| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? 01:42 - Feb 20 with 3244 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I’m not saying this as a statement just asking the question for someone that has been to one game this year and rarely looks at Twitter. Maybe it’s way worse than I understand.
Narratives quickly pick up pace but I hate for half the fan base to be labeled as “abusing” a player when it’s not true. There’s criticism, frustration (maybe about recruitment in the position as well that boils over) and abuse, all very different things.
I’ve heard radio interviews, podcasts and now KM talking about it in one week. It can cause a bit of a rift in and more edginess in the support when it gathers momentum. I always think social media is a very small subset of fans, like a tiny percentage in reality but they are also the loudest. A few idiots make a video and suddenly becomes a major topic. We’ve always had a bit of a groany fanbase and I’ve heard a lot of idiotic stuff at PR over the years but when you think we have 28k home fans and one of the best away support in the division, is it as bad as people are saying?!
Can’t help but think a lot of this energy would be better spent and making noise and creating atmosphere to show support, which has been lacking at home at times. Not like these muppets are being drowned out much!
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:49 - Feb 20 with 614 views | baxterbasics |
There are definitely lines being crossed between fair and constructive criticism (ie "Hirst is off his game lately") and unnecessary attacks ("He's useless, get rid, belongs in League 2" - but have seen much harsher).
As others say there's not so much of it here on TWTD (though news comments tend to be more extreme than the forum). It's X, FB groups and so on. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:55 - Feb 20 with 592 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:46 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
I disagree with your views on what constitutes abuse, but I fully agree with the following statement.
"he looks absolutely lost to me. not getting in some support/help in Jan is something i just cant get my head around from the club"
He is having a rotten season, but some of the stuff from our support is at a level I've not heard since Scowcroft was here and Burley picked him ahead of Mathie. [Post edited 20 Feb 9:47]
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i mean this with complete respect, what has been said/shouted that has been to that level?
as i clearly haven't heard it/seen it |  | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:01 - Feb 20 with 574 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:43 - Feb 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
I'm not disagreeing with the thrust of that, but I don't think it's as simple as saying if no goals he should have assists registering. He's not even that type and that's not how we play either. He's a focal point to get the team up the pitch, hold the ball, release to the wings and the attackers. Not a final flick through or setting up a second striker. Hence our 'wingers' both being in double figures. It's all part of the tricky reasoning. Either way he's very far off his best, which he'd probably admit. |
and i hear what you are saying. but how can he be this focal point that holds up the ball, when he's not able to do that?
thats not a dig (its my observation) of him, he's failing in nearly every aspect of his game.
i know others are saying about one going in off his arse etc, but there is so much wrong i just dont see how that changes this season. in IT terms, its like he needs a power cycle, config re-applied and a problem review carried out on him to ensure the issues dont re-occur | | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:12 - Feb 20 with 562 views | SomethingBlue |
I think it's been fairly bad to be honest. Many had decided on this Hirst narrative three games or so into the season. A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it. And to give Hirst, who has been behind some of our most wonderful moments in modern history, dog's abuse is reprehensible. It's a severe modern illness. [Post edited 20 Feb 10:13]
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| The Hirst ‘criticism’ is part of a wider problem with the fans this season on 10:13 - Feb 20 with 562 views | unstableblue |
The Hirst moaning and verbal criticism has been apparent home and away for much of the season. But it’s not just reserved for him McAteer, recently Egeli. And you know perhaps some criticism of those players is justified in part, but it’s way over the top and it’s combining with just a general apathy from the fans towards the new set of players and the season, especially at home.
But it’s not just them, OShea has had grumbles, despite him now being in Rolls Royce form. Walton gets sighs and groans for speed of outball.
Something has not been right, lower north is a morgue at times.
But positively the away end at Derby was extremely positive and buoyant, and I think we started to see real connections to the new batch of players,,, the Daragh/Kipre song, resurgence of Super Kieran McKenna… the adoration for Matusiwa and the efforts of Mehmeti
Fans need to stop criticising and step up now. We need to cheer and back players into form. Not make them cower.
I genuinely think if the team don’t go a run now, we’ll get adrift of the autos. Too many people thinking Coventry dip is permanent. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:15 - Feb 20 with 553 views | Dubtractor |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:55 - Feb 20 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i mean this with complete respect, what has been said/shouted that has been to that level?
as i clearly haven't heard it/seen it |
Inside the ground - numerous various of "fook off Hirst, you are sh1t you useless c#nt".
On socials you can see it all yourself. Even the 'banter' type stuff you refer to is crossing a line imo. The club put up a happy birthday to Hirst post the other day - you'd think even the most negative of our support could park the whining and either wish him a happy birthday, or at least just hold their tongue, but the comments are a stream of 'banter' about him. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:24 - Feb 20 with 539 views | Dubtractor |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:12 - Feb 20 by SomethingBlue |
I think it's been fairly bad to be honest. Many had decided on this Hirst narrative three games or so into the season. A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it. And to give Hirst, who has been behind some of our most wonderful moments in modern history, dog's abuse is reprehensible. It's a severe modern illness. [Post edited 20 Feb 10:13]
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"A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it."
