| Re Andrew - where does this rank? 12:51 - Feb 19 with 1706 views | nrb1985 |
I find myself on occasion thinking about the various defining global events of my life.
In chronological order, I would broadly say they were Diana, 9/11, Iraq, 2008 Financial Crisis, iPhone, Brexit…
Where does this one rank in terms of significance? While the direction of travel for Andrew has been clear for some weeks, can’t quite believe he’s been arrested.
Truly without precedent.
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:49 - Feb 19 with 409 views | leitrimblue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:41 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
You don't think the queen's son and the monarch's brother being arrested is of great significance?
I think this could ultimately end up being their undoing personally - maybe not today or tomorrow but this will have fairly seismic repercussions, especially if it comes out they knew and enabled him.
That against a backdrop of all time low levels of support for the monarchy, especially among Gen Z. [Post edited 19 Feb 13:43]
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Argh they'll just ride it out like a bad acid trip. Lay low for a while, distance themselves and obviously not mention the £12 million squid they were happy to spend in a failed attempt to protect the greasy slimebag and make it all go a way.
Then quietly comeback, repeat the nonsense about being good for tourism and carry on leeching off us like the parasites they are.
Its worked for hundreds of years, no reason to think anythings about to change unfortunately. |  | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:49 - Feb 19 with 409 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:44 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
Yes good point.
I think though, as per my post a moment ago, the extent to which it's changed our lives in the years subsequent is what I was getting at. |
Internet and email has to be up there.
Unless I'm missing something I can't really see how today's developments will change the lives of anyone in society. The monarchy will survive, Andrew will be further ostracised and live out his days with the public perception of him being an utter wrong un, but life for most will go on unchanged. |  | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:52 - Feb 19 with 399 views | Keno |
The day I discovered TWTD
has to be up there as a life defining event |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:54 - Feb 19 with 385 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:19 - Feb 19 by homer_123 |
Not as high as Topics being discontinued or Branigan's Beef Crisps. |
Or the earth-shattering announcement in 2014 that Heinz had stopped producing their tinned sponge puddings 
https://www.facebook.com/group
I haven't had a spotted dick since. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:56 - Feb 19 with 369 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:01 - Feb 19 by bluelagos |
It feels like a moment, and it could evolve into a serious risk for the monarchy.
But tbh (and I say this as a republican) the majority of people are wedded to the royals. AMs behaviour is not exactly news yet most people choose to doth their cap just as they always have done.
Support for the monarchy may drop a few points but they'll cut him off and conveniently forget the years of enabling that Charlie and Lizzie did for Andrew. |
It does shine a ridiculous light on the monarchy as a whole. He was part of the monarchy because of who he plopped out of, which was the only thing that Epstein etc cared about, the fact that he was a royal. And somehow now, after enabling him for a bit they've cut him loose and he's not 'one of them' any more, so it's now nothing to do with the royals.
So he's privileged and pampered and above us all because of him being born that way and that's all hunky dory, begging your pardon sir doff my cap and bow. Right until such time as he becomes a problem for them and then they can absolutely cut him loose and walk away and make him a normal pleb and that's also all good and nothing they can do and nothing to do with the royals thank you very much.
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:00 - Feb 19 with 361 views | nrb1985 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:49 - Feb 19 by _CliveBaker_ |
Internet and email has to be up there.
Unless I'm missing something I can't really see how today's developments will change the lives of anyone in society. The monarchy will survive, Andrew will be further ostracised and live out his days with the public perception of him being an utter wrong un, but life for most will go on unchanged. |
Nobody's life changed after the death of Diana but it would be hard not to acknowledge it as an event of important significance. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:03 - Feb 19 with 344 views | Guthrum |
Not all that highly, IMO.
Moderate levels of polling lauded by Republic notwithstanding, there is little real appetite - especially at Parliamentary level - for the upheaval and political fights which would be required to abolish the monarchy from outside. And they are unlikely to go of their own accord, with William evidently most keen on succeeding his father.
Who today remembers the royal crisis of 1861-72, which saw strong republican feelings, protests and mass demonstrations? The monarchy was genuinely on the brink, before Disraeli pulled Queen Victoria out of her self-imposed seclusion and, a few years later, made her Empress of India.
