| Piroe 14:08 - Jan 28 with 2456 views | cressi |
If he wants to stay at Leeds please lets not fluff about and end up scratching on the last day. Hopefully he was only one of a number on a list. |  | | |  |
| Piroe on 14:09 - Jan 28 with 2458 views | homer_123 |
All the evidence suggest that during Ashton and McKenna's tenure - there is only ever 1 person on the list at any give time. |  |
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| Piroe on 14:26 - Jan 28 with 2245 views | Denny32 |
He wants to stay and fight for a starting place which probably will never come about..so sitting on the bench all season? Some ambition he has | | | |
| Piroe on 15:25 - Jan 28 with 1846 views | BlueNomad |
| Piroe on 14:09 - Jan 28 by homer_123 |
All the evidence suggest that during Ashton and McKenna's tenure - there is only ever 1 person on the list at any give time. |
Yet me have just made two very promising signings in three working days.
Do you really think they only think about one signing at a time when there are so many moving parts to each one? We have this ridiculous type of comment every window. |  | | |
| Piroe on 15:27 - Jan 28 with 1810 views | homer_123 |
| Piroe on 15:25 - Jan 28 by BlueNomad |
Yet me have just made two very promising signings in three working days.
Do you really think they only think about one signing at a time when there are so many moving parts to each one? We have this ridiculous type of comment every window. |
Whhooooooossssshhhhhhhhhhh | |
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| Piroe on 15:41 - Jan 28 with 1675 views | Axeldalai_lama |
The usual frustrating caveat that players we want will be torn between top champ bottom prem and holding out for the prem. It's the age old thing of sign potentially worse players quicker or hold out and hope.
As I type I am equally frustrated and can see it petering out again to nothing, but there is no simple answer other than signing vaguely adequate dross early on. |  | | |
| Piroe on 15:54 - Jan 28 with 1590 views | bsw72 |
| Piroe on 15:27 - Jan 28 by homer_123 |
Whhooooooossssshhhhhhhhhhh |
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| Piroe on 15:55 - Jan 28 with 1578 views | cressi |
| Piroe on 15:25 - Jan 28 by BlueNomad |
Yet me have just made two very promising signings in three working days.
Do you really think they only think about one signing at a time when there are so many moving parts to each one? We have this ridiculous type of comment every window. |
Nothing ridiculous about it the club don't seem to have problem signing wingers wide players or right backs, But a quality centre forward seems more problematic
We have known since last march. | | | |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 with 1499 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Piroe on 15:55 - Jan 28 by cressi |
Nothing ridiculous about it the club don't seem to have problem signing wingers wide players or right backs, But a quality centre forward seems more problematic
We have known since last march. |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |  |
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| Piroe on 16:10 - Jan 28 with 1479 views | Samuelowen88 |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |
Your point 1.
Pretty sure Delap was a young striker bought to develop. He just developed faster than expected, and then the contract clause forced our hand to sell him. |  |
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| Piroe on 16:17 - Jan 28 with 1401 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Piroe on 16:10 - Jan 28 by Samuelowen88 |
Your point 1.
Pretty sure Delap was a young striker bought to develop. He just developed faster than expected, and then the contract clause forced our hand to sell him. |
He's 22, i was thinking D Bent age development with first team.
I wouldnt say delap developed faster than expected, he was on the rise when we purchased him, more limelight got him the move and clubs wanted to snatch him before others did imo.
But yeah was thinking of those who've done well in the u21 leagues, havent quite made the first team in prem type profiles | |
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| Piroe on 16:17 - Jan 28 with 1386 views | Vic |
Can you send this insight to Mr Ashton. Bet he hadn't thought of it |  |
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| Piroe on 16:29 - Jan 28 with 1303 views | hunty21 |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |
We did Al hamadi..... that went well | | | |
| Piroe on 16:44 - Jan 28 with 1176 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Piroe on 15:55 - Jan 28 by cressi |
Nothing ridiculous about it the club don't seem to have problem signing wingers wide players or right backs, But a quality centre forward seems more problematic
We have known since last march. |
I'd say it's a problem for everyone. This window seems to have been incredibly quiet, and if you look at the list of centre forwards that have been willing to sign for Championship clubs so far this window, is there anyone on that list that anyone think 'yeah, we missed out there - they would have been exactly what we need.
