| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland 09:33 - Jan 19 with 4225 views | GlasgowBlue |
The most statesmanlike I’ve seen him since becoming PM. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:34 - Jan 19 with 2706 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Can we stop pretending that this is about security when it's clearly a resource grab! |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:37 - Jan 19 with 2677 views | homer_123 |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:34 - Jan 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Can we stop pretending that this is about security when it's clearly a resource grab! |
Whether it's security or resource is moot.
It's fecking wrong. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:41 - Jan 19 with 2641 views | LeoMuff |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:34 - Jan 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Can we stop pretending that this is about security when it's clearly a resource grab! |
What I don’t understand is why in interviews Trump and his cronies aren’t called out on this. The Danes said the other day no Chinese ship has been in Greenland waters for a decade. Probably Russia similar but I don’t know.
Fact is why do you need to own it ? When you are legally allowed to put a million US troops there if you so chose, and no BS answers like you have to own it to defend it. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:02 - Jan 19 with 2508 views | bsw72 |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:41 - Jan 19 by LeoMuff |
What I don’t understand is why in interviews Trump and his cronies aren’t called out on this. The Danes said the other day no Chinese ship has been in Greenland waters for a decade. Probably Russia similar but I don’t know.
Fact is why do you need to own it ? When you are legally allowed to put a million US troops there if you so chose, and no BS answers like you have to own it to defend it. |
It makes me laugh about the Russian threat?
Russia is significantly closer to the USA than Greenland by roughly a thousand miles.
The two Diomede Islands (one is US and one is Russian) are just a few kilometres apart, while the shortest distance from Greenland to the USA is over a thousand miles . . . |  | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:18 - Jan 19 with 2433 views | bracknell_blue |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:02 - Jan 19 by bsw72 |
It makes me laugh about the Russian threat?
Russia is significantly closer to the USA than Greenland by roughly a thousand miles.
The two Diomede Islands (one is US and one is Russian) are just a few kilometres apart, while the shortest distance from Greenland to the USA is over a thousand miles . . . |
And the US is clearly more on Russia's side than Ukraine's in their war. BTW apparently Ukraine were concerned that the US were sharing their military secrets with Russia, so gave them some false info. And Russia acted on it...........
Trump is more dangerous than anyone today, even Putin (but is is a close run thing) |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:50 - Jan 19 with 2293 views | J2BLUE |
Trump refuses to have Russia as a neighbour!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!1
Er...remind us why Alaska was chosen for the Putin meeting... |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:56 - Jan 19 with 2256 views | Whos_blue |
I'm happy to criticise KS when I think he's not doing enough, but I do have to agree with Glassers.
I watched his statement and it was indeed very statesman like. I can't think of too many current MPs who can speak with such authority on foreign affairs.
However, that's not the battle ground that will decide his future. He still seems unable to connect very well with "the man on the street".
I thought he answered the (realtively easy) questions ok bit did try to slide on the upcoming King's trip to the US. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:03 - Jan 19 with 2183 views | DJR |
It is definitely the case that Starmer is better on the world stage than the domestic.
I think his calmness and lawyerly nature shine through but sadly for him don't seem to work as well for the cut and thrust of domestic politics. |  | | |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:12 - Jan 19 with 2105 views | DJR |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:41 - Jan 19 by LeoMuff |
What I don’t understand is why in interviews Trump and his cronies aren’t called out on this. The Danes said the other day no Chinese ship has been in Greenland waters for a decade. Probably Russia similar but I don’t know.
Fact is why do you need to own it ? When you are legally allowed to put a million US troops there if you so chose, and no BS answers like you have to own it to defend it. |
It is similar for Russia according to a Greenlander interviewed on the World Service today. | | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:24 - Jan 19 with 1997 views | Churchman |
It’s an Empire building land grab based on hoovering up potential resources. It has nothing whatsoever to do with security.
Everyone knows that so why Trump, like a small child peddling an obvious lie, continues to chunter this line out is pathetic.
I’d have far more time for him if he simply said ‘we have the biggest stick in the room and we will take what we want. Your sweets, pocket money and Johnny Seven.’ [Post edited 19 Jan 11:27]
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:27 - Jan 19 with 1972 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 09:41 - Jan 19 by LeoMuff |
What I don’t understand is why in interviews Trump and his cronies aren’t called out on this. The Danes said the other day no Chinese ship has been in Greenland waters for a decade. Probably Russia similar but I don’t know.
