| Gorton and Denton By-election 19:20 - Feb 15 with 8278 views | gtsb1966 |
Greens odds on to win with Reform 2nd and Labour 3rd. Surely that would be the end of Starmer if that happened. One can only hope. I cant see some members of the party waiting for the annihilation in the May elections.
https://www.oddschecker.com/po |  | | |  |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:04 - Feb 17 with 444 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:02 - Feb 17 by leitrimblue |
Think the real 'huge elephant in the room' is a large proportion of C2, D and E feel they have been let down, tricked and ignored full stop.
The fact that some people wish to outline this as them just being tricked and ignored solely on immigration rather then on so many other issue's is part of a much bigger issue. |
This. |  |
| |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 with 427 views | Dubtractor |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:28 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
i don't believe they were carefully chosen. that's entirely and solely the take of people who want to rubbish the speech and want to avoid engaging with it's content.
the 3 words were the exact opposite of carefully chosen - they are a cock up and whoever wrote the speech should be fired. alas this is a government which is being brought down by these sorts of communications cock ups - again and again and again.
without those 3 words people - like those on this thread - would actually have to engage with the points made in the speech, rather than point to the 3 words and walk away as if nothing more needs to be said. whoever put the 3 words into the speech is an incompetent idiot. |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |  |
| |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 with 378 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 by Dubtractor |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:24 - Feb 17 with 370 views | Dubtractor |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |
Just for clarity, I haven't in any of my posts made the link to Powell, I think the words were pretty awful in their own right.
And enough of this 'groupthink' has taken its position against you, so you give up nonsense. I've disagreed pretty forcefully with some of Jasondozzell's posting this week, and told him so, the idea that we're all a hive mind is daft.
Just because a lot of posters disagree with you, doesn't make it some kind of group closing of ranks, perhaps you've just posted something that lots disagree with. It really isn't that deep. [Post edited 17 Feb 22:18]
| |
| |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:28 - Feb 17 with 360 views | Mullet |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 by Dubtractor |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |
Exactly and while I don’t agree with Starmers messaging, I at least understand it and why he’s trying to do it. It just makes me very sad.
In a functioning democracy a load of Tories would be in jail for their post Brexit/Covid conduct/fraud/ treachery or at least banned from holding all public office.
Instead they are now turquoise terrorists spinning the same con and blaming their former actions on someone else instead. |  |
| |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 21:22 - Feb 17 with 268 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 10:09 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of class your link doesn't support what you're saying. in the report the difference in support for labour between ab (36%) and de (34%) wasn't outside of the polling error. in terms of education and income, labour's reliance on graduates and higher income earners has been true for a very long time - i'm sure in 2019 under corbyn it was just the same.
what is more interesting is that, with one exception, support for no party is shown as varying by class. the exception of course is reform. and that points to the huge elephant in the room which you are always determined to ignore. a large proportion of people in cd and de feel that they have been let down, tricked and ignored over immigration. they have voted consistently for policies to reduce it and yet mass immigration has gone on regardless. the fact that mass immigration has been pursued with no electoral mandate has shattered their confidence in main stream politics. it is this single issue above all else that is currently driving the pattern of party support - if you insist on ignoring that you can't explain what's going on. |
And what happens when immigration goes down and the cd e voters see their lives being no different except for no care or hospital staff.
How will you carry on legitimising this scapegoating?
People voted for Hitler's message. It didn't make it right. |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 22:01 - Feb 17 with 219 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 21:22 - Feb 17 by reusersfreekicks |
And what happens when immigration goes down and the cd e voters see their lives being no different except for no care or hospital staff.
How will you carry on legitimising this scapegoating?
People voted for Hitler's message. It didn't make it right. |
The unemployment rate for 18 to 24 year old is at 14% so obviously all political parties will be promoting fully funded further education/apprenticeships and well paid employment in the public sector.
https://www.theguardian.com/so | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 22:05 - Feb 17 with 211 views | Herbivore |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |
This is embarrassing. |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
