| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) 08:48 - Feb 22 with 3420 views | ITFC_Forever |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:11 - Feb 22 with 631 views | J2BLUE |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:01 - Feb 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not likely no.
Hopefully yes |
It doesn't feel like it because of the doom and gloom.
I know some of you don't pay any attention to stats and would prefer to go with gut feelings but over the last 20 games we are still top of the form table.
So yes it is likely even if some people want to think we are having a massive crisis.
Do I think we will actually do it? Admittedly not as confident as a I was but yes, I think we will get over the line. It probably won't be pretty but we will just about get there IMO. |  |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:14 - Feb 22 with 622 views | MattinLondon |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:11 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
It doesn't feel like it because of the doom and gloom.
I know some of you don't pay any attention to stats and would prefer to go with gut feelings but over the last 20 games we are still top of the form table.
So yes it is likely even if some people want to think we are having a massive crisis.
Do I think we will actually do it? Admittedly not as confident as a I was but yes, I think we will get over the line. It probably won't be pretty but we will just about get there IMO. |
Nailed it. |  | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:20 - Feb 22 with 607 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:11 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
It doesn't feel like it because of the doom and gloom.
I know some of you don't pay any attention to stats and would prefer to go with gut feelings but over the last 20 games we are still top of the form table.
So yes it is likely even if some people want to think we are having a massive crisis.
Do I think we will actually do it? Admittedly not as confident as a I was but yes, I think we will get over the line. It probably won't be pretty but we will just about get there IMO. |
the damage a game like yesterday could have on this weak group though, i'm certainly less than convinced we do it. |  | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:22 - Feb 22 with 601 views | J2BLUE |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:20 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
the damage a game like yesterday could have on this weak group though, i'm certainly less than convinced we do it. |
Weak? This is just a convenience unproveable line for those of you who want to piss yourselves every time we lose.
Yesterday was crap defensively. Not arguing that it wasn't but ffs get a grip. | |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:26 - Feb 22 with 585 views | MattinLondon |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:20 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
the damage a game like yesterday could have on this weak group though, i'm certainly less than convinced we do it. |
Weak? You’ll need to show your workings out for that. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:28 - Feb 22 with 585 views | BloomBlue |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 08:55 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i'm sorry but that is a pathetic take on how some people feel.
thousands of us have been here when we didnt have a pot to piss in, and thousands will be here after all this goes too.
but to be angry at losing in the manner we did, especially after a piss poor performance last friday at the same ground, isnt fcking entitlement.
im sure you'll be rewarded heavily with arrows up, and me probably down, but jesus christ - entitlement! |
Its total entitlement when you hear comments like 'we've spent £150m we should be beating teams like Wrexham'
Football has never been about money, we wouldn't have Div1, FA Cup, UEFA Cup winners against our name if it was. There were many richer clubs in those competitions when we won them.
There are too many entitled fans these days, you only have to look at some of the comments. |  | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:33 - Feb 22 with 570 views | MattinLondon |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:28 - Feb 22 by BloomBlue |
Its total entitlement when you hear comments like 'we've spent £150m we should be beating teams like Wrexham'
Football has never been about money, we wouldn't have Div1, FA Cup, UEFA Cup winners against our name if it was. There were many richer clubs in those competitions when we won them.
There are too many entitled fans these days, you only have to look at some of the comments. |
As a lot of the oldies mention often - football in the 70s and 80s was much more of a level playing field with most clubs not having mega rich benefactors or investors ploughing millions into it.
More money should equate better players and a much better final position than teams on much lower budgets. That’s not entitlement at all. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:39 - Feb 22 with 558 views | algy |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:28 - Feb 22 by BloomBlue |
Its total entitlement when you hear comments like 'we've spent £150m we should be beating teams like Wrexham'
Football has never been about money, we wouldn't have Div1, FA Cup, UEFA Cup winners against our name if it was. There were many richer clubs in those competitions when we won them.
There are too many entitled fans these days, you only have to look at some of the comments. |
We won all but one of those trophies over 40 years ago! We haven't won anything for a quarter of a century. Most people can see that due to money the Game has truly Changed since then. Fortunately in recent years we have become one of the "haves* and should be benefitting from that. We're no longer one of the "have nots" and expectations rightly change. [Post edited 22 Feb 12:04]
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:54 - Feb 22 with 528 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:26 - Feb 22 by MattinLondon |
Weak? You’ll need to show your workings out for that. |
workings below;
- we've not been able to come back and win from a losing position in something like 60 odd games.