Fact is why do you need to own it ? When you are legally allowed to put a million US troops there if you so chose, and no BS answers like you have to own it to defend it. |
Trump has tried, spuriously, to answer that objection. He says that only owners have sufficient interest to defend territory.
Which is completely fallacious. If it's important as they say, they will defend. If not, they don't need it after all. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:30 - Jan 19 with 1935 views | BloomBlue |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 10:02 - Jan 19 by bsw72 |
It makes me laugh about the Russian threat?
Russia is significantly closer to the USA than Greenland by roughly a thousand miles.
The two Diomede Islands (one is US and one is Russian) are just a few kilometres apart, while the shortest distance from Greenland to the USA is over a thousand miles . . . |
But that would require Trump having a world globe to understand how close Russia is to the US. He's looking at the world on a flat map, so he thinks Russia is far over towards the right of the map, whereas Greenland appears closer. |  | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:43 - Jan 19 with 1858 views | LeoMuff |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:27 - Jan 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Trump has tried, spuriously, to answer that objection. He says that only owners have sufficient interest to defend territory.
Which is completely fallacious. If it's important as they say, they will defend. If not, they don't need it after all. |
Of course complete BS, He should be pulled up on it though and play to his base.
Why did thousands of serviceman haul themselves up Omaha beach ? They didn’t own France, or Holland, Iwo Jima. They did it to stop mass murder and dictatorship, not steal natural resources. | |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:07 - Jan 19 with 1738 views | Churchman |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:43 - Jan 19 by LeoMuff |
Of course complete BS, He should be pulled up on it though and play to his base.
Why did thousands of serviceman haul themselves up Omaha beach ? They didn’t own France, or Holland, Iwo Jima. They did it to stop mass murder and dictatorship, not steal natural resources. |
Looking back, you have to wonder whether much of their involvement in WW2 was to do with trade and financial opportunity.
Let’s not forget that underneath FDRs benign support for Britain was a financial motive. Stripping out the assets of the old empire, which it shamelessly did, and levying punitive terms for lend lease.
The final payment for war debt was paid in 2006. Every last penny loaned was paid back. A lot of the war material they supplied was rubbish too. Death traps like the Brewster Buffalo, aeroplanes with no superchargers and 50 destroyers so old they were pretty much unusable (Campbeltown was used in the St Nazaire raid to blow the dock gates - just about their only contribution). The key imports were food and fuel.
Their industry and war materials benefitted hugely from the U.K. too, for example the licence built Merlin engine and the P51 Mustang, originally built to British order by the small manufacturer North American.
If America could have benefitted more by the U.K. being knocked out of the war it wouldn’t have cared a jot. It’s no coincidence Joe Kennedy who hated this country was ambassador.
As for Starmer’s speech, yes it was good. But he will do as Trump tells him and be grateful. Better get those knee pads on Sir Kier. I’ve no problem with his grovelling and appeasing. Thanks to successive incompetent and pathetically weak governments we’ve put ourselves in a corner.
If behind the toadying the government are quietly putting in plans and taking actions to give this country some strength and leverage in the future, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. But crawling to him in the hope he will go away is the worst option of all.
Mrs C who never comments on anything political just said ‘Trump’s mad isn’t he’. Now there’s an understatement. He’s not going away either. | | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:24 - Jan 19 with 1668 views | OldFart71 |
Firstly Starmer will probably change his mind tomorrow. But much more importantly how can Trump say he wants Greenland for the security of the US when he constantly gives Putin the green light to go ahead with the capture of Ukraine.
Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist, but isn't it strange that Russia wants Ukraine, the Chinese want Taiwan and now Trump is joining in the carve up ?
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:35 - Jan 19 with 1608 views | BlueNomad |
I never thought I would ever say anything positive about Thatcher but she wouldn’t have put up with this sh1t! |  | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:43 - Jan 19 with 1544 views | Churchman |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:24 - Jan 19 by OldFart71 |
Firstly Starmer will probably change his mind tomorrow. But much more importantly how can Trump say he wants Greenland for the security of the US when he constantly gives Putin the green light to go ahead with the capture of Ukraine.
Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist, but isn't it strange that Russia wants Ukraine, the Chinese want Taiwan and now Trump is joining in the carve up ?