There is strong, if perhaps still politically unpalatable, precedent for this arrest, with the detention, trial and execution of Charles I in 1646-49 (on much more serious charges, of levying war against his subjects). |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:05 - Feb 19 with 336 views | nrb1985 |
still looks a good laugh tbf. | | | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:05 - Feb 19 with 334 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:00 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
Nobody's life changed after the death of Diana but it would be hard not to acknowledge it as an event of important significance. |
On the basis of 'event of important significance' possibly. Although the passing of Queen Liz is an obvious omission from the list on that basis.
Your later definition of 'the extent to which it's changed our lives in the years subsequent', perhaps less so IMO. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:06 - Feb 19 with 327 views | LeoMuff |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:00 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
Nobody's life changed after the death of Diana but it would be hard not to acknowledge it as an event of important significance. |
In my lifetime
1 covid
2 9/11
3 lady Di
4 Chernobyl
5 Indian Ocean Tsunami
Maybe makes top 20 seismic events. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:07 - Feb 19 with 321 views | homer_123 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:54 - Feb 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Or the earth-shattering announcement in 2014 that Heinz had stopped producing their tinned sponge puddings
https://www.facebook.com/group
I haven't had a spotted dick since. |
On the plus side, I guess you don't need to visit the doctor as much? |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:09 - Feb 19 with 300 views | blueislander |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:52 - Feb 19 by Keno |
The day I discovered TWTD
has to be up there as a life defining event |
Discovering that Penny Smith was not available was your life defining moment surely? | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:09 - Feb 19 with 297 views | nrb1985 |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:05 - Feb 19 by _CliveBaker_ |
On the basis of 'event of important significance' possibly. Although the passing of Queen Liz is an obvious omission from the list on that basis.
Your later definition of 'the extent to which it's changed our lives in the years subsequent', perhaps less so IMO. |
I think though Lizzie's demise though was expected for some years and she died of natural causes having lived a long life.
Diana was sudden and shocking - and then of course there was the subsequent silence from the Royals, until Blair's intervention.
To your second point, my definition of "definitive" is pretty loose - I suppose what I really means is how vividly I remember those things and their significance to me. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:10 - Feb 19 with 285 views | heavyweight |
The Berlin wall coming down has to rank in there too. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:15 - Feb 19 with 253 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:09 - Feb 19 by nrb1985 |
I think though Lizzie's demise though was expected for some years and she died of natural causes having lived a long life.
Diana was sudden and shocking - and then of course there was the subsequent silence from the Royals, until Blair's intervention.
To your second point, my definition of "definitive" is pretty loose - I suppose what I really means is how vividly I remember those things and their significance to me. |
Fair enough. I think there's probably categories, such as the extent to which they made a lasting impression / "remember where you where when" type events. Otherwise perhaps developments that change civilisation as we know it, I'd say the internet / email / social media probably all have done so massively in that space, but they're less 'events' per se and more progressive developments.
9/11 is probably the most significant "remember where you were" event for me over my lifetime. I was at school, 13 / 14 years old, our Science teacher wheeled the TV in and put the news on. I remember going home on the bus and watching the coverage when I got in. I bought a paper from the village shop the following morning to read on the school bus. Other than the Green 'Un I'd never bought a paper in my life. | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:27 - Feb 19 with 218 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:52 - Feb 19 by Keno |
The day I discovered TWTD
has to be up there as a life defining event |
More life ending in my case. Or at least ending any chance of ever getting anything done around the house. | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:50 - Feb 19 with 188 views | grow_our_own |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:03 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
Not all that highly, IMO.
Moderate levels of polling lauded by Republic notwithstanding, there is little real appetite - especially at Parliamentary level - for the upheaval and political fights which would be required to abolish the monarchy from outside. And they are unlikely to go of their own accord, with William evidently most keen on succeeding his father.
Who today remembers the royal crisis of 1861-72, which saw strong republican feelings, protests and mass demonstrations? The monarchy was genuinely on the brink, before Disraeli pulled Queen Victoria out of her self-imposed seclusion and, a few years later, made her Empress of India.
There is strong, if perhaps still politically unpalatable, precedent for this arrest, with the detention, trial and execution of Charles I in 1646-49 (on much more serious charges, of levying war against his subjects). |
I don't see it'd be much more upheaval than recent monarchy to republic conversions in other countries. No "revolution" required any more than in eg Greece and Barbados. Fundamentally, it's swapping an aristocrat for an elected head of state. Referendum with a clear outcome (not another Brexit), followed by an act of parliament replacing references to "crown" with "state", then elect a new president.