- only yesterday we blew a winning position to lose the game in terrible fashion.
guessing that be enough, but its the couple of quick ones i have to hand | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:56 - Feb 22 with 527 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:22 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
Weak? This is just a convenience unproveable line for those of you who want to piss yourselves every time we lose.
Yesterday was crap defensively. Not arguing that it wasn't but ffs get a grip. |
get a grip on what? | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 12:46 - Feb 22 with 478 views | MattinLondon |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:54 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
workings below;
- we've not been able to come back and win from a losing position in something like 60 odd games.
- only yesterday we blew a winning position to lose the game in terrible fashion.
guessing that be enough, but its the couple of quick ones i have to hand |
38 of which were in the PL and which a fair chuck of that squad aren’t no longer here. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 13:45 - Feb 22 with 434 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 08:54 - Feb 22 by jasondozzell |
Yep. And it's horrible to witness.
It's really souring everything.
Let's face it. There's basically ten thousand people plus who turned up by after Game changer brought the money and success who weren't interested when times were tough.
I overheard several conversations yesterday on the train back where people were talking about it as if it was the worst away performance they'd ever seen and all their references were Gamechanger era ones.
We've become horribly entitled and it's pretty shocking that at the first point of a little bit of adversity in this era so many aren't interested in supporting the team.. |
I think your point about 10,000+ fans turning up who couldn't be bothered pre-Gamechanger is a bit simplistic.
Not everyone lives locally, so IMO it's fair enough that these supporters are only prepared to invest their time and money on the club when there's hope.
I wouldn't mind betting that many of our returning supporters don't live in East Anglia. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 13:50 - Feb 22 with 421 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 12:46 - Feb 22 by MattinLondon |
38 of which were in the PL and which a fair chuck of that squad aren’t no longer here. |
ok.. the PL ones are slightly difficult to add in, but not impossible that some could have been overcome, anyway..
lets purely focus on the 31 games of championship football with a very expensive side. what is the get out clause for those specific game? | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 13:51 - Feb 22 with 420 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Surely then your OP applies to the players who most certainly have much more of it than the fans trekking across the country. It doesn’t need to be manifested in abuse of course, but we have at least the 3rd most highly paid squad in the league, but they aren’t showing value for it. Perhaps you are suggesting the players are entitled ? | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 14:25 - Feb 22 with 376 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Have some of you lot considered a different sport?
The reality of our situation is we are basically receiving trampoline payments.
The numbers paint a stark picture, in terms of both revenue and spending power when comparing the 'haves' with the 'have nots'. Back in 2014-15, Championship clubs receiving parachute payments earned an average of £31.8 million in revenue - nearly double the £16.1 million brought in by their non-parachute counterparts.
Fast forward to 2023-24 and that gap has exploded. Parachute clubs averaged £62.9 million in revenue, while the others averaged just £26.7m. With greater revenue comes greater spending power. In 2014-15, the wage bill gap between parachute and non-parachute clubs stood at £10.4 million. By 2023-24, it had ballooned to £43.3 million. That disparity is reflected in squad investment, too, with parachute clubs fielding squads worth an average of £157 million last season, compared to just £19 million for the rest.
In each of last 5 Championship seasons 2 of the 3 promoted clubs are parachute teams. |  |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 14:34 - Feb 22 with 359 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:28 - Feb 22 by BloomBlue |
Its total entitlement when you hear comments like 'we've spent £150m we should be beating teams like Wrexham'
Football has never been about money, we wouldn't have Div1, FA Cup, UEFA Cup winners against our name if it was. There were many richer clubs in those competitions when we won them.
There are too many entitled fans these days, you only have to look at some of the comments. |
Very outdated take I’m afraid. | |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 14:36 - Feb 22 with 347 views | waveneyblue |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:09 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
thats true, hopefully he can give us an idea of the arsenal spurs result today too |
The dream tag team of Algy and Ashtonscoffee cup.
What a combination of minds.....
Tweedledum and tweedledummer |  | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 14:40 - Feb 22 with 331 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 11:11 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
It doesn't feel like it because of the doom and gloom.
I know some of you don't pay any attention to stats and would prefer to go with gut feelings but over the last 20 games we are still top of the form table.
So yes it is likely even if some people want to think we are having a massive crisis.