This is spot on, and it feels like being proven right on that is more important to them than the team doing well. | |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:28 - Feb 20 with 528 views | ReusersTown |
There are a fair amount of tw*ts about desperate to get on the backs of one of our double promotion team members, a very important part at that, which gets my back up. If people could call that out when they hear it I would be much obliged. | | | |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:29 - Feb 20 with 525 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:20 - Feb 20 by Exiled2Surrey |
Until this week, Haji Wright was the worst striker in the division... |
There was a thread on the Cov forum before we played them titled Haji Shite |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:30 - Feb 20 with 524 views | ReusersTown |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 06:28 - Feb 20 by Benters |
I have heard there are new signs being put up on the gates saying ‘no hissing tutting or booing allowed’.Its hardly toxic stuff but it’s definitely there. |
You think booing one of your own players isn't toxic? Well... | | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:37 - Feb 20 with 513 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:15 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
Inside the ground - numerous various of "fook off Hirst, you are sh1t you useless c#nt".
On socials you can see it all yourself. Even the 'banter' type stuff you refer to is crossing a line imo. The club put up a happy birthday to Hirst post the other day - you'd think even the most negative of our support could park the whining and either wish him a happy birthday, or at least just hold their tongue, but the comments are a stream of 'banter' about him. |
i must say i have been to 95% of the games this season (home and away) and i've not heard Hirst told to FO - or called a useless C.
what i did hear when he missed that massive chance at home to PNE was a large number of "oh FFS!" with many standing with hands on head, arms out wide as if to say "really, you've really just done that"
which given the circumstances is absolutely acceptable. if your main striker cant hit the target at the very least in that situation you wont see anybody in any stadium worldwide stand up and clap. it was woeful.
fair enough if you feel the banter crosses the line, and on a birthday post people should really just keep quiet. | | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:47 - Feb 20 with 491 views | rickw |
If I was McKenna I'd tell Hirst fans are only critical of him as they know he is capable of so much more - we have high expectations of him!
2 years ago he was excellent all season - the first half he played all the time, other strikers hardly got a kick. We missed him badly when he got injured, then Moore came in and did well but then as soon as Hirst came back he went straight into the team and proved why.
Last season in the PL he had a good goals to minutes ratio, he was just unfortunate with injuries. Because of all of that he was the bookies favourite for top scorer this season |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 11:06 - Feb 20 with 466 views | Churchman |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:55 - Feb 20 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i mean this with complete respect, what has been said/shouted that has been to that level?
as i clearly haven't heard it/seen it |
He’s getting dogs abuse and you know it. Booed off when subbed you name it. He doesn’t deserve it. Hirst has done a lot for this club and to be top of the hate parade is unpleasant and counter productive, unless you want the team and individuals to fail.
He knows he’s not had the best of seasons but who knows, had he had a shred of support and encouragement it might have helped him and in turn the team. But our finest don’t want that.
Once Hirst has been driven out I wonder who is next? My money is on Egeli. Perfect target. |  | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 11:18 - Feb 20 with 440 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 11:06 - Feb 20 by Churchman |
He’s getting dogs abuse and you know it. Booed off when subbed you name it. He doesn’t deserve it. Hirst has done a lot for this club and to be top of the hate parade is unpleasant and counter productive, unless you want the team and individuals to fail.
He knows he’s not had the best of seasons but who knows, had he had a shred of support and encouragement it might have helped him and in turn the team. But our finest don’t want that.
Once Hirst has been driven out I wonder who is next? My money is on Egeli. Perfect target. |
respectfully i dont class what i've personally heard or seen as dogs abuse.
if he's been called a useless C (as mentioned in another post above) then yes, thats clearly too far.
i havent heard him booed off, a few sarcastic cheers, yes. but not booed.
he and the team have had plenty of support, sold out at home and away weekly. hes failed to produce anything remotely close to being good enough so far. hopefully that changes for the final 16 games. as if GH produces then we all benefit | | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 11:19 - Feb 20 with 441 views | FifeITFC |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 09:07 - Feb 20 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Away at Sheff Utd a group near me started the Azon chant. Not because he was on the pitch or warming up but because Hirst had made a mistake. It’s not helpful. |
It's the 2026 version of the Mathie vs. Scowcroft hostilities. It's really unpleasant and not in the slightest bit helpful.
He's a Town player, in a Town shirt and he's done a lot for us before this season. Yes, he's in a bad patch, but he's OUR player and we should support him. We all want the best for the club.