No need to reject our rich royal history, all the place names, Elizabeth & Victoria Line, etc can stay. Open the palaces to tourism, cut-off the extended liggers, have a proper defender of the constitution (no more proroguing Parliament), no more tax-breaks, nor opaque influence on our laws.
President needn't be a politician, eg current Irish president ran as an independent (former psychologist), they've also had an academic and a poet lately. We'd only get "President Blair" if we vote for him.
https://www.republic.org.uk | | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:52 - Feb 19 with 179 views | Radlett_blue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:50 - Feb 19 by grow_our_own |
I don't see it'd be much more upheaval than recent monarchy to republic conversions in other countries. No "revolution" required any more than in eg Greece and Barbados. Fundamentally, it's swapping an aristocrat for an elected head of state. Referendum with a clear outcome (not another Brexit), followed by an act of parliament replacing references to "crown" with "state", then elect a new president.
No need to reject our rich royal history, all the place names, Elizabeth & Victoria Line, etc can stay. Open the palaces to tourism, cut-off the extended liggers, have a proper defender of the constitution (no more proroguing Parliament), no more tax-breaks, nor opaque influence on our laws.
President needn't be a politician, eg current Irish president ran as an independent (former psychologist), they've also had an academic and a poet lately. We'd only get "President Blair" if we vote for him.
https://www.republic.org.uk |
I hardly think changing the name of the Victoria or Elizabeth Line will prove challenging (although unnecessary). The latter has always been Crossrail to me. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:22 - Feb 19 with 148 views | Mullet |
Hopefully more and more people are waking up to what a rotten, corrupt drain on our country his mob are.
But I’d say it will only be a big deal if it brings the scum down with him. Otherwise it’s just a talking point in history and an anecdote at best. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:24 - Feb 19 with 136 views | Ryorry |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:30 - Feb 19 by Illinoisblue |
Significant for sure in terms of how people consume content and together with the rise of social media an undeniable shift in society. But not remotely on a par with a terrorist attack on American soil.
Perhaps we need different categories to group things better. |
And the aftermath/consequences of 9/11 globally, |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:24 - Feb 19 with 136 views | Keno |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:22 - Feb 19 by Mullet |
Hopefully more and more people are waking up to what a rotten, corrupt drain on our country his mob are.
But I’d say it will only be a big deal if it brings the scum down with him. Otherwise it’s just a talking point in history and an anecdote at best. |
Bit harsh on Phil, Gav and Mark
Oh you mean the Royal Family | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:25 - Feb 19 with 121 views | Dubtractor |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 13:10 - Feb 19 by Illinoisblue |
Opal Fruits to Starburst, too. We have lived history. |
And the rebranding of midget gems to mini gems.
I'm clutching a bit here, I know. |  |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:27 - Feb 19 with 107 views | Mullet |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:25 - Feb 19 by Dubtractor |
And the rebranding of midget gems to mini gems.
I'm clutching a bit here, I know. |
Well the mental image of you clutching your mini gems is going to haunt us all. | |
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| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:30 - Feb 19 with 93 views | Blueschev |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 14:50 - Feb 19 by grow_our_own |
I don't see it'd be much more upheaval than recent monarchy to republic conversions in other countries. No "revolution" required any more than in eg Greece and Barbados. Fundamentally, it's swapping an aristocrat for an elected head of state. Referendum with a clear outcome (not another Brexit), followed by an act of parliament replacing references to "crown" with "state", then elect a new president.
No need to reject our rich royal history, all the place names, Elizabeth & Victoria Line, etc can stay. Open the palaces to tourism, cut-off the extended liggers, have a proper defender of the constitution (no more proroguing Parliament), no more tax-breaks, nor opaque influence on our laws.
President needn't be a politician, eg current Irish president ran as an independent (former psychologist), they've also had an academic and a poet lately. We'd only get "President Blair" if we vote for him.
https://www.republic.org.uk |
I love how people scoff at the idea of President Blair and use it as an argument against a Republic, when Blair comfortably won 3 general elections . (This is no defence of the man, I despise him). |  | | |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:33 - Feb 19 with 86 views | Radlett_blue |
| Re Andrew - where does this rank? on 15:30 - Feb 19 by Blueschev |
I love how people scoff at the idea of President Blair and use it as an argument against a Republic, when Blair comfortably won 3 general elections . (This is no defence of the man, I despise him). |
A President can be an apolitical figurehead. This seems to have worked quite well in Ireland.
If we abolished the monarchy, my Rule 1 is that the President cannot be either a current or former member of either of the Houses of Parliament. | |
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