| Midfielder higher priority imo 16:59 - Jan 24 with 6459 views | kizaitfc |
Cajuste and Taylor dont compare with some of the better CMs in the Championship.
Azor is a solid holding midfielder but he needs a box to box man next to him, or a no.10 that can control the game (Nunez a big miss today).
We need a Hayden Hackney style player, I know we aren't getting him but someone similar is needed
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 07:40 - Jan 25 with 1424 views | BlueOura |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 07:08 - Jan 25 by Kieran_Knows |
Under appreciated? The bloke has been kept out of the side by Jack Taylor, someone who couldn’t get a look in last Luongo and Morsy 2 years ago. Not to mention he can’t last anything past 60 minutes.
He’s garbage. I’d have honestly sent him back to Napoli, or just not bothered signing him last summer again. |
The worst thing is we are stuck with him ( and Akpom ) if we do somehow manage to get promoted this season. It's almost worth another season in the Champ just to get rid of that obligation. |  | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 08:50 - Jan 25 with 1373 views | LeoMuff |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 00:21 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
Poor!? That seems incredibly harsh.
I think back to just Bristol City in the week, I thought we had dropped a Rolls Royce in midfield, thought he was excellent.
Everyone sees the game differently, I see a real high quality footballer, technically he’s so good, and his football brain is so good.
What I would say is that I think Jens suits certain games, and Taylor probably balances it out by suiting a different type of game - as a pair they have a lovely blend. |
He has technique in spades but not much use in the championship if you can’t get about the pitch win tackles and battles, especially in a midfield 2. Yes against Bristol City he looked good first half but was completely gassed at 50 mins.
He was brought in at great expense to create, he currently has 4 goal contributions. |  |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 08:58 - Jan 25 with 1362 views | chicoazul |
Joel Piroe and Dan Neil please. I love Hirst but I hate to say it, he seems to have a case of the New Longterm Contracts. Piroe is exactly what we need. Neil would be a brilliant addition. |  |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:02 - Jan 25 with 1355 views | Mullet |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 08:50 - Jan 25 by LeoMuff |
He has technique in spades but not much use in the championship if you can’t get about the pitch win tackles and battles, especially in a midfield 2. Yes against Bristol City he looked good first half but was completely gassed at 50 mins.
He was brought in at great expense to create, he currently has 4 goal contributions. |
Hard to do much when we keep letting teams bully us in midfield. Cajuste needs outlets and when he only had Jack Clarke yesterday what do people expect?
Taylor is full of energy and effort but he does a bit of everything competently, very little excellently. Nothing wrong with that, but fans seem to love his busyness over his effectiveness.
McKenna seems to have got the balance wrong, the recruitment from Ashton has question marks over it this season and you can see it when games desecend into a dogfight and we fail to stamp oursevles onto a team. That's collective not individual. |  |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:23 - Jan 25 with 1318 views | Abracadobra |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 22:03 - Jan 24 by itfcsuth |
To the untrained eye Cajuste probably is under appreciated just how good he is, so that would explain why you may think he’s not been excellent. |
‘To the untrained eye’ - hang on a minute, you were saying we should’ve sold Clarke and Philogene in the summer. The fact you rate Cajuste makes me all the more confident that he’s not good enough, you’re the one with the untrained eye. |  | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:40 - Jan 25 with 1284 views | itfcsuth |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:23 - Jan 25 by Abracadobra |
‘To the untrained eye’ - hang on a minute, you were saying we should’ve sold Clarke and Philogene in the summer. The fact you rate Cajuste makes me all the more confident that he’s not good enough, you’re the one with the untrained eye. |
Knew that would get a little bite, lovely.
I would have sold either of them if we could get anywhere near the money back on them, and I still would. Both talented boys, will produce moments at this level (as you’d hope for £20m a pop), but still don’t see either as long term solutions. Individually they’re talented boys, but there’s more to a top footballer than moments, and there’s more to building a squad than putting in the most talented players - the pieces of the puzzle have to fit to get the right balance and blend across the board.
As I say, these are only things you see with a trained eye, would expect you to be on the same page as me on this one. |  | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:55 - Jan 25 with 1262 views | chicoazul |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:02 - Jan 25 by Mullet |
Hard to do much when we keep letting teams bully us in midfield. Cajuste needs outlets and when he only had Jack Clarke yesterday what do people expect?
