| Time to back the singing section? 01:23 - Jan 4 with 3076 views | The_Jackal |
McKenna's right.
What are we gonna do about it though?
We can't just keep blaming the acoustics and older demographic in the North etc.
Short term, we could feasibly get more singers together in A-Block and really back that section? Clearly the most active part of the ground but the numbers need boosting for it to be more impactful.
Then maybe a bit further down the line, a wider push to get a better area.
What's put people off moving to A-Block before? Could it be resolved? Main reason I've been told is that "it's full of kids" (ironic, given all the complaints about old age killing the North), but we could mix that up. A lot of talk about flags previously too but they don’t seem to have been waved in play much this season tbf.
To those saying that they're fed up with the atmosphere - would you at least trial the alternative by putting your ST up for resale, then buying another ticket in A-Block for a specified game/s?
If enough were up for moving permanently, perhaps the club could be persuaded to waive the admin fee, as part of an initiative to deliver what McKenna wants before the end of the season.
Nothing will change unless we do more as a fan base. Open to suggestions. |  | | |  |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:17 - Jan 4 with 719 views | lurcher |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:37 - Jan 4 by victorysquad |
It would not be illegal, we already have price banding, you just have to adjust the bands to make it attractive for the cohort you want in there and less attractive to other cohorts |
It would be illegal
You can give concessions, to make seat prices more affordable and encourage participation. You can't have a pricing structure that actively discriminates against people of a certain age. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:20 - Jan 4 with 715 views | Guthrum |
I think a large part of it is psychological and thus cannot be quickly or easily remedied.
Town fans have seen a long period of stagnation and slow decline, with the hope of Prem football moving ever further away (bar one season in 2015). Then came the miraculous turnaround and sudden, unexpected rise to the top. It was too quick to really embed a sense of confidence in supporters, almost like a dream.
Then, last season, after brief initial hope, strength told and we suffered defeat after defeat. It made the success seem hollow, fans felt short-changed. Relegation brought with it fears based on the previous two decades, of another long stint away from the top table.
A troubled start to this season - combined with players whose characters we had not yet fallen in love with - only confirmed that sensation. That the dream was over, Ipswich were going to squander the opportunity which had fallen into their lap.
Slowly and steadily, Town have begun to pick up steam. Players like Nunez, Matusiwa, Kipre, goalscorers Jack Clarke and Philogene, a resurgent Taylor, young Walle Egeli, sturdy defending from "Our people" O'Shea are all showing those things which make fans want to sing their names. Now we are in 2nd place, have doubled the League leaders and are beginning to motor.
But it will take time and more success for the supporters to get truly warmed up again. They are too nervous of another Oxford or Charlton. The play seems less sparkling still than a couple of years ago. People don't like to be disappointed, so will err on the side of gloom unless confidence is truly embedded or they are carried away by a miracle.
The solution I can see - aside from logistical adjustments such as you suggest - is just for the team to keep winning, even in the face of an uncomfortable and doubting crowd. Eventually, the enthusiasm will come back. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:33 - Jan 4 with 666 views | BlueJudge |
It was the quietest it has been for a long time on New Years Day. I am SAR Upper and when you can hear the players calling to each other you know the atmosphere has dropped way too low. We are all anxious about meeting the ‘Winning’ expectation. The only short term solution would be to set up a singing section in either SAR Upper Block 3, next to the away fans, or relocate back to SBR blocks 5 and 6. Moving existing season ticket holders when there is limited space is the real issue for the club. No viable alternative seats available.
Longer term there will be more space when and if, west stand increased and Cobbold rebuilt. That is when a singing section should be created.
I still sing along when I can hear what is being sung in SBR lower. Just cannot hear BA in the Cobbold |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:38 - Jan 4 with 649 views | jasondozzell |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:20 - Jan 4 by Guthrum |
I think a large part of it is psychological and thus cannot be quickly or easily remedied.
Town fans have seen a long period of stagnation and slow decline, with the hope of Prem football moving ever further away (bar one season in 2015). Then came the miraculous turnaround and sudden, unexpected rise to the top. It was too quick to really embed a sense of confidence in supporters, almost like a dream.
Then, last season, after brief initial hope, strength told and we suffered defeat after defeat. It made the success seem hollow, fans felt short-changed. Relegation brought with it fears based on the previous two decades, of another long stint away from the top table.
