| An interesting night in the stands 09:09 - Jan 21 with 3948 views | homer_123 |
I've posted before about the group in front of me that spend the entire match on their phones betting - well, they were not there last night.
However, a fair few fans around where we sit were quite vocal last night and what they were talking about I overheard two or three groups bemoaning on the way out after the game.
Now, this comes with the caveat that we could have gifted a goal to Brizzle last night quite easily, so in some regard I 'can' understand their thinking.
In short, a lot of talk/ moaning about 'playing out from the back'. Slow, pedestrian, fraught with danger. Kipre in particular was coming in for some scathing criticism. As was O'Shea - now that's obvious because when we play out - it's these two.
A fair few were just wanting us to hit it long, get the ball up the pitch ASAP. In addition, one chap was almost losing his marbles over the fact that we attack down the wing (left or right), can't progress so we come back and recycle - he was going apoplectic.
The final comment, and this was the comment I heard two other groups mention on the way out, in addition to the above, was this: "I'm here to be entertained, that's not entertainment!".
I understand we all views things differently but it does amaze me, still, that people seem to not understand how and why we play the way we do.
I was sat there hearing the chap behind me shout at Kipre to 'hit it long' (like Kipre is going to hear it or follow his advice) - and I'm wondering if he's watching the same game. We have Clarke hugging one touchline, Burns the other - both with chalk on their boots. Azon in the middle (ie nowhere near each other) against a back 5 (first half this was). Add to that both Matsi and Jens were deeper (as we are looking to play through the line) - so, again, not near the front three at the time Kipre has the ball.
What, exactly, would the point be to hit it long at that point. Burns nor Clarke were running in behind and if we played to Azon, who's he going to bring into play?
Now, I've got nothing against a nice long ball (see Burns to Azon cross field ball, lovely and Azon unlucky with his shot) and it's important to be able to mix our play up and I think we have got better at this.
I posted the other day about expectations and how we, as fans, need to temper them. We aren't going to roll everyone over every week, we aren't always going to play great football (first 15 last night, I thought we were sloppy with our passing for example).
But how could anyone come away from PR last night and not be entertained. Two really well worked and taken goals, could easily had a couple more. Decent opposition who didn't make it easy but we also didn't give them too much of a sniff.
Maybe I'm being harsh or just focusing on the negative (these were a minority of fans I will say) but if you can't go and enjoy that at PR last night, I'm not sure what the point is? [Post edited 21 Jan 11:25]
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:12 - Jan 21 with 2950 views | waveneyblue |
Morons will moron.
In football and in all aspects of life.
And its only getting worse sadly |  | | |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:17 - Jan 21 with 2862 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
Same here at the station waiting for my train. A chap I’ve known a long time had a face like a slapped arse. Hadn’t seen him in a while and said “excellent performance fella, we’re purring and it’s great to see “ and all I got back was how boring the matches are nowadays.
No pleasing some I guess. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:18 - Jan 21 with 2851 views | Gogs |
I'm in lower Sir Alf, and there are 2 chaps who sit near me who go off every single game about playing out from the back, one of them yelling 'hit it long' and the other 'come on town, why do we always do that, we do it all the time!'. I swear it's the same every game. We've been playing this style for 3 years, and whilst it leads to an inevitable occasional cock-up, on the whole you'd have to say it's been pretty successful. The penny still hasn't dropped with those 2 yet |  | | |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:22 - Jan 21 with 2778 views | FrimleyBlue |
Its the sorry state of football
% of supporters v % of football fans.
Its what got moyes out of west ham.
Its hard but youve just got to ignore then. They'll never change. They go with a requirement if that requirement isn't met you'll bloody hear about it.
If you think we had what 14k die hard st holders during the bad times
So a few thousand supporters came back who are supporters
Then a few thousand football fans who liked our 22 23 football.
Football tourism is high esp when clubs start to be successful. |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:28 - Jan 21 with 2711 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
They probably had heard the Budgies had won 5-0 and were angry that we hadn't.
Life really isn't very fair, is it?
It was a very professional performance, with a scattering of high skill moments, against decent opposition. I doubt it is one that will stand out in the memory in five years time.