Taylor is full of energy and effort but he does a bit of everything competently, very little excellently. Nothing wrong with that, but fans seem to love his busyness over his effectiveness.
McKenna seems to have got the balance wrong, the recruitment from Ashton has question marks over it this season and you can see it when games desecend into a dogfight and we fail to stamp oursevles onto a team. That's collective not individual. |
1 defeat in 8 and he’s got the balance wrong, yeah. | |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 10:01 - Jan 25 with 1253 views | OldFart71 |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 17:06 - Jan 24 by Scuzzer |
Probably Azor's worst performance for us today.
With all these away games coming up in February we need to get a team selection specifically for away sorted out pronto...cos that today was a shambles. |
The problem is just as was with Morsy Azor is on a tightrope, one booking away so he's possibly been told to hold back on tackling and also he's an ever present with no backup.
Why is it believed that some players need rotating and not others.
In the old days of the Mariners. Warks, Beatties etc unless a serious injury prevented them from playing they played every game.
Football in general is played on better pitches than the ploughed up fields they used to be.
Could our pitch be our achilles heal in a way because we play st home on a very decent pitch whereas away from home some of the pitches are virtually unplayable. | | | |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 10:38 - Jan 25 with 1218 views | Abracadobra |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:40 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
Knew that would get a little bite, lovely.
I would have sold either of them if we could get anywhere near the money back on them, and I still would. Both talented boys, will produce moments at this level (as you’d hope for £20m a pop), but still don’t see either as long term solutions. Individually they’re talented boys, but there’s more to a top footballer than moments, and there’s more to building a squad than putting in the most talented players - the pieces of the puzzle have to fit to get the right balance and blend across the board.
As I say, these are only things you see with a trained eye, would expect you to be on the same page as me on this one. |
Good to see you’re still in denial about Clarke and Philogene then.
‘Producing moments’ is more than you could say about Cajuste, who you called a ‘Rolls Royce’. As Kieran_Knows said, what else does he even offer outside of beating someone on the turn? Even that gets us in trouble sometimes. He can’t even get in the team consistently over Taylor, who is kept out of the Ireland team by Jayson Molumby most matches, please enlighten me as to how Cajuste is so brilliant. [Post edited 25 Jan 10:41]
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 12:12 - Jan 25 with 1168 views | itfcsuth |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 10:38 - Jan 25 by Abracadobra |
Good to see you’re still in denial about Clarke and Philogene then.
‘Producing moments’ is more than you could say about Cajuste, who you called a ‘Rolls Royce’. As Kieran_Knows said, what else does he even offer outside of beating someone on the turn? Even that gets us in trouble sometimes. He can’t even get in the team consistently over Taylor, who is kept out of the Ireland team by Jayson Molumby most matches, please enlighten me as to how Cajuste is so brilliant. [Post edited 25 Jan 10:41]
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I mean Jack Clarke literally headed the ball to Gustavo Hamer on the half way line yesterday, that certainly got us into trouble.
It’s difficult to have any conversation with people who don’t have any genuine football knowledge like yourself.
Have a great Sunday! | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 13:26 - Jan 25 with 1122 views | Abracadobra |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 12:12 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
I mean Jack Clarke literally headed the ball to Gustavo Hamer on the half way line yesterday, that certainly got us into trouble.
It’s difficult to have any conversation with people who don’t have any genuine football knowledge like yourself.
Have a great Sunday! |
The irony is you’ve not used any “football knowledge” to reinforce your point about Cajuste being a Rolls Royce, so yes you’re correct it’s going to be difficult to have a conversation if you’re ignoring my points and not bringing anything to the table other than a football cliche.
Not the first time you’ve resulted to insulting people’s football intellect, and yet aren’t willing to listen or reason with anyone. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 13:30 - Jan 25 with 1115 views | Mullet |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 09:55 - Jan 25 by chicoazul |
1 defeat in 8 and he’s got the balance wrong, yeah. |
I thought we talking about the defeats like yesterday | |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 13:50 - Jan 25 with 1086 views | darkhorse28 |
Surprised this gets down voted. So obviously true, and so obviously the biggest issue.
We are worst for tackles and even miles behind the next worst - in the EFL that’s appalling, and our possession isn’t so good as to be a reason.., we just don’t do recovery and even pressing very well.