A troubled start to this season - combined with players whose characters we had not yet fallen in love with - only confirmed that sensation. That the dream was over, Ipswich were going to squander the opportunity which had fallen into their lap.
Slowly and steadily, Town have begun to pick up steam. Players like Nunez, Matusiwa, Kipre, goalscorers Jack Clarke and Philogene, a resurgent Taylor, young Walle Egeli, sturdy defending from "Our people" O'Shea are all showing those things which make fans want to sing their names. Now we are in 2nd place, have doubled the League leaders and are beginning to motor.
But it will take time and more success for the supporters to get truly warmed up again. They are too nervous of another Oxford or Charlton. The play seems less sparkling still than a couple of years ago. People don't like to be disappointed, so will err on the side of gloom unless confidence is truly embedded or they are carried away by a miracle.
The solution I can see - aside from logistical adjustments such as you suggest - is just for the team to keep winning, even in the face of an uncomfortable and doubting crowd. Eventually, the enthusiasm will come back. |
'Fans felt short changed'?!!!!
Speak for yourself! Sorry but that is bobbins imo.
Anyone feeling short changed really needs to have a word with themselves...glory hunters! |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:40 - Jan 4 with 637 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 08:29 - Jan 4 by lazyblue |
A-block does not work, sit in SAR Upper and can never hear them even with away fans quiet. |
I said the same thing on another thread, from a perspective of sitting in the SAR lower.
I suggested that if we can't hear them in the SAR, then it's highly likely the away fans can't hear them either. I also suggested that (probably like you), we try to get those around us going, but it tends to end up with 9 or 10 singing at best, then it fades pretty quick.
Slambo (Blue Action) rather than engage with someone trying to help, just down arrowed this.
I'll be honest, I was pretty disappointed by that response. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:47 - Jan 4 with 627 views | Guthrum |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:38 - Jan 4 by jasondozzell |
'Fans felt short changed'?!!!!
Speak for yourself! Sorry but that is bobbins imo.
Anyone feeling short changed really needs to have a word with themselves...glory hunters! |
I'm not speaking for myself at all, but for what I've heard and seen written on here. Many fans did not enjoy the Prem experience. Several expressed regret at having been there and a hankering after the lower tiers. For some, it was like a cold, wet slap in the face. One home win all season. The helplessness to prevent goals going in, every mistake punished.
There was very little revelling in our exalted position by the end of the season. A lot of the language spoke of it as a poisoned chalice.
I can see the remains of that feeling in the fans now. The fragile morale, quick to turn on McKenna and the players. The fear of celebrating too soon in case things turn sour.
That may not be how you feel, nor is it how I approach games. But you can't deny that atmosphere existed. | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:50 - Jan 4 with 617 views | Blue_Heath |
Time for some original songs rather than re-hashes of the ones all PL clubs etc sing IMHO.
In the old NS the best chants were the reactionary ones. | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 10:57 - Jan 4 with 610 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:38 - Jan 4 by jasondozzell |
'Fans felt short changed'?!!!!
Speak for yourself! Sorry but that is bobbins imo.
Anyone feeling short changed really needs to have a word with themselves...glory hunters! |
"Short-changed" may not be exactly the right phrase but at least Guthrum has engaged with this topic in a thoughtful manner, certainly beats reading another "our fans are rubbish booooo" post | | | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 11:33 - Jan 4 with 572 views | tivo |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:27 - Jan 4 by lurcher |
"whack the prices up for over 60’s and make it cheap for under 21’s"
That would be illegal. |
This is probably the most stupid post I've ever seen. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 11:44 - Jan 4 with 547 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 11:33 - Jan 4 by tivo |
This is probably the most stupid post I've ever seen. |
You’ve never heard of the Equality Act then… | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 12:09 - Jan 4 with 528 views | pointofblue |
| Time to back the singing section? on 10:50 - Jan 4 by Blue_Heath |
Time for some original songs rather than re-hashes of the ones all PL clubs etc sing IMHO.
In the old NS the best chants were the reactionary ones. |
Nunez's "Zombie" is the best of the season so far, but only sung with gusto against Norwich. Otherwise it's been as flat as the rest. | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 12:29 - Jan 4 with 510 views | Benters |
| Time to back the singing section? on 11:33 - Jan 4 by tivo |
This is probably the most stupid post I've ever seen. |
You are new to here then 😗 |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 12:41 - Jan 4 with 496 views | brogansnose |
| Time to back the singing section? on 09:32 - Jan 4 by Benters |
Move the away fans closer to the North Stand and move the singing section back to the lower North section 6.
