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Greens odds on to win with Reform 2nd and Labour 3rd. Surely that would be the end of Starmer if that happened. One can only hope. I cant see some members of the party waiting for the annihilation in the May elections. https://www.oddschecker.com/po
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:53 - Feb 16 with 936 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:30 - Feb 16 by itfcjoe
Hard to know if this is just a feature or a bug now, is the country ungovernable in that regard? New crisis every day, no time for thinking, no broad coalitions in parties etc
The 24 hour news cycle and lucrative careers in political commentary, coupled with the rise of social media, has a lot to answer for. That said, decent leaders and competent politicians should have the strength to rise above a lot of the noise that hampers them.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:34 - Feb 16 by DJR
You probably wear your heart on your sleeve more than me but it does mean you get stick that you don't deserve, with people picking you up on sentences and the like and missing the overriding thrust of what you are saying.
I also voted Green at the last general election for the first time ever because I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour knowing all that I did then. And even more disturbing things have emerged since then.
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I get all that- but the reality is that splitting the labour vote massively increases the chances of Farage.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:34 - Feb 16 by DJR
You probably wear your heart on your sleeve more than me but it does mean you get stick that you don't deserve, with people picking you up on sentences and the like and missing the overriding thrust of what you are saying.
I also voted Green at the last general election for the first time ever because I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour knowing all that I did then. And even more disturbing things have emerged since then.
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I dunno there’s a spectacular amount sh1te and leftier than bias been spouted over the last few pages. I get you two see yourselves as purer and better than us lefties who see the damage Corbyn did, but the way you two are trying to rewrite history here is as bad as any Tory / reform apologising.
Some of the stuff JD has come out with here is even more fanciful and culty than his dodgy football takes.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:57 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
I get all that- but the reality is that splitting the labour vote massively increases the chances of Farage.
If all Labour have going for them is that they aren't Reform (although their approach to immigration is a decent imitation to be fair) then that's pretty weak sauce as a compelling reason to get out and vote for them. They need to actually provide a positive vision and good reasons to vote for them, not just rely on people voting for them solely to keep Reform out.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:58 - Feb 16 by Mullet
I dunno there’s a spectacular amount sh1te and leftier than bias been spouted over the last few pages. I get you two see yourselves as purer and better than us lefties who see the damage Corbyn did, but the way you two are trying to rewrite history here is as bad as any Tory / reform apologising.
Some of the stuff JD has come out with here is even more fanciful and culty than his dodgy football takes.
Thanks for the insults.
And apart from saying I wasn't a Corbynite, where have I mentioned Corbyn in all this?
For what it's worth, I've always thought smears were an attempt to close down debate.
And this is what John Stuart Mill said about this matter.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:39 - Feb 16 with 810 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:04 - Feb 16 by Herbivore
If all Labour have going for them is that they aren't Reform (although their approach to immigration is a decent imitation to be fair) then that's pretty weak sauce as a compelling reason to get out and vote for them. They need to actually provide a positive vision and good reasons to vote for them, not just rely on people voting for them solely to keep Reform out.
By-elections have long been an opportunity for a protest vote, as people know they aren't electing the next government. Labour is currently unpopular, particularly with its own lefties & this is a golden opportunity for them to vote Green in order to send a message to Starmer. They won't actually care if this lets Reform win the seat.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:58 - Feb 16 by Mullet
I dunno there’s a spectacular amount sh1te and leftier than bias been spouted over the last few pages. I get you two see yourselves as purer and better than us lefties who see the damage Corbyn did, but the way you two are trying to rewrite history here is as bad as any Tory / reform apologising.
Some of the stuff JD has come out with here is even more fanciful and culty than his dodgy football takes.
Corbyn derangement syndrome claims another innocent bystander.
He's not been leader of the Labour party for 6 years.
I don't see how what I've said is lefty at all - I've not even got to the politics of the government, just the malfeasance, corruption and incompetence.
What history am I rewriting?
This was supposed to be the grown ups back in the room. They were always going to be anything but. I'm sorry if people who listen to Rest is Politics and the News Agents are upset but it's just the truth.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:18 - Feb 16 with 752 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:57 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
I get all that- but the reality is that splitting the labour vote massively increases the chances of Farage.
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they told people like me to f off out of the party and commenced on a crackdowns and flags binge of their own.
You can't purge the left and then ask it to vote for you.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:18 - Feb 16 by jasondozzell
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they told people like me to f off out of the party and commenced on a crackdowns and flags binge of their own.
You can't purge the left and then ask it to vote for you.
Righto- screw the country then. Lets have Trump lite and all that goes with it?
This is what is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Or as Stewart Lee puts it- once Farage gets in, it will be like having shat the bed in protest, and then realisting that you now have to sleep in a shhatted bed...
Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:04 - Feb 16 by Herbivore
If all Labour have going for them is that they aren't Reform (although their approach to immigration is a decent imitation to be fair) then that's pretty weak sauce as a compelling reason to get out and vote for them. They need to actually provide a positive vision and good reasons to vote for them, not just rely on people voting for them solely to keep Reform out.
Quite. That’s why they’re in the mess they’re in. Being the ‘anything but the Tories’ option worked once, but won’t again now that people have seen they offer no vision and hope.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:31 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
Righto- screw the country then. Lets have Trump lite and all that goes with it?
This is what is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Or as Stewart Lee puts it- once Farage gets in, it will be like having shat the bed in protest, and then realisting that you now have to sleep in a shhatted bed...
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Oh no. You don't get to play that card. Not after what happened.
I will vote for people with principles and who I believe in politically.
No one is owed a vote.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:45 - Feb 16 with 692 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:31 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
Righto- screw the country then. Lets have Trump lite and all that goes with it?