I can see the haters liking jens .., lovely with the ball at his feet, and running with it .., but we play him CDM and he gets bullied .., seen him being run off and run through and ball taken off him maybe 25 times this season!! .., it cat continue, he’s an 8 playing as a 6.
Jack actually does that job better, but again, spent his career as an 8
McKenna needs to get over this trying to coach people in to different roles, just because he enjoys it, it will limit his career at the very top.
Neil is a great 6.., if we sign him, it could be problem solved.
We have Nunez, Jens, Taylor, all great 8’s .., we don’t play an eight, and never have under McKenna .., it’s odd - Nunez works as a 10, and Jack as cover at CDM
Jens though .., he’s maybe the best player technically we’ve had that doesn’t come close to fitting in our system.., not a 6 and not a 10
Not his fault.
If we go up we have to sign him, it’s very odd - got walked all over in this league., actually looks better a level up with more time to play.., but people know he coughs the ball up when pressed far too often .., when he’s in the six and that’s in our final third it’s a car crash.
That’s not opinion either.., it’s what the stats say for over a year now.
Neil and Mats .., that’s VERY solid | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 14:51 - Jan 25 with 1048 views | CaptMickMills |
Totally agree. Almost exactly what I posted elsewhere. We dont have anyone to boss the midfield. Hayden Hackney really impressed me when we played Boro. Far better than any of our midfielders. Shame we didnt get him. Need to get a another midfielder as a priority. A striker would be good also. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 15:38 - Jan 25 with 1021 views | CobboldCrusty |
Cajuste is excellent with the ball but is an absolutely woeful defender... I don't think he enjoys defending enough to play where he does |  | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 15:53 - Jan 25 with 993 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’d probably be 5-10 points clear if we got Hackney over line this summer and then just chucked 5M at a striker who knows where the net at this level.
Unfortunately Hirst would not get in the Hull, Derby, Wrexham, Boro, Cov, Millwall and many other sides at this levels line ups. Which when you think what we have spent is crazy.
Taylor has done pretty well when called upon this season but I do think his performances have been overrated by quite a few. Cajuste has all the skill and class in the world but it feels like it has to be the right game for him. At home, almost in cruise control against weaker opposition then he’s fine. [Post edited 25 Jan 15:54]
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 16:08 - Jan 25 with 960 views | DJR |
I haven't read the whole thread, but yesterday surely highlighted that neither Taylor nor Cajuste are good enough when we the going gets tough. And certainly wouldn't be good enough if we got promoted.
Another but younger Luongo wouldn't go amiss because he combined both defensive and attacking qualities. [Post edited 25 Jan 16:09]
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 18:00 - Jan 25 with 876 views | ITFCSG |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 16:08 - Jan 25 by DJR |
I haven't read the whole thread, but yesterday surely highlighted that neither Taylor nor Cajuste are good enough when we the going gets tough. And certainly wouldn't be good enough if we got promoted.
Another but younger Luongo wouldn't go amiss because he combined both defensive and attacking qualities. [Post edited 25 Jan 16:09]
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Taylor's best position is further forward as a 8. He could even play as a 10 if needed.
None of them are defensive players and look like rabbits in the headlights when the opposition runs at them or are tracking back | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 19:33 - Jan 25 with 811 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 12:12 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
I mean Jack Clarke literally headed the ball to Gustavo Hamer on the half way line yesterday, that certainly got us into trouble.
It’s difficult to have any conversation with people who don’t have any genuine football knowledge like yourself.
Have a great Sunday! |
Serious lack of self awareness in these responses. I like Cajuste bug to say he is anything but a showpony is defies reality. I was hugely underwhelmed with acquisition of Clarke and Philogene but both have improved the team after a slow start. I fail to see how Cajuste does the same. He looks great on the pitch but not hugely effective. Clearly a good player but not too much dog in him. Maybe if he was in a 3 man midfield he would be more effective but I doubt it and we won't being playing that formation anytime soon. Cajuste and to a lesser extent Taylor, do not fit our system. Morsy and Luongo complimented each other perfectly and we have failed even to replace that partnership let alone improve on it. Matusiwa is clearly a class above both but we have failed miserably to get him and equally effective partner. This is the teams Achilles heel and the reason we get overrun in midfield. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 20:56 - Jan 25 with 741 views | itfcsuth |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 19:33 - Jan 25 by eirannach_gorm |
Serious lack of self awareness in these responses. I like Cajuste bug to say he is anything but a showpony is defies reality. I was hugely underwhelmed with acquisition of Clarke and Philogene but both have improved the team after a slow start. I fail to see how Cajuste does the same. He looks great on the pitch but not hugely effective. Clearly a good player but not too much dog in him. Maybe if he was in a 3 man midfield he would be more effective but I doubt it and we won't being playing that formation anytime soon. Cajuste and to a lesser extent Taylor, do not fit our system. Morsy and Luongo complimented each other perfectly and we have failed even to replace that partnership let alone improve on it. Matusiwa is clearly a class above both but we have failed miserably to get him and equally effective partner. This is the teams Achilles heel and the reason we get overrun in midfield. |
To me, the biggest issues still remain in the front quartet, wher le we were so once connected, consistent and cohesive we are now the polar opposite.
