ songs for the season with the correct words. Take away the ability to comment on the thread so it doesn’t fill up with pages and pages of comments but would be a nice little go to for people to look at the words for current chants. I’m a North-stander, older I guess at 44 now, I go to most away games where you get to pick up new songs but those who don’t go struggle to pick up on the words until it really takes off… this might help speed up that process. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 06:46 - Jan 4 with 1845 views | Millsey |
I go to Australia for a few weeks and this happens. Not to worry be back for the Blackburn game full of voice 😂 |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:01 - Jan 4 with 1678 views | lurcher |
Nothing will change until we build more capacity. We need to offer groups of people the option of moving and sitting together.
Also the current standard of new chants is terribly low. The Dara O'shea - Cedric Kipre piece, is awful. And what on earth was going on with the dance that people were doing? |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:20 - Jan 4 with 1606 views | Zx1988 |
| Time to back the singing section? on 01:50 - Jan 4 by bluelagos |
Move the a block yoof to behind the goal.
NSrs will be livid...but for the greater good. Offer them alternatives (like same price in better seats) , take the heat and jobs a goodun.
Won't happen cos the powers that be wouldn't have the balls to do it. Too scared of the backlash. Also too focused on match day hospitality rather than the match day atmosphere. Fans enjoying the footie with canapés seemingly more attractive than fans enjoying the footie on feet and singing. |
I think your final paragraph hits the nail on the head - the club simply doesn't want to work with BA.
There have been countless comments from BA members on here about trying to organise things to improve the atmosphere, and the club being downright obstructive to their attempts.
It wouldn't surprise me, in this modern football age, if the club absolutely hates the fact that something like BA is uncomfortably just outside of their complete control.
It's ludicrous though. All the noise from the club about atmosphere, but they simply won't work with the group of fans that could give them the atmosphere they crave. | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 08:28 - Jan 4 with 1573 views | noggin |
Surely SBR upper would be better for BA and the 'singers'.
More seats, more visible and the roof to help amplify the noise. ( although the roof over block A doesn't seem to be helping much )
Maybe we just have to accept that the demographic of football supporters has changed and, as consumers, they want to be entertained. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 08:29 - Jan 4 with 1571 views | lazyblue |
A-block does not work, sit in SAR Upper and can never hear them even with away fans quiet. | | | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 08:30 - Jan 4 with 1567 views | ZurichBlue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 06:46 - Jan 4 by Millsey |
I go to Australia for a few weeks and this happens. Not to worry be back for the Blackburn game full of voice 😂 |
Context: My son and I are season ticket holders, SBR section 5, behind the goal row P. I’m an oldie in my late 60s that frequently sings, but not as often or as loud compared to when I was younger singing my heart out in the divided North Stand in the 70s. Though there are some around us in their mid 20s to mid 30s who sing there are many, oldies and youngsters, who spend more time chatting to each other than they do singing! And of course, as has often been noted, when section 6 join in the singing with BA, section 4 invariably start singing a different song and we in the middle choose one or the other!
We’ve been talking/moaning about the acoustics/atmosphere and location of away supporters at PR for years, nothing changes. Controversial I know but personally I think it’s time for SBR section 5 to be allocated to BA. There, as a season ticket holder I’ve said it! BA, though quieter recently, do sing and try to create an atmosphere 80-90% of any game and with songs emanating from the centre of SBR lower it would be easy for sections 4 and 6 to join in.
Managing such a controversial strategy would be difficult. In the first instance, the club should do a piece of market research by writing to all section 5 season ticket holders explaining the merit of allocating section 5 seats to BA. As part of the proposal, alternative seating anywhere in the stadium will be offered at the same price. Feedback should be requested to ascertain how many section 5 season ticket holders would be prepared to move under this proposal. I for one would be content to move in the interests of creating a better atmosphere. If 40-50 more were inclined to do likewise and the seats were allocated to BA the rowdiness that they create may even persuade more of the non-singers (mostly but not exclusively the oldies) to move the following season. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:31 - Jan 4 with 1544 views | lazyblue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 06:34 - Jan 4 by LowerNorth |
Could TWTD help… liaise with Blue Action, have a sticky thread on here that is dedicated to current ‘in’ songs for the season with the correct words. Take away the ability to comment on the thread so it doesn’t fill up with pages and pages of comments but would be a nice little go to for people to look at the words for current chants. I’m a North-stander, older I guess at 44 now, I go to most away games where you get to pick up new songs but those who don’t go struggle to pick up on the words until it really takes off… this might help speed up that process. |
Actually a very good idea. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:34 - Jan 4 with 1529 views | lazyblue |
Never understand why the ‘ the singers’ in the crowd or A-block never moved to SAR Upper next to away fans as atmosphere really good in that area.