Booing a player purely because he's having a bad run of form is toxic, unhelpful and will only make matters worse - NOT better. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:10 - Feb 20 with 408 views | LankHenners |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:24 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
"A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it."
This is spot on, and it feels like being proven right on that is more important to them than the team doing well. |
Yeah, Hirst is copping the most flak at the moment but it still goes on with plenty of others unfortunately (McAteer, Egeli, Cajuste etc. - and the latter two people started off overhyping their performances if anything!), even Philogene had to score about 6 or 7 stunners before people got off his back.
Such is the way of the world unfortunately online nonsense seeps into 'real life'. There'll always be noises of frustration at a poor pass or a missed shot etc. which are all normal human reactions but some of the crap you hear in the stands is ridiculous. Almost willing a player to make a mistake so they can start slagging them off. |  |
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| Exactly right Dubbers on 12:12 - Feb 20 with 405 views | Dyland |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:24 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
"A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it."
This is spot on, and it feels like being proven right on that is more important to them than the team doing well. |
It’s so frustrating. Basically, people who would rather be right and the team fail than be wrong and the team succeed. Very hard of thinking, these so called fans. As Thingers writes, it’s some kind of mental illness or maybe hard wired insecurity. It’s fooking out irritating and ruins not only the game at times but possibly undermines the whole season. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:15 - Feb 20 with 390 views | Metal_Hacker |
If you haven't got the bollox to say it to someone's face then don't say it at all
Too many brave little munchkins hiding behind social media nowadays and it's disgusting
Massive difference between the definition of a fan and a supporter
Sherman Tankers the lot of em
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:38 - Feb 20 with 358 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Would be great if we gave him a song from the away end on Saturday. Does he even have one?
Alternatively could just sing football in a library or something. | | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:39 - Feb 20 with 354 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:38 - Feb 20 by PrideOfTheEast |
Would be great if we gave him a song from the away end on Saturday. Does he even have one?
Alternatively could just sing football in a library or something. |
Or something about Delia being a .......that'll help | |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 13:26 - Feb 20 with 315 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 08:16 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
Definitely not overblown.
Its actually not too bad on here re Hirst and negative comments, but other social media is dreadful, likewise the comments in the ground.
Pretty weird tbh that you're more worried about the narrative around this causing a problem, rather than the actual actions of supporters resulting in that reaction. And by your own admission you're not even looking at the social media where this is happening, nor in the ground. [Post edited 20 Feb 8:25]
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Always someone got to put an angle unfair angle on something, by my own admission? Yes that’s why I asked it as a question, I do think Social Media is a fairly small subset of fans.
What is apparent in the last 5-6 times I have been in the ground the atmosphere isn’t what it once was, I could legit here individual conversations from 2 blocks away against Sheffield Wednesday.
In my experience it’s pretty easy to label entire fanbases unfairly that’s all, happens with England all the time. Hopefully people get behind him now so he can have a good end to the season. | |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 13:29 - Feb 20 with 310 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 12:38 - Feb 20 by PrideOfTheEast |
Would be great if we gave him a song from the away end on Saturday. Does he even have one?
Alternatively could just sing football in a library or something. |
Think I heard the England one nicked (Kane number 9) a few times earlier in the year. | |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 13:31 - Feb 20 with 306 views | Steve_M |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 10:24 - Feb 20 by Dubtractor |
"A large chunk of our support have simply decided to dislike this team and these players, I'm not really sure what can be done about it."
This is spot on, and it feels like being proven right on that is more important to them than the team doing well. |
Yes, definitely. The criticism of Hirst is way over the top and definitely not objective. It’s been the same with McAteer who gets dogs abuse for minor errors that are ignored when others do similar.
There were shades of this with McCarthy when being right was clearly more important for far too many fans. And also from Summer 2001 until about 2005.
Some Town fans can’t deal with reverting a bit towards the mean after relative success it seems. |  |
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| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 13:53 - Feb 20 with 253 views | waveneyblue |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 11:06 - Feb 20 by Churchman |
He’s getting dogs abuse and you know it. Booed off when subbed you name it. He doesn’t deserve it. Hirst has done a lot for this club and to be top of the hate parade is unpleasant and counter productive, unless you want the team and individuals to fail.
He knows he’s not had the best of seasons but who knows, had he had a shred of support and encouragement it might have helped him and in turn the team. But our finest don’t want that.
Once Hirst has been driven out I wonder who is next? My money is on Egeli. Perfect target. |
Whilst I agree wholeheartedly, you know how this works.
The perma-negative fans never ever read this stuff, witness it or hear it, because its all made up and exaggerated by the "happy clappers" to get at them.
Very misunderstood are our super fans.
We Happy Clappers could learn a lot from them. |  | | |
| Are we in danger of overblowing the Hirst stuff? on 14:17 - Feb 20 with 230 views | blueoutlook |
You overblow everything  |  | | |
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