We are probably 3/4 through the season and we can’t really name the consistent quartet that KMc prefers, we’ve seen so many variations and it has largely shown in the performance, at times we show a real lack of chemistry.
ST: Hirst, Azon, Akpom
RM: Burns, Egeli, McAteer
CAM: Nunez, Szmodics, Mehmeti
LM: Clarke, Philogene
11 into 4 positions, it looks unbalanced to me - and there has been no combination I’ve seen yet that looks remotely connected, cohesive and compliment each other.
That was the magic of Briadhead, Chaplin, Burns and Hirst, just how special they complimented each other, how well they connected and how special their chemistry was.
It’s such a difficult formula to find, it cannot be underestimated, and why I was so surprised anf frustrated we were so happy to dismantle it. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 10:23 - Jan 26 with 614 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 20:56 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
To me, the biggest issues still remain in the front quartet, wher le we were so once connected, consistent and cohesive we are now the polar opposite.
We are probably 3/4 through the season and we can’t really name the consistent quartet that KMc prefers, we’ve seen so many variations and it has largely shown in the performance, at times we show a real lack of chemistry.
ST: Hirst, Azon, Akpom
RM: Burns, Egeli, McAteer
CAM: Nunez, Szmodics, Mehmeti
LM: Clarke, Philogene
11 into 4 positions, it looks unbalanced to me - and there has been no combination I’ve seen yet that looks remotely connected, cohesive and compliment each other.
That was the magic of Briadhead, Chaplin, Burns and Hirst, just how special they complimented each other, how well they connected and how special their chemistry was.
It’s such a difficult formula to find, it cannot be underestimated, and why I was so surprised anf frustrated we were so happy to dismantle it. |
I think McKenna made a mistake in the summer trying to change our 10 position from a creator/ball carrier to a second striker. Szmodics/Akpom have never fit in that role. Nunez/Mehmeti are better fits for us.
We've also had terrible value out of Egeli/McAteer. I think the former will go on to be a very good player but £30m for those two could/should have been far better spent to get us up this year. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 12:17 - Jan 26 with 543 views | TheBlueGnu |
Cajust is excellent in my opinion. The only piece of the jigsaw missing is a reliable striker. | |
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| Midfielder higher priority imo on 14:03 - Jan 26 with 504 views | ReusersTown |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 17:06 - Jan 24 by Scuzzer |
Probably Azor's worst performance for us today.
With all these away games coming up in February we need to get a team selection specifically for away sorted out pronto...cos that today was a shambles. |
That was definitely Birmingham | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 14:19 - Jan 26 with 466 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 12:12 - Jan 25 by itfcsuth |
I mean Jack Clarke literally headed the ball to Gustavo Hamer on the half way line yesterday, that certainly got us into trouble.
It’s difficult to have any conversation with people who don’t have any genuine football knowledge like yourself.
Have a great Sunday! |
Not sure why you have such a high opinion of yourself?
Can you seriously not see why a player that has such availability issues is a problem for us? With respect, if he struggles to do back to back games or get through much more than 60 mins when he does play, his use to us is seriously diminished. His defensive discipline is also a problem which is why I imagine he prefers Taylor in the tough away games. | | | |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 14:22 - Jan 26 with 452 views | Wright1 |
| Midfielder higher priority imo on 17:07 - Jan 24 by TheBoyBlue |
Respectfully disagree. The final third lets us down on too many occasions and although overall we obviously one of the highest scorers we have too many games like this where we just can't finish our chances. What we could've done with Bamford on our side! |
J.Clarke and Egeli had two great chances in the first ten minutes. Nothing to do with Hirst or his quality. | | | |
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