The last promotion campaign was more entertaining. Lots of seat-of-the-pants, last ditch defending and last minute winners. This (hopefully promotion) campaign is more professional, controlled and steadier. There is a degree of playing within ourselves, embodied by the resting of flair players through the winter fixture jam.
The last promotion team had to give absolutely everything to be more than the sum of their parts. McKenna has now built a squad with spare capacity in every position.
Premier League money means we can now buy players who cost as much as the entire last promotion squad, and sit them on the bench all game (Egeli). It is more fun being the underdog.
Having said all that: we won 2-0 on a day when the opposition goalkeeper had a very good game. How could anyone go home from that without a smile on their face? [Post edited 21 Jan 9:29]
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:29 - Jan 21 with 2689 views | lazyblue |
Some people are unbelievable, we totally controlled that game against a very good Bristol City team even if we messed up a pass we soon regrouped and went again.
Playing out from the back really works well and creates so much space and attacking opportunities, yes hit it long now and again but in reality how many chances does that create compared to when we draw teams out and pass through and around them.
When fans say they would rather see a 4-3 win, do they really want to see opposition score 3 goals ( I don’t) but us not guaranteed that winning 4th goal. Best teams win controlling the game and it’s great to be in that position these days . | | | |
| It's pathetic on 09:29 - Jan 21 with 2688 views | Dyland |
I don't enjoy being a misanthrope, but too many of our fellow humans are simply dickheads.
Important point about the opposition, who are and were qute decent last night. There's always another team on the pitch, and sometimes they are going to have a go too. That's the point of football.
The "entertainment" these jellyheads want may be more easily found at a panto.
As I've written ad nauseam on these pages, my fellow fans' exececrable takes, febrile bile and weird spoilt behaviour will be the reason I stop going. |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:31 - Jan 21 with 2652 views | Reuser_is_God |
Some* of our fans are utter morons.
It absolutely baffles me that people are still moaning about us playing out from the back, what have they been watching the past 5 years?
*I say some but it’s probably more like 80% |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:32 - Jan 21 with 2638 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:22 - Jan 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Its the sorry state of football
% of supporters v % of football fans.
Its what got moyes out of west ham.
Its hard but youve just got to ignore then. They'll never change. They go with a requirement if that requirement isn't met you'll bloody hear about it.
If you think we had what 14k die hard st holders during the bad times
So a few thousand supporters came back who are supporters
Then a few thousand football fans who liked our 22 23 football.
Football tourism is high esp when clubs start to be successful. |
Anyone who has ever been to PR knows that some of the 14k would have been moaners! | | | |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:34 - Jan 21 with 2633 views | SitfcB |
I really do despair.
And I’m really fed up of calling it out, on here, FB, Twitter etc.
That’s our style of play. That’s our style of play that won us 2 promotions, gave us a season of PL football (which were competitive in before Christmas) and it now has us 2nd in the league - the league that we spent 17 years in finishing mainly 15th, I wish people like that would just fook off.
Last night was like one of the complete away performances from the last time in the Championship, Derby away for example, two well worked goals - one in each half - both at critical time periods whilst never looking threatened.
With the amount of passes we play around the back there’s bound to be one or two misplaced ones and it’s to be expected but people can’t seem to get in the head that it’s the whole point of the game plan and to play ourselves out of trouble if it does occur.
I don’t think they will ever get it.
The same people probably bemoaned Mick McCarthy for his style, oh wait, they probably didn’t because they probably weren’t there. |  |
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| Arf, that is brilliant on 09:35 - Jan 21 with 2587 views | Dyland |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:17 - Jan 21 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Same here at the station waiting for my train. A chap I’ve known a long time had a face like a slapped arse. Hadn’t seen him in a while and said “excellent performance fella, we’re purring and it’s great to see “ and all I got back was how boring the matches are nowadays.
No pleasing some I guess. |
Basically, he wants the season before last. It will never happen again. Ever. People need to grow up and get real.
As you say, we are really starting to purr and it's a lovely thing to see. Added to that last night a deent opposition who had the odd sniff that was generally well snuffed out. It was entertaining and anyone who says otherwise is frankly a fannyface. | |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:36 - Jan 21 with 2575 views | MattinLondon |
I can sort of understand people getting anxious when we play out from the back - yes, we’ve been doing it for the last few seasons. But before that, playing out at the back meant the keeper playing a one-two with Chambers who then hoofed it down the pitch.
