| Reform and the Lords 17:10 - Jan 26 with 1494 views | Zx1988 |
With the threat of a Reform government in 2029, a thought occurred to me over the weekend:
What is to stop Farage then proceeding to stuff the Lords with Reform peers, either throughout the course of his parliament, or as a final hurrah as part of his dissolution honours?
Could an upper chamber stacked with Reform nut-jobs allow Farage to keep his hand on the tiller of UK politics, even if the electorate end up seeing through Reform after a single term? |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 17:37 - Jan 26 with 1152 views | flykickingbybgunn |
You mean a bit like they have seen through Starmer ? [Post edited 26 Jan 17:43]
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| Reform and the Lords on 17:45 - Jan 26 with 1113 views | J2BLUE |
It's not like the Supreme Court where there is a limited number and you can stitch things up until someone dies.
A new government could add their own. Or try and get rid of the house altogether. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 17:45 - Jan 26 with 1106 views | GlasgowBlue |
Any party can and does exactly that. Since winning the election in 2024 Labour created 96 new peers, with 25 appointed just last month. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 17:47 - Jan 26 with 1094 views | positivity |
he wouldn't need to do that, just get the nuttier defective tories aboard instead! | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 17:56 - Jan 26 with 1042 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform and the Lords on 17:37 - Jan 26 by flykickingbybgunn |
You mean a bit like they have seen through Starmer ? [Post edited 26 Jan 17:43]
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You know that the Lords is heavily weighted in favour of the tories, right? | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 18:03 - Jan 26 with 1011 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Reform and the Lords on 17:56 - Jan 26 by redrickstuhaart |
You know that the Lords is heavily weighted in favour of the tories, right? |
Actually no. There are more Liberals. | | | |
| Reform and the Lords on 18:09 - Jan 26 with 980 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform and the Lords on 17:56 - Jan 26 by redrickstuhaart |
You know that the Lords is heavily weighted in favour of the tories, right? |
Yes. Because the Tories were in power for 14 years and overloaded it with Tory peers. Before that Blair appointed 374 life peers, the most of any Prime Minister. Labour will do the same and whoever wins the next election will follow suit. [Post edited 26 Jan 18:11]
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| Reform and the Lords on 18:30 - Jan 26 with 926 views | Churchman |
| Reform and the Lords on 18:09 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. Because the Tories were in power for 14 years and overloaded it with Tory peers. Before that Blair appointed 374 life peers, the most of any Prime Minister. Labour will do the same and whoever wins the next election will follow suit. [Post edited 26 Jan 18:11]
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Johnson even stuffed a Russian in there! I wonder why?
The government(s) bleat on about lack of money but conveniently forget about the cost of that privileged, unelected shower, HoL. The dining room alone (for the finest dining in London) costs you and me £2.6m a year - about half what it would cost to elect a replacement in Manchester for Burnham, not that one is needed since he has a Deputy.
Back to the point, of course the monstrous Farage would fill the place with his wackos. Perhaps if they put bars on the windows and locked the doors the cost would be justified. |  | | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 19:16 - Jan 26 with 862 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform and the Lords on 17:37 - Jan 26 by flykickingbybgunn |
You mean a bit like they have seen through Starmer ? [Post edited 26 Jan 17:43]
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Well done.
Cookies and milk then straight to bed |  | | |
| Reform and the Lords on 19:18 - Jan 26 with 861 views | Guthrum |
Should've given Farage the peerage he wanted years ago. Would have effectively removed the chance of him becoming PM. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 19:21 - Jan 26 with 853 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform and the Lords on 18:03 - Jan 26 by flykickingbybgunn |
Actually no. There are more Liberals. |
Will take my seat and await the source of this obvious nonsense. | | | |
| Reform and the Lords on 19:55 - Jan 26 with 795 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform and the Lords on 18:03 - Jan 26 by flykickingbybgunn |
Actually no. There are more Liberals. |
Not since Lloyd George was dishing them out to anyone who would pay him. | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 20:00 - Jan 26 with 793 views | bartyg |
| Reform and the Lords on 18:09 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. Because the Tories were in power for 14 years and overloaded it with Tory peers. Before that Blair appointed 374 life peers, the most of any Prime Minister. Labour will do the same and whoever wins the next election will follow suit. [Post edited 26 Jan 18:11]
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Maybe we should get rid of life peerages all together. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 20:15 - Jan 26 with 762 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform and the Lords on 20:00 - Jan 26 by bartyg |
Maybe we should get rid of life peerages all together. |
Maybe we should. We probably won't. And what would we replace the HOL with? | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 20:21 - Jan 26 with 735 views | Pinewoodblue |
As far as I know there is no limit to the numbers that can be appointed peers. Currently there are 844. Usually no more than 500 cast a vote. Those 844 will still be there after the next election.