This is what is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Or as Stewart Lee puts it- once Farage gets in, it will be like having shat the bed in protest, and then realisting that you now have to sleep in a shhatted bed...
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The problem though is that they have lost support to other non-right parties because of their approach, and this means in a first-past-the-post system that it will be very difficult to know which is the right party to vote for if one votes tactically at the next election.
Of course, there are tactical voting sites, but these didn't always agree when support for the parties was not so split.
And I imagine the vast majority of people will not even look at such sites before casting their vote.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:46 - Feb 16 with 681 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:16 - Feb 16 by jasondozzell
Corbyn derangement syndrome claims another innocent bystander.
He's not been leader of the Labour party for 6 years.
I don't see how what I've said is lefty at all - I've not even got to the politics of the government, just the malfeasance, corruption and incompetence.
What history am I rewriting?
This was supposed to be the grown ups back in the room. They were always going to be anything but. I'm sorry if people who listen to Rest is Politics and the News Agents are upset but it's just the truth.
You even rant like a MAGA cultist, full horseshoe and no luck eh?
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:45 - Feb 16 by DJR
The problem though is that they have lost support to other non-right parties because of their approach, and this means in a first-past-the-post system that it will be very difficult to know which is the right party to vote for if one votes tactically at the next election.
Of course, there are tactical voting sites, but these didn't always agree when support for the parties was not so split.
And I imagine the vast majority of people will not even look at such sites before casting their vote.
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Yeah, the thought hit me the other day that I might have to vote green next time, if they in the best position to win. This would actually be pretty tricky for a few reasons. Best brace for it though and hope Stella Creasy (my mp) can fend off the array nut jobs gunning for her locally.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:50 - Feb 16 by giant_stow
Yeah, the thought hit me the other day that I might have to vote green next time, if they in the best position to win. This would actually be pretty tricky for a few reasons. Best brace for it though and hope Stella Creasy (my mp) can fend off the array nut jobs gunning for her locally.
To give Stella Creasy her due, she has been pretty critical of the government but whether this will do her any good at the next election is another matter.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:56 - Feb 16 with 639 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:54 - Feb 16 by DJR
To give Stella Creasy her due, she has been pretty critical of the government but whether this will do her any good at the next election is another matter.
She gets very little credit for anything in the local socials, despite being a bit of an outsider.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:54 - Feb 16 by DJR
To give Stella Creasy her due, she has been pretty critical of the government but whether this will do her any good at the next election is another matter.
Creasy one of the worst exponents of the antisemitism smears. And that's before you get to Dan Fox's behaviour.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:06 - Feb 16 with 608 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:31 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
Righto- screw the country then. Lets have Trump lite and all that goes with it?
This is what is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Or as Stewart Lee puts it- once Farage gets in, it will be like having shat the bed in protest, and then realisting that you now have to sleep in a shhatted bed...
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No culpability for the labour centrists, oh so electable, who will have been in power for five years with a huge majority yet too afraid of focus groups to go through with anything they announce.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:06 - Feb 16 with 606 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:40 - Feb 16 by jasondozzell
Oh no. You don't get to play that card. Not after what happened.
I will vote for people with principles and who I believe in politically.
No one is owed a vote.
Its not a card.
Im not even a labour voter.
But if you vote for people with principle (and I can only think of one alternative now) and others do the same- you may as well vote fascist. Because thats what you help give us.
Regardless of principle, that is the pragmatic reality.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:04 - Feb 16 by jasondozzell
Creasy one of the worst exponents of the antisemitism smears. And that's before you get to Dan Fox's behaviour.
Yeah she gets a lot of that. Personally, I was grateful for the solidarity (not that I'm Jewish, but my Mrs/son/mother in sort of law are)
Edit: btw for people who dont know or care, Dan Fox is SC's husband... yes, we really are in a place where a women can still be judged for what her husband does.
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:06 - Feb 16 by redrickstuhaart
Its not a card.
Im not even a labour voter.
But if you vote for people with principle (and I can only think of one alternative now) and others do the same- you may as well vote fascist. Because thats what you help give us.
Regardless of principle, that is the pragmatic reality.
The 'at least we're not Nazis' appeal.
As ever:
I voted Labour in every election in my lifetime except 2024. I won't ever vote for them again. The party is morally bankrupt.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:16 - Feb 16 with 547 views
Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:10 - Feb 16 by jasondozzell
The 'at least we're not Nazis' appeal.
As ever:
I voted Labour in every election in my lifetime except 2024. I won't ever vote for them again. The party is morally bankrupt.
Are you seriously saying that you voted for Labour in the elections after they got us involved in Iraq on the basis of fake WMD reports, but find Labour under Starmer more objectionable?
Blimey.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:33 - Feb 16 by Swansea_Blue
Quite. That’s why they’re in the mess they’re in. Being the ‘anything but the Tories’ option worked once, but won’t again now that people have seen they offer no vision and hope.
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These are exactly the same forces that drove Americans to vote for Trump. They are now encouraging people to vote for Reform or the Greens. Will be interesting to see if this is sustainable into the next General Election, as FPTP works so much against smaller or newer parties.
Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:16 - Feb 16 by Dubtractor
Are you seriously saying that you voted for Labour in the elections after they got us involved in Iraq on the basis of fake WMD reports, but find Labour under Starmer more objectionable?
Blimey.
My first election was 2005. I had been brought up in a Labour household and I voted in the North East where my university was in a solid Labour territory area. I was against the war but remember that this is before Chilcott etc. and much that came out after.
Blair for all the ills he introduced had a political project and political acumen. Blairism ultimately a continuation of destructive Thatcherism but he was a talented politician and the party still had heavyweights. You can't compare to Starmer at all.
Starmer is without any principles, vision or ability.
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Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:32 - Feb 16 with 490 views
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