The complete list is :
August Priske
Lyndon Dykes
Justin Obikwu
Alfie Lloyd
Milan Smit
Nathan Lowe
Paul Mullin
Mo Faal | | | |
| Piroe on 16:48 - Jan 28 with 1152 views | lazyblue |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |
They don’t take an age trying to find the perfect striker, they knew exactly who they wanted on Jan jan 1st and it’s just a matter of getting the deal done. | | | |
| Piroe on 17:18 - Jan 28 with 1004 views | Zx1988 |
| Piroe on 16:29 - Jan 28 by hunty21 |
We did Al hamadi..... that went well |
I think the club's position rather got ahead of AAH.
Had we not been promoted in 23/24, he probably would have played a lot more in 24/25 and been more of a development prospect than he turned out to be. | |
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| Piroe on 17:24 - Jan 28 with 931 views | Cafe_Newman |
I can cope with a smarmy manager, but not a surly striker too. |  | | |
| Piroe on 17:27 - Jan 28 with 908 views | cressi |
| Piroe on 16:10 - Jan 28 by Samuelowen88 |
Your point 1.
Pretty sure Delap was a young striker bought to develop. He just developed faster than expected, and then the contract clause forced our hand to sell him. |
Frimley Blue was right Delap was bought to play wide we chased Broja for weeks and weeks thank god that never happened. | | | |
| Piroe on 17:43 - Jan 28 with 786 views | barcelonablue2 |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |
Isn't that exactly what Luca Fletcher from City and Runham from Chelsea have now been bought for? Young promising strikers who exceeded in the U21s and have the potential to be future talents?
AAH was bought in from L1 to be that when the club expected to be in the Champ and Delap was bought from Champ to be that in the Prem. Now the club have purchased Egeli, a prolific young forward who has played U-21s and was liked to one of, if not the best, current striker on the planet.
In AAH's case that club has developed quicker and moved on, in Delap's case he developed quicker than the club and moved on.
Every major team in Europe tries to buy young forwards for the same reason.
As far as forward planning could be done at the rate Ipswich have moved up in pedigree I think maybe give the club and Ashton some credit... | | | |
| Piroe on 17:54 - Jan 28 with 725 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Piroe on 17:43 - Jan 28 by barcelonablue2 |
Isn't that exactly what Luca Fletcher from City and Runham from Chelsea have now been bought for? Young promising strikers who exceeded in the U21s and have the potential to be future talents?
AAH was bought in from L1 to be that when the club expected to be in the Champ and Delap was bought from Champ to be that in the Prem. Now the club have purchased Egeli, a prolific young forward who has played U-21s and was liked to one of, if not the best, current striker on the planet.
In AAH's case that club has developed quicker and moved on, in Delap's case he developed quicker than the club and moved on.
Every major team in Europe tries to buy young forwards for the same reason.
As far as forward planning could be done at the rate Ipswich have moved up in pedigree I think maybe give the club and Ashton some credit... |
Kind of. But they're academy signings rather than part of the first team set up.
Aah wasnt u21 ( apologies if im wrong)
Neither was delap and he wasnt signed with striker in mind.
Egeli.. we will see. Playing on the right isnt suitable and cant really fall into the striker pot. I do think with egeli. If he wasnt £19 mill what ever it was. He'd be out on loan. [Post edited 28 Jan 18:00]
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| Piroe on 18:09 - Jan 28 with 635 views | barcelonablue2 |
| Piroe on 17:54 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Kind of. But they're academy signings rather than part of the first team set up.
Aah wasnt u21 ( apologies if im wrong)
Neither was delap and he wasnt signed with striker in mind.
Egeli.. we will see. Playing on the right isnt suitable and cant really fall into the striker pot. I do think with egeli. If he wasnt £19 mill what ever it was. He'd be out on loan. [Post edited 28 Jan 18:00]
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No AAH wasn't U21. The point with him and Delap was they were young forwards bought in for future plans which you are saying we don't plan for.