Farage will have to appoint a significant number if he wants a majority.
The sooner we have an elected second house the better. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 20:28 - Jan 26 with 687 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Reform and the Lords on 20:15 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe we should. We probably won't. And what would we replace the HOL with? |
A live music venue perhaps. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:03 - Jan 26 with 633 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think the best reforms would see the Commons elected by Single Transferrable Vote whilst the Lords becomes an elected chamber selected by proportional representation. |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:06 - Jan 26 with 629 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform and the Lords on 20:15 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe we should. We probably won't. And what would we replace the HOL with? |
Rock, paper, scissors |  |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:17 - Jan 26 with 608 views | Churchman |
| Reform and the Lords on 20:15 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe we should. We probably won't. And what would we replace the HOL with? |
People who elected? how about 100 people from the general public who are co-opted into it like they are Jury Service?
Maybe model it on the American Senate/Congress - without Trump, obviously!
They are no less qualified than a former runner, footballer, failed politician or a chinless wonder from high up the social pyramid.
It’ll never happen because it’s key to sustaining privilege, as is retaining a monarchy. [Post edited 26 Jan 21:22]
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:20 - Jan 26 with 599 views | positivity |
| Reform and the Lords on 21:17 - Jan 26 by Churchman |
People who elected? how about 100 people from the general public who are co-opted into it like they are Jury Service?
Maybe model it on the American Senate/Congress - without Trump, obviously!
They are no less qualified than a former runner, footballer, failed politician or a chinless wonder from high up the social pyramid.
It’ll never happen because it’s key to sustaining privilege, as is retaining a monarchy. [Post edited 26 Jan 21:22]
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move it to the centre of the uk, see how keen they are to lig without it being in the south-east | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:22 - Jan 26 with 583 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform and the Lords on 21:17 - Jan 26 by Churchman |
People who elected? how about 100 people from the general public who are co-opted into it like they are Jury Service?
Maybe model it on the American Senate/Congress - without Trump, obviously!
They are no less qualified than a former runner, footballer, failed politician or a chinless wonder from high up the social pyramid.
It’ll never happen because it’s key to sustaining privilege, as is retaining a monarchy. [Post edited 26 Jan 21:22]
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650 randomly selected as a cross-section of society appointed.
Would it be for life with each one replaced randomly upon death/retirement due to ill health? Or would it be for a 5-year term?
Makes me think of the Churchill quote "the greatest argument against democracy is to hold a five-minute conversation with the average voter." | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:34 - Jan 26 with 548 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Reform and the Lords on 21:03 - Jan 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think the best reforms would see the Commons elected by Single Transferrable Vote whilst the Lords becomes an elected chamber selected by proportional representation. |
Looks like we are heading forwards a time when coalitions are more common due to the votes bring shared between between 4-6 political parties in England plus the Scots &+Welsh Nationalists and the Irish parties.
Lib Dems would probably do well in an STV system. Agree proportional representation for HoL with large regional constituencies.
Sadly it isn’t likely to happen especially if you get a big majority under the current system with a third of the vote. | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:38 - Jan 26 with 538 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform and the Lords on 21:34 - Jan 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Looks like we are heading forwards a time when coalitions are more common due to the votes bring shared between between 4-6 political parties in England plus the Scots &+Welsh Nationalists and the Irish parties.
Lib Dems would probably do well in an STV system. Agree proportional representation for HoL with large regional constituencies.
Sadly it isn’t likely to happen especially if you get a big majority under the current system with a third of the vote. |
I guess STV is inherently likely to favour moderate parties and make extreme ones less likely to be elected. I don't think that would be a bad thing would it? | |
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| Reform and the Lords on 21:48 - Jan 26 with 525 views | itfc_bucks |
| Reform and the Lords on 21:34 - Jan 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Looks like we are heading forwards a time when coalitions are more common due to the votes bring shared between between 4-6 political parties in England plus the Scots &+Welsh Nationalists and the Irish parties.
Lib Dems would probably do well in an STV system. Agree proportional representation for HoL with large regional constituencies.
Sadly it isn’t likely to happen especially if you get a big majority under the current system with a third of the vote. |
Greens would also likely do reasonably well under such a system, but PR would actually generate some real change in favour of both Greens and LD.
Precisely why Lab/Con will never plum for it. | |
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