Do I think we will actually do it? Admittedly not as confident as a I was but yes, I think we will get over the line. It probably won't be pretty but we will just about get there IMO. |
Hang on. Some of you?
Ive made countless posts even in the last week about being top of form table since the window closed. 2nd xga. 2nd gs etc etc
I cant say likely to get promoted because we arent currently in the top two and we still have a lot ot catching up to do.
If course we are all hopeful however that we do. |  |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:23 - Feb 22 with 297 views | BlueOura |
It's called expectation, not entitlement. Expectations have risen based on the fact that we have been in the Premier league, have parachute payments and have invested a hell of a lot of money in both our Manager and the playing squad.
We are not the pre- gamechanger league one underacheivers any more, neither are we the plucky new boys, just promoed from league One. Certain sections of our fanbase seem to expect us all to be grateful for simply being a half decent side in the Chapionship. Yes we exceded expectations with the double promotion but it happened and it now puts us in a position where the expectation is that we should be in the top two, based on the relative weakness of the league.
We are currently falling well short of the standard required and look very likely to miss out on the top 2 in a season where the overall standard of the league is as low as it is ever going to be.
We have also seen our team getting out-battled on more than one ocassion by teams's who 'want it more', which is unacceptable. So all in all we are falling short of expectations and folk are rightly criticising this. |  | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:44 - Feb 22 with 269 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 08:55 - Feb 22 by ashtonscoffeecup |
i'm sorry but that is a pathetic take on how some people feel.
thousands of us have been here when we didnt have a pot to piss in, and thousands will be here after all this goes too.
but to be angry at losing in the manner we did, especially after a piss poor performance last friday at the same ground, isnt fcking entitlement.
im sure you'll be rewarded heavily with arrows up, and me probably down, but jesus christ - entitlement! |
The reaction by many absolutely is entitlement. People really don't understand the difference between entitlement and expectation. Check out what is written on entitlement (there is plenty of source material, since entitlement is becoming a major issue in many walks of life).
"The fundamental difference between expectation and entitlement lies in the belief of deservingness and the resulting emotional response when those desires are not met. While expectations are hopes or predictions about the future, entitlement is the rigid belief that one is owed specific treatment or outcomes, often leading to intense anger, resentment, and a feeling of injustice when reality does not align with that belief."
"Expectation (Healthy/Normal): When expectations are not met, the result is disappointment, sadness, or surprise.
Entitlement (Unhealthy/Anger-Driven): When entitlements are not met, it triggers intense anger, rage, or chronic resentment. The person feels they have been personally wronged, disrespected, or violated because their "right" was ignored.
I'm disappointed and frustrated with yesterday's result. This is a normal reaction. The rage and anger expressed by some is not a normal or healthy reaction. And therein lies the reason it is entitlement. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:48 - Feb 22 with 258 views | waveneyblue |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:44 - Feb 22 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The reaction by many absolutely is entitlement. People really don't understand the difference between entitlement and expectation. Check out what is written on entitlement (there is plenty of source material, since entitlement is becoming a major issue in many walks of life).
"The fundamental difference between expectation and entitlement lies in the belief of deservingness and the resulting emotional response when those desires are not met. While expectations are hopes or predictions about the future, entitlement is the rigid belief that one is owed specific treatment or outcomes, often leading to intense anger, resentment, and a feeling of injustice when reality does not align with that belief."
"Expectation (Healthy/Normal): When expectations are not met, the result is disappointment, sadness, or surprise.
Entitlement (Unhealthy/Anger-Driven): When entitlements are not met, it triggers intense anger, rage, or chronic resentment. The person feels they have been personally wronged, disrespected, or violated because their "right" was ignored.
I'm disappointed and frustrated with yesterday's result. This is a normal reaction. The rage and anger expressed by some is not a normal or healthy reaction. And therein lies the reason it is entitlement. |
Very well put 👏
But just dont expect certain posters to grasp the content. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:50 - Feb 22 with 252 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:44 - Feb 22 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The reaction by many absolutely is entitlement. People really don't understand the difference between entitlement and expectation. Check out what is written on entitlement (there is plenty of source material, since entitlement is becoming a major issue in many walks of life).
"The fundamental difference between expectation and entitlement lies in the belief of deservingness and the resulting emotional response when those desires are not met. While expectations are hopes or predictions about the future, entitlement is the rigid belief that one is owed specific treatment or outcomes, often leading to intense anger, resentment, and a feeling of injustice when reality does not align with that belief."