So in terms of U-21s attacking talents who can play at top Championship level. Looking at England
England's last Euros team was: Philogene, Delap, Hutchinson, Nwaneri, Stanfield, Mbuma and Gittens.
We did acquire the first three.
Nwaneri was playing 1st team for Arsenal and has now gone to another Champions League team on loan.
Stanfield is at Birmingham with no chance of being sold.
Mbuma we tried to purchased and aquire in the summer but the player chose to stay with City (I think we will likely go in again next Summer if we are in the prem)
Gittens was bought for insane money by Chelsea, purely because of his links to Maresca in City U21s.
So then we looked abroad and bought in Azon who was a Spanish U21 striker. You cannot say the club are not trying to pursue it as a strategy. We will probably also enquire about Lankshear next summer as another young striker to develop. [Post edited 28 Jan 18:10]
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| Piroe on 18:19 - Jan 28 with 572 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Piroe on 18:09 - Jan 28 by barcelonablue2 |
No AAH wasn't U21. The point with him and Delap was they were young forwards bought in for future plans which you are saying we don't plan for.
So in terms of U-21s attacking talents who can play at top Championship level. Looking at England
England's last Euros team was: Philogene, Delap, Hutchinson, Nwaneri, Stanfield, Mbuma and Gittens.
We did acquire the first three.
Nwaneri was playing 1st team for Arsenal and has now gone to another Champions League team on loan.
Stanfield is at Birmingham with no chance of being sold.
Mbuma we tried to purchased and aquire in the summer but the player chose to stay with City (I think we will likely go in again next Summer if we are in the prem)
Gittens was bought for insane money by Chelsea, purely because of his links to Maresca in City U21s.
So then we looked abroad and bought in Azon who was a Spanish U21 striker. You cannot say the club are not trying to pursue it as a strategy. We will probably also enquire about Lankshear next summer as another young striker to develop. [Post edited 28 Jan 18:10]
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I specifically said strikers aged 17/18 to develop as you've pointed out we have done a couple who are with the u21s, but it would have been good to have one involved with the first team.
you've mentioned Jayden, Hutch, both wide players, and delap again not purchased as a striker
Azon is 23
Nwaneri doesn't fit the profile i mentioned as youve mentioned he was involved in the first team picture at arsenal so that's an unlikely target anyhow
Mbumba is on loan at stoke
Something 'like' a James Wilson of hearts i guess, which kinda falls outside my no 1st team picture, but then it's hearts so that dont count lol | |
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| Piroe on 19:11 - Jan 28 with 372 views | barcelonablue2 |
| Piroe on 18:19 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
I specifically said strikers aged 17/18 to develop as you've pointed out we have done a couple who are with the u21s, but it would have been good to have one involved with the first team.
you've mentioned Jayden, Hutch, both wide players, and delap again not purchased as a striker
Azon is 23
Nwaneri doesn't fit the profile i mentioned as youve mentioned he was involved in the first team picture at arsenal so that's an unlikely target anyhow
Mbumba is on loan at stoke
Something 'like' a James Wilson of hearts i guess, which kinda falls outside my no 1st team picture, but then it's hearts so that dont count lol |
Bruh.
You want:
A) A 17/18 year old who is
B) Exclusively a striker
C) Who plays at a level similar to PL2 - good enough for the top of the championship but yet bags of talent to improve.
D) But you also need them to be not just be doing well enough that they haven't been called up to their own first team AND their parent club is willing to sell them despite being a future talent.
E) You need said prodigous striker to not have better options than the Championship (be totally off Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth's, Ligue1, Eredivise radar
F) You wanted Ipswich to have already purchased said player when we have only had a Premier League money to do so for 2 seasons.
My answers, while not apparently what you asked, were always to make the point. Ipswich have pursued a buy youth and develop them strategy. Especially, for forwards. Your demands have not been met with all the respect in the world because there is no chance in hell of Ipswich meeting them. The very best options we are able to acquire for 17/18 year old right now are players like Egeli. The club have done the best to do what you want them to do.