And even under Burley, we didn’t pass it around that much at the back - think I’m being too kind as they do sound like a bunch of idiots. |  | | |
| At least half of them Arners on 09:37 - Jan 21 with 2550 views | Dyland |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:32 - Jan 21 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Anyone who has ever been to PR knows that some of the 14k would have been moaners! |
I carried on going because it was easier to get a drink :) | |
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| Aye, and I sit on the edge of my seat going oh gawd a lot of the time on 09:39 - Jan 21 with 2504 views | Dyland |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:36 - Jan 21 by MattinLondon |
I can sort of understand people getting anxious when we play out from the back - yes, we’ve been doing it for the last few seasons. But before that, playing out at the back meant the keeper playing a one-two with Chambers who then hoofed it down the pitch.
And even under Burley, we didn’t pass it around that much at the back - think I’m being too kind as they do sound like a bunch of idiots. |
Loads of us do, no doubt. But we don't yell in a clueless manner, and most (I hope) don't walk out after a two nil win still complaining about it.
It's as if these people can't deal with being wrong. | |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:40 - Jan 21 with 2495 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is not going change. I have people I have sat next to for the best part of 20 years, seen all the highs and lows and still lose their mind when we pass out from the back.
Its funny whenever we score from it and I see them cheering. |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:41 - Jan 21 with 2475 views | NthQldITFC |
What sort of age are these moaners? I wonder if there's less grass roots football played these days and more people who just don't have a first hand experience of actually playing the game? Or whether a generation or more now of sofa-dwellers brought up on compelling, unrealistic video games might have a similar lack of understanding?
Probably more basic than that in that the underlying expectations of our flaccid, head down, self-obsessed, short attention span society these days precludes any kind of real understanding of anything much at all. Apart from betting, TikTok, charlie, angsty self-promotion and masturbation.
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:45 - Jan 21 with 2417 views | BlueBadger |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:31 - Jan 21 by Reuser_is_God |
Some* of our fans are utter morons.
It absolutely baffles me that people are still moaning about us playing out from the back, what have they been watching the past 5 years?
*I say some but it’s probably more like 80% |
The same people complaining about playing out from the back are the same people who complained when we were very direct under Mick. |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:45 - Jan 21 with 2417 views | homer_123 |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:41 - Jan 21 by NthQldITFC |
What sort of age are these moaners? I wonder if there's less grass roots football played these days and more people who just don't have a first hand experience of actually playing the game? Or whether a generation or more now of sofa-dwellers brought up on compelling, unrealistic video games might have a similar lack of understanding?
Probably more basic than that in that the underlying expectations of our flaccid, head down, self-obsessed, short attention span society these days precludes any kind of real understanding of anything much at all. Apart from betting, TikTok, charlie, angsty self-promotion and masturbation.
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Guy losing his marbles was early to mid thirties I'd day.
The others 40's and 50's maybe. | |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 09:52 - Jan 21 with 2337 views | N2_Blue |
I think some people shouldn't follow football but find something else to do.
Last night i was listening to a group of fans talk about the Blackburn game and basically saying we weren't very good.
However the comment that left me shaking my head in total disbelief was that they didn't really feel like they could celebrate the first goal v Blackburn because it was so early and was an own goal with none of our players near the ball. WTF
I mean if you think that, i suggest not bothering with football and supporting us |  |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 10:05 - Jan 21 with 2227 views | jasondozzell |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:34 - Jan 21 by SitfcB |
I really do despair.
And I’m really fed up of calling it out, on here, FB, Twitter etc.
That’s our style of play. That’s our style of play that won us 2 promotions, gave us a season of PL football (which were competitive in before Christmas) and it now has us 2nd in the league - the league that we spent 17 years in finishing mainly 15th, I wish people like that would just fook off.
Last night was like one of the complete away performances from the last time in the Championship, Derby away for example, two well worked goals - one in each half - both at critical time periods whilst never looking threatened.
With the amount of passes we play around the back there’s bound to be one or two misplaced ones and it’s to be expected but people can’t seem to get in the head that it’s the whole point of the game plan and to play ourselves out of trouble if it does occur.
I don’t think they will ever get it.
The same people probably bemoaned Mick McCarthy for his style, oh wait, they probably didn’t because they probably weren’t there. |
Perfectly put.