The last time I saw us play Leeds (I think) they had that top tier close to the NS and it was good bantz…. They found out there was a group from Germany in the NS and banter did flow 🙃. |
Moving our singing section, Blue Action , or the away fans closer to them would help. Not sure the club or Suffolks finest would allow that. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 12:47 - Jan 4 with 488 views | Blooos |
It’s very simple solution, the singing section has to be next to the away fans behind the goal. That’s how you create an atmosphere. Until that happens the atmosphere will be dud. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 13:05 - Jan 4 with 472 views | Benters |
| Time to back the singing section? on 12:47 - Jan 4 by Blooos |
It’s very simple solution, the singing section has to be next to the away fans behind the goal. That’s how you create an atmosphere. Until that happens the atmosphere will be dud. |
I just said that | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 13:13 - Jan 4 with 462 views | Benters |
| Time to back the singing section? on 12:41 - Jan 4 by brogansnose |
Moving our singing section, Blue Action , or the away fans closer to them would help. Not sure the club or Suffolks finest would allow that. |
Are they worried the away fans would get hurt by all the moans,groans and tuts ? 😆 | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 13:23 - Jan 4 with 442 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Until there is a chance for a significant number of people to move in to one area together it wont change.
A block, is one block of fans, who don't all sing. I have sat in there and there are still plenty of people just there not contributing to the atmosphere. When a new stand is built whenever that is, there needs to be a designated large section for people who want to help with the atmosphere. |  |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 14:01 - Jan 4 with 415 views | Blue_Order |
The OP is correct. If you’re bothered about the atmosphere, then help create it. And the best way to do that is by joining the most active area of the ground.
The club won’t help so it’s up to the fans. We can either keep moaning after every game about how poor it is, or we can do something about it. And right now, the only real option is to strengthen the singing section. |  | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 14:11 - Jan 4 with 378 views | GreenEye |
Cobold A is an awful place to watch from IMO. Kneck ache guaranteed and can't see a big part of the pitch at SAR corner.
NS Lower preferred but can't get in there most of the time. | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 14:19 - Jan 4 with 364 views | Zx1988 |
| Time to back the singing section? on 14:01 - Jan 4 by Blue_Order |
The OP is correct. If you’re bothered about the atmosphere, then help create it. And the best way to do that is by joining the most active area of the ground.
The club won’t help so it’s up to the fans. We can either keep moaning after every game about how poor it is, or we can do something about it. And right now, the only real option is to strengthen the singing section. |
Have the club ever suggested any reason why they don't want to help BA, or any solutions that could persuade them to change their stance?
Or does it just seem that the club will never want to engage with an independent 'ultras' group, unless they can use them for PR purposes? | |
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| Time to back the singing section? on 14:43 - Jan 4 with 336 views | The_Jackal |
| Time to back the singing section? on 13:23 - Jan 4 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Until there is a chance for a significant number of people to move in to one area together it wont change.
A block, is one block of fans, who don't all sing. I have sat in there and there are still plenty of people just there not contributing to the atmosphere. When a new stand is built whenever that is, there needs to be a designated large section for people who want to help with the atmosphere. |
Agree with many of the comments about moving the singing section etc but the club aren’t going to do that any time soon.
Think we need to be realistic and focus on what the fans can be in control of in the short term - specifically the bit about getting a significant number of singers to move in to one area together.
I know A-Block isn’t perfect but there’s a high proportion of non ST seats there which we could fill. BA haven’t got the numbers to do it alone and their efforts get diluted by people buying tickets in the section because they can get seats together, not because they’re going there solely for the block’s intended purpose.
If we boost the numbers in there (with fans who’ll actually sing) and make an obvious impact then the club are more likely to enable a move to a better area later on (easier to shift corporate tickets if the ground’s bouncing). At the moment, the club may think they gave us a singing section and there wasn’t much wider interest in it, so the pros don’t outweigh the cons of them prioritising it in the stadium.
There isn’t a perfect solution so we need to make the best of the only viable option we have now. What would it take to get more singers up to A-Block this season? | | | |
| Time to back the singing section? on 15:24 - Jan 4 with 307 views | lurcher |
| Time to back the singing section? on 11:33 - Jan 4 by tivo |
This is probably the most stupid post I've ever seen. |
Care to explain, or are you playing a guessing game? [Post edited 4 Jan 15:29]
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