Add to that why can’t we all sing the old favourites which are louder and continuous such we did with George burleys blue and white army or Ipswich Ipswich Ipswich etc etc . Blue action can you get these going again?? [Post edited 4 Jan 8:38]
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| Time to back the singing section? on 08:58 - Jan 4 with 1394 views | PioneerBlue |
The answer is rather more simple. Individually people need to take more responsibility for generating noise. I don't believe age is the only prohibiting factor, we sit in the pioneer these days, last season and the season before were very boyant. Folks knew the words to the songs, older and newer ones.
NS has steadily made less noise this season. Folks around us dont sing because they dont know the songs and songs are not very loud coming to us via the NS or Sir Alf. | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 09:09 - Jan 4 with 1319 views | football |
Went downhill when BA moved from North to A block. Woudl love them to move back to get the noise levels up again. And whilst on it, can we get rid of the cringy 'Blue Army' | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:19 - Jan 4 with 1252 views | jasondozzell |
The brutal truth is that at the moment it's not even about the singing.
A start would be for people not to stream out on the 89th minute when we're winning to go second in the league.
Also if they could educate themselves on KM football so they don't go berserk everytime we bait a press.
At least when there were 13k for midweek mick matches etc everyone there supported the team. It took ages until the turning at Hull! |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:23 - Jan 4 with 1220 views | victorysquad |
For me the issue is the acoustics of A block. You cannot hear A block if you are down the other side of the ground. So to move seats for a worse view to enhance the atmosphere makes no sense.
The club need to engage with blue action, decide what the long term solution will be then every season they can prioritise seat moves for blue action members / known singers
Then whack the prices up for over 60’s and make it cheap for under 21’s
I went into A block for sheff wed
Game and it is a lot better, but for that amount of people
Singing a lot more noise should be coming out of that stand
The key is getting the club to engage, easier said than done, i tried Matt Holland and got nowhere so someone needs to raise it at the forum as we have no proper representation right now it seems
Another thought is blue action could start to have official members, and then they are un official unofficial supporters club [Post edited 4 Jan 9:30]
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| Time to back the singing section? on 09:27 - Jan 4 with 1171 views | lurcher |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:23 - Jan 4 by victorysquad |
For me the issue is the acoustics of A block. You cannot hear A block if you are down the other side of the ground. So to move seats for a worse view to enhance the atmosphere makes no sense.
The club need to engage with blue action, decide what the long term solution will be then every season they can prioritise seat moves for blue action members / known singers
Then whack the prices up for over 60’s and make it cheap for under 21’s
I went into A block for sheff wed
Game and it is a lot better, but for that amount of people
Singing a lot more noise should be coming out of that stand
The key is getting the club to engage, easier said than done, i tried Matt Holland and got nowhere so someone needs to raise it at the forum as we have no proper representation right now it seems
Another thought is blue action could start to have official members, and then they are un official unofficial supporters club [Post edited 4 Jan 9:30]
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"whack the prices up for over 60’s and make it cheap for under 21’s"
That would be illegal. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:32 - Jan 4 with 1135 views | Benters |
| Time to back the singing section? on 06:34 - Jan 4 by LowerNorth |
Could TWTD help… liaise with Blue Action, have a sticky thread on here that is dedicated to current ‘in’ songs for the season with the correct words. Take away the ability to comment on the thread so it doesn’t fill up with pages and pages of comments but would be a nice little go to for people to look at the words for current chants. I’m a North-stander, older I guess at 44 now, I go to most away games where you get to pick up new songs but those who don’t go struggle to pick up on the words until it really takes off… this might help speed up that process. |
Move the away fans closer to the North Stand and move the singing section back to the lower North section 6.