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Canada is the big prize, of course. Carney and the Canadians know it too.
If you want a rumble in a Canadian bar, just call them second rate Americans. Just about the worst insult, but the irony is they’re on the menu to become just that. | | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:53 - Jan 19 with 1441 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 11:03 - Jan 19 by DJR |
It is definitely the case that Starmer is better on the world stage than the domestic.
I think his calmness and lawyerly nature shine through but sadly for him don't seem to work as well for the cut and thrust of domestic politics. |
Though he knows he has done, and said, the right things I thought he sounded a little nervous. Hopefully he will be prepared to be blunt with Trump in Davos with no platitudes.
Have a feeling Trump will find some excuse to head back home early.. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:11 - Jan 19 with 1352 views | WeWereZombies |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:07 - Jan 19 by Churchman |
Looking back, you have to wonder whether much of their involvement in WW2 was to do with trade and financial opportunity.
Let’s not forget that underneath FDRs benign support for Britain was a financial motive. Stripping out the assets of the old empire, which it shamelessly did, and levying punitive terms for lend lease.
The final payment for war debt was paid in 2006. Every last penny loaned was paid back. A lot of the war material they supplied was rubbish too. Death traps like the Brewster Buffalo, aeroplanes with no superchargers and 50 destroyers so old they were pretty much unusable (Campbeltown was used in the St Nazaire raid to blow the dock gates - just about their only contribution). The key imports were food and fuel.
Their industry and war materials benefitted hugely from the U.K. too, for example the licence built Merlin engine and the P51 Mustang, originally built to British order by the small manufacturer North American.
If America could have benefitted more by the U.K. being knocked out of the war it wouldn’t have cared a jot. It’s no coincidence Joe Kennedy who hated this country was ambassador.
As for Starmer’s speech, yes it was good. But he will do as Trump tells him and be grateful. Better get those knee pads on Sir Kier. I’ve no problem with his grovelling and appeasing. Thanks to successive incompetent and pathetically weak governments we’ve put ourselves in a corner.
If behind the toadying the government are quietly putting in plans and taking actions to give this country some strength and leverage in the future, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. But crawling to him in the hope he will go away is the worst option of all.
Mrs C who never comments on anything political just said ‘Trump’s mad isn’t he’. Now there’s an understatement. He’s not going away either. |
Trump will go away eventually, we all do. |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:22 - Jan 19 with 1298 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:53 - Jan 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Though he knows he has done, and said, the right things I thought he sounded a little nervous. Hopefully he will be prepared to be blunt with Trump in Davos with no platitudes.
Have a feeling Trump will find some excuse to head back home early.. |
Declaring the Insurrection Act in Minnesota might be his exit from Davos |  | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:24 - Jan 19 with 1284 views | Benters |
I wonder who wrote it? |  |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:54 - Jan 19 with 1176 views | J2BLUE |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:24 - Jan 19 by Benters |
I wonder who wrote it? |
Well he didn't say let's stick a bow on it and present it to Trump as a gift so we can rule out Farage. | |
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| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 14:10 - Jan 19 with 1103 views | OldFart71 |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 12:43 - Jan 19 by Churchman |
Canada is the big prize, of course. Carney and the Canadians know it too.
If you want a rumble in a Canadian bar, just call them second rate Americans. Just about the worst insult, but the irony is they’re on the menu to become just that. |
Quite possibly. I have always found Canada and its people to be very welcoming. In fact going back a fair number of years we thought about immigrating to Canada to a place called Lunenburg where we had a tour around from Halifax Nova Scotia.
Last time we were over there we did Prince Edward Island and went to the Anne of Green Gables home, although I wouldn't personally recommend it as there's not much to see.
We had a lobster roll at a restaurant and got a nice ice cream from the Cows Company. They do lovely drinking chocolate.
We have been to Quebec about 4 times.
They have a great Christmas shop that's opened all year round.
When we were thinking about immigrating I got properties from Tradewinds and I got one once that was a farmhouse with stables and 100 acres of land for £81,000.
Mind you, it was probably all forest. | | | |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 14:16 - Jan 19 with 1072 views | Benters |
| Excellent speech from Starmer on Greenland on 13:54 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Well he didn't say let's stick a bow on it and present it to Trump as a gift so we can rule out Farage. |
It’s a shame two tier doesn’t police his own borders first. | |
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