It just reveals who are the bandwaggoners really.
I've got to the point where when some around me start moaning as we do it I just clap louder and louder as we play out and break the press. |  | | |
| An interesting night in the stands on 10:08 - Jan 21 with 2204 views | HighgateBlue |
I suppose some people always need something to moan about. Some men maybe aren't that good at talking about their own lives, or about great affairs of state or whatever (plenty of those things to moan about always!) so they turn to a sort of neutral and safe third party subject. I think there is (and was) a similar phenomenon with football tribalism and hooliganism - some people like to feel like they belong by having a common enemy that they can arbitrarily hate. The moaners in your stand are maybe a much more low key version of needing something to rail against.
Substantively, obviously they have nothing to moan about. I have been one of the first to grumble when we have been underperforming compared with our budget. I think that's fair enough. But right now KMac has got the team on a roll, and things are looking rosy. Not just about good enough, but very rosy. Plenty of games still to be played, but right now we're 4 wins from 4 in 2026. One goal conceded in the last 5 league games. 9 clean sheets from 17 from Walton. 2nd in the table, top of the form tables for 4, 6, 10 and 12 games (joint top with Hull for 8 games).
How on earth can anybody justify complaining about that? Playing out from the back is a nightmare to see, /when it goes wrong/. And we've nearly been caught out in the last couple of games. But (a) we haven't been caught out, (b) nearly getting caught out is pretty much the point of the plan - to commit the opposition, and (c) these people claim to want entertainment - risking it at the back and not conceding surely carries a modicum of excitement. If not, Jack Clarke's goals should have been enough for any fan. What do they expect?
I really do think that we needn't worry about these sorts of people. Irritating to hear, but fundamentally it's difficult to change this sort of attitude. More difficult even than the massive diminution of the racist, sexist and homophobic element over the last 40 years. I guess humans need to grumble. But whether one is a "bed wetter" (like me) or a "happy clapper", I really think 99% of us can be united in not having 'grumble' as our headline review of last night.
Quick word on Kipre - what a rock he's been for us over the last few months. If he had a less good game last night and we still kept a clean sheet, happy days. Everyone is allowed a quieter night or even a not great day at the office. Cedric has had plenty of great days at the office, and we love him for it. |  | | |
| An interesting night in the stands on 10:10 - Jan 21 with 2166 views | BlueBadger |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:52 - Jan 21 by N2_Blue |
I think some people shouldn't follow football but find something else to do.
Last night i was listening to a group of fans talk about the Blackburn game and basically saying we weren't very good.
However the comment that left me shaking my head in total disbelief was that they didn't really feel like they could celebrate the first goal v Blackburn because it was so early and was an own goal with none of our players near the ball. WTF
I mean if you think that, i suggest not bothering with football and supporting us |
Why wouldn't you celebrate the Blackburn OG?
It was an incredible finish! | |
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| An interesting night in the stands on 10:15 - Jan 21 with 2083 views | FlittonBlue |
Say it for all sports I follow - as English we are not comfortable with winning, it has to be done in a specific way and if not then its better we lose so we can say we were right. Compare and contrast with sports fans from other nations (particularly and in no particular order Australia, USA, India, South Africa, Scotland, Wales!) they will back their side to the hilt and rejoice in a win however it is attained | | | |
| Perfectly put on 10:18 - Jan 21 with 2030 views | Dyland |
| An interesting night in the stands on 09:41 - Jan 21 by NthQldITFC |
What sort of age are these moaners? I wonder if there's less grass roots football played these days and more people who just don't have a first hand experience of actually playing the game? Or whether a generation or more now of sofa-dwellers brought up on compelling, unrealistic video games might have a similar lack of understanding?
Probably more basic than that in that the underlying expectations of our flaccid, head down, self-obsessed, short attention span society these days precludes any kind of real understanding of anything much at all. Apart from betting, TikTok, charlie, angsty self-promotion and masturbation.
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| An interesting night in the stands on 10:21 - Jan 21 with 1997 views | Bluemike31 |
Says it all when these utter morons are moaning about Kipre, who it has to be said has been exceptional in recent games, yes he had a couple of "moments" last night but are we know at the stage where no player is allowed a wayward pass once in a while ? Jesus wept. | | | |
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