"Expectation (Healthy/Normal): When expectations are not met, the result is disappointment, sadness, or surprise.
Entitlement (Unhealthy/Anger-Driven): When entitlements are not met, it triggers intense anger, rage, or chronic resentment. The person feels they have been personally wronged, disrespected, or violated because their "right" was ignored.
I'm disappointed and frustrated with yesterday's result. This is a normal reaction. The rage and anger expressed by some is not a normal or healthy reaction. And therein lies the reason it is entitlement. |
Instead of coping dictionary definitions, maybe look at it in the context of football economics, our huge advantage this season and what stable parachute clubs have done in the last 5 years. | |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:55 - Feb 22 with 236 views | ITFCSG |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:23 - Feb 22 by BlueOura |
It's called expectation, not entitlement. Expectations have risen based on the fact that we have been in the Premier league, have parachute payments and have invested a hell of a lot of money in both our Manager and the playing squad.
We are not the pre- gamechanger league one underacheivers any more, neither are we the plucky new boys, just promoed from league One. Certain sections of our fanbase seem to expect us all to be grateful for simply being a half decent side in the Chapionship. Yes we exceded expectations with the double promotion but it happened and it now puts us in a position where the expectation is that we should be in the top two, based on the relative weakness of the league.
We are currently falling well short of the standard required and look very likely to miss out on the top 2 in a season where the overall standard of the league is as low as it is ever going to be.
We have also seen our team getting out-battled on more than one ocassion by teams's who 'want it more', which is unacceptable. So all in all we are falling short of expectations and folk are rightly criticising this. |
100%
Plus another oft-heard excuse is how shit the other parachute clubs Leicester and Southampton are. That is because of their wanton spending on overpriced players and wages (sounds familiar?) over the past few seasons which has led to a de facto transfer embargo, points deduction and for Southampton, a disjointed squad and manager
If Ashton continues buying the McAteers and Egelis there is a high chance something similar will happen to us. | | | |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:58 - Feb 22 with 225 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:44 - Feb 22 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The reaction by many absolutely is entitlement. People really don't understand the difference between entitlement and expectation. Check out what is written on entitlement (there is plenty of source material, since entitlement is becoming a major issue in many walks of life).
"The fundamental difference between expectation and entitlement lies in the belief of deservingness and the resulting emotional response when those desires are not met. While expectations are hopes or predictions about the future, entitlement is the rigid belief that one is owed specific treatment or outcomes, often leading to intense anger, resentment, and a feeling of injustice when reality does not align with that belief."
"Expectation (Healthy/Normal): When expectations are not met, the result is disappointment, sadness, or surprise.
Entitlement (Unhealthy/Anger-Driven): When entitlements are not met, it triggers intense anger, rage, or chronic resentment. The person feels they have been personally wronged, disrespected, or violated because their "right" was ignored.
I'm disappointed and frustrated with yesterday's result. This is a normal reaction. The rage and anger expressed by some is not a normal or healthy reaction. And therein lies the reason it is entitlement. |
You've basically described why its all expectation not entitlement.
Fans dont own ltfc. Therefore they dont a right to anything. Therefore that passion that anger is one of expectation and disappointed not resentment as fans have no claim over the club as they dont own the club. The owners however could feel entitled based on their input. The fans cant be owed anything... so they can not feel any entitlement at all when it comes to football.
Town fans purchasing tickets. Their right is to see a game of football as long as they see that then thats their right and they are entitled to that. If the game doesnt go how they want it to its failed to meet their expectations. They are not entitled to any result. They can voice anger at their expectations not being met however. | |
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| Money = Entitlement in all walks of life. (n/t) on 15:59 - Feb 22 with 227 views | OldFart71 |
What must not happen though is allowing jealousy and an attitude where people who have money are seen as pyriahs and people not wanted in our society.
Whether born into wealth or having worked their way up the ladder as long as they don't look down their noses at the masses such as the likes of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
I think we would all agree that if town get promoted then it is deserved, but that there is because of our wealth an entitlement to be there,
It has been expressed that our problem in relation to the double promotion side is that whereas they were a team, gradually added to and built up an understanding with each other and although players like Freddie were never going to be of much use in the Championship or the Premier league they did nonetheless serve a purpose and did their bit towards our promotion to the Championship. But now we have several players who we brought in that haven't for one reason or another blended in. Built up relationships with other players and of late a couple of injuries that have denied us Nunez and Philogene. | | | |
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