We are not going to sign a 18 year old marquee striker. Look at Brighton, the best team for scouting in the FA. It cost them 30m euros to bring in Kostoulas. 30m. We do not have 30m to chance on an 18yo gem. I agree it would be bloody brilliant. I just also don't think its possible.
Hopefully Ipswich are in a position in 10 years time where this is fair criticism, but right now it is simply a mission impossible | | | |
| Piroe on 19:55 - Jan 28 with 211 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Piroe on 19:11 - Jan 28 by barcelonablue2 |
Bruh.
You want:
A) A 17/18 year old who is
B) Exclusively a striker
C) Who plays at a level similar to PL2 - good enough for the top of the championship but yet bags of talent to improve.
D) But you also need them to be not just be doing well enough that they haven't been called up to their own first team AND their parent club is willing to sell them despite being a future talent.
E) You need said prodigous striker to not have better options than the Championship (be totally off Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth's, Ligue1, Eredivise radar
F) You wanted Ipswich to have already purchased said player when we have only had a Premier League money to do so for 2 seasons.
My answers, while not apparently what you asked, were always to make the point. Ipswich have pursued a buy youth and develop them strategy. Especially, for forwards. Your demands have not been met with all the respect in the world because there is no chance in hell of Ipswich meeting them. The very best options we are able to acquire for 17/18 year old right now are players like Egeli. The club have done the best to do what you want them to do.
We are not going to sign a 18 year old marquee striker. Look at Brighton, the best team for scouting in the FA. It cost them 30m euros to bring in Kostoulas. 30m. We do not have 30m to chance on an 18yo gem. I agree it would be bloody brilliant. I just also don't think its possible.
Hopefully Ipswich are in a position in 10 years time where this is fair criticism, but right now it is simply a mission impossible |
Think the issue is you're not understanding my expectations. Im not looking for town to find an 18 year old marquee striker, just was surprised we haven't signed one who would develop with the first team and we see coming on for various cameos in readiness for the future.
You've mentioned the two we brought in recently, I think ones a striker, apologies if it's both, but they are with the u21s... why not have them with the first team developing - that's my point, in 5 years we've had I think maybe 3 appearences from a 17/18 year old striker.
So yeah, not expecting the next 18 year old kane to be signed, but more of lets say that city striker but seeing him involved in the first team picture. | |
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| Piroe on 20:04 - Jan 28 with 163 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Piroe on 16:44 - Jan 28 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I'd say it's a problem for everyone. This window seems to have been incredibly quiet, and if you look at the list of centre forwards that have been willing to sign for Championship clubs so far this window, is there anyone on that list that anyone think 'yeah, we missed out there - they would have been exactly what we need.
The complete list is :
August Priske
Lyndon Dykes
Justin Obikwu
Alfie Lloyd
Milan Smit
Nathan Lowe
Paul Mullin
Mo Faal |
A slim list. And Paul Mullin’s only on there because Wigan terminated his loan in L1 so he’s gone back to Wrexham. I don’t know whether there are any more returning loanees making that list even shorter. |  |
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| Piroe on 20:09 - Jan 28 with 132 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Piroe on 16:08 - Jan 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally think we have issues here because we look to much towards the perfect forward
It's near on impossible at champ level let alone champ promoted to find a forward who combines the hirst role with a prolific striker tag, if they excist then they cost a fortune and will be wanted by bigger clubs
Our issue is that we 'seem' to take an age in trying to find someone who fits near that tag rather than concentrating on striker who can score goals. and with wide players, we just over pay to make sure we get them.
1 - I'm really suprised we havent in 5 years purchased a young stiker to develop ( 17/18 )
2 - last season we got lucky with delap, we were still trying to get another striker so ended up with delap having to play more games than i think he would have done. |
You mean someone like Luca Fletcher (18) from Man City or Josh Pitts (17) from Southampton?
Maybe because we didn't see others who we considered were better than those we were already bringing through? Or maybe we did sign others who haven't made it or got poached by Premier League sides before they have? |  |
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