The last time I saw us play Leeds (I think) they had that top tier close to the NS and it was good bantz…. They found out there was a group from Germany in the NS and banter did flow 🙃. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 09:33 - Jan 4 with 1136 views | strikalite |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:09 - Jan 4 by football |
Went downhill when BA moved from North to A block. Woudl love them to move back to get the noise levels up again. And whilst on it, can we get rid of the cringy 'Blue Army' |
...and people randomly shouting out "hark now hear " ...that song is being done to death.. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:33 - Jan 4 with 1137 views | victorysquad |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:34 - Jan 4 by lazyblue |
Never understand why the ‘ the singers’ in the crowd or A-block never moved to SAR Upper next to away fans as atmosphere really good in that area.
Add to that why can’t we all sing the old favourites which are louder and continuous such we did with George burleys blue and white army or Ipswich Ipswich Ipswich etc etc . Blue action can you get these going again?? [Post edited 4 Jan 8:38]
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I think this is definitely worth a go
Would require the club to facilitate a trial where all the singers move up there for the game | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 09:37 - Jan 4 with 1123 views | victorysquad |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:27 - Jan 4 by lurcher |
"whack the prices up for over 60’s and make it cheap for under 21’s"
That would be illegal. |
It would not be illegal, we already have price banding, you just have to adjust the bands to make it attractive for the cohort you want in there and less attractive to other cohorts | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 09:39 - Jan 4 with 1102 views | RIPbobby |
Well done op. Putting the issue to the rest of the group for discussion and outlining potential ways to fix the issue.
Everybody who is interested has their chance to build an alliance and to improve the atmosphere. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:59 - Jan 4 with 990 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
I’m in my mid 60s, and my voice is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. So I’ve moved from SBRU to SAR this season. We definitely need younger supporters to sing loud and lift the boys even when they’re not playing well.
But something everyone of all ages can do is applaud and give some positive noise when there is a good passage of play. Having 15000 people who collectively roar, however loud, makes a massive difference in the stadium. There is an obligation on ALL supporters to do this. Anyone who just wants to sit through the entire game being entertained is in my opinion an entitled encumbrance that we’d be better off without. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:08 - Jan 4 with 943 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by jasondozzell |
The brutal truth is that at the moment it's not even about the singing.
A start would be for people not to stream out on the 89th minute when we're winning to go second in the league.
Also if they could educate themselves on KM football so they don't go berserk everytime we bait a press.
At least when there were 13k for midweek mick matches etc everyone there supported the team. It took ages until the turning at Hull! |
I think that you’re right to make the point that fans need to share KM’s patience and not moan when the build up is slow, but that won’t improve the atmosphere because to be blunt fans are not going to get pumped up when they see O Shea standing on the ball for what seems like an eternity. You can feel the crowd lift when we put some pace into 5he game but we only do it sporadically. We played with pace and passion 2 years ago and the crowd responded | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:11 - Jan 4 with 932 views | rkc123 |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:19 - Jan 4 by jasondozzell |
The brutal truth is that at the moment it's not even about the singing.
A start would be for people not to stream out on the 89th minute when we're winning to go second in the league.
Also if they could educate themselves on KM football so they don't go berserk everytime we bait a press.
At least when there were 13k for midweek mick matches etc everyone there supported the team. It took ages until the turning at Hull! |
I haven't had a season ticket for a good few years now, but have managed to get to 4 games this year, one being the Coventry game, and I could not believe how many people were leaving with 5 minutes to go. We are 3-0 up against the team flying high at the top of the league, and the crowd are not only quiet, but a significant number aren't even bothering to stay and show their appreciation at the final whistle. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:12 - Jan 4 with 926 views | blueoutlook |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:37 - Jan 4 by victorysquad |
It would not be illegal, we already have price banding, you just have to adjust the bands to make it attractive for the cohort you want in there and less attractive to other cohorts |
Wait and see how you manage when you get old. Blo0dy ridiculous idea, and I’ve seen some daft ones on here! |  | | |
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