| Ta ra Kier 06:37 - Feb 27 with 4458 views | thebooks |
And good riddance.
Nice of Labour to split the far-right vote and let the Greens in.
If you want Reform out, vote Green. |  | | |  |
| Ta ra Kier on 06:39 - Feb 27 with 2255 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm delighted the Greens won but you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think this gets rid of Starmer. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 06:41 - Feb 27 with 2242 views | thebooks |
| Ta ra Kier on 06:39 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm delighted the Greens won but you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think this gets rid of Starmer. |
I dunno, coming third in a Manchester seat strikes me as the very definition of disaster for the Labour Party, but perhaps there are new depths to plumb.
Still, if they do decide to keep Starmer the one plus is that they’ll continue to lose elections to the Greens. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 06:44 - Feb 27 with 2211 views | Dubtractor |
Starmer has choice.
Either tack back towards the left and reclaim some of their core vote, or face obliteration. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 07:05 - Feb 27 with 2107 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ta ra Kier on 06:41 - Feb 27 by thebooks |
I dunno, coming third in a Manchester seat strikes me as the very definition of disaster for the Labour Party, but perhaps there are new depths to plumb.
Still, if they do decide to keep Starmer the one plus is that they’ll continue to lose elections to the Greens. |
Labour were always going to lose this. The real story here is the Greens winning ahead of Reform, which is excellent news and a relief to know that there is still some sanity in this country. | |
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| Ta ra Kier on 07:10 - Feb 27 with 2091 views | vapour_trail |
Nobody seems interested that the tories got less than two per cent of the vote.
That’s not great. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 07:16 - Feb 27 with 2048 views | Dubtractor |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:05 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Labour were always going to lose this. The real story here is the Greens winning ahead of Reform, which is excellent news and a relief to know that there is still some sanity in this country. |
"Labour were always going to lose this."
Thats sort of the point though. This was something like their 4th safest seat, to lose it as badly as they have is more than just a by election protest vote, it reinforces tge point that they have got their approach horribly wrong.
Agree with the rest of your comment though. | |
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| Ta ra Kier on 07:58 - Feb 27 with 1951 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:16 - Feb 27 by Dubtractor |
"Labour were always going to lose this."
Thats sort of the point though. This was something like their 4th safest seat, to lose it as badly as they have is more than just a by election protest vote, it reinforces tge point that they have got their approach horribly wrong.
Agree with the rest of your comment though. |
I think it was about their 40th safest seat but that doesn't undermine what you say.
And to reiterate the point you make, it just goes to prove (as I have long thought) that the Labour Together/Morgan McSweeney strategy was misconceived from the start. Indeed, what party sets out to alienate people who would normally vote for it?
But they are in a bind because there is no obvious replacement to Starmer. [Post edited 27 Feb 7:59]
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| Ta ra Kier on 08:07 - Feb 27 with 1904 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:58 - Feb 27 by DJR |
I think it was about their 40th safest seat but that doesn't undermine what you say.
And to reiterate the point you make, it just goes to prove (as I have long thought) that the Labour Together/Morgan McSweeney strategy was misconceived from the start. Indeed, what party sets out to alienate people who would normally vote for it?
But they are in a bind because there is no obvious replacement to Starmer. [Post edited 27 Feb 7:59]
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There is, but they refused to let him stand yesterday. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 08:14 - Feb 27 with 1860 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:07 - Feb 27 by ITFC_Forever |
There is, but they refused to let him stand yesterday. |
I meant within the Parliamentary party.
And the danger is that the longer Burnham is denied a place, the less likely he will be able to turn things round. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:22 - Feb 27 with 1826 views | thebooks |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:14 - Feb 27 by DJR |
I meant within the Parliamentary party.
And the danger is that the longer Burnham is denied a place, the less likely he will be able to turn things round. |
There's some irony in Starmer purging the party to the extent that it's unable to change course.
I'm not sure even Burnham is the answer. I haven't heard too much from him that suggests he's not essentially cut from the same managerialist cloth as Starmer. I might be wrong of course.
But like you say, Lab needs to do something soon. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:26 - Feb 27 with 1797 views | BloomBlue |
Reminds me of the Lib Dems and how they've won a few by-elections and then get excited about winning the next General Election, but when the GE arrives, they fail. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:33 - Feb 27 with 1745 views | GlasgowBlue |
It’s a mid term by election . Not the first time a spitting government will lose a safe seat in such circumstances and it won’t be the last.
Labour will be looking to win the seat back at the next election. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 08:41 - Feb 27 with 1696 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:10 - Feb 27 by vapour_trail |
Nobody seems interested that the tories got less than two per cent of the vote.
That’s not great. |
To quote St Andrews*, "WHO!?"
* sorry, and have I got the right club? |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 08:51 - Feb 27 with 1651 views | Herbivore |
Although Labour have clearly drifted to the right, those voting for them haven't necessarily followed that same course. It seems that right leaning voters are increasingly coalescing around Reform while the centre and left vote is split between Labour, Green, and Lib Dem. That could be a very worrying trend come the next GE if it continues. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 09:00 - Feb 27 with 1598 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:26 - Feb 27 by BloomBlue |
Reminds me of the Lib Dems and how they've won a few by-elections and then get excited about winning the next General Election, but when the GE arrives, they fail. |
We're in a different political universe now. The laws of physics have changed. The old laws of physics - which had been more or less stable for a very long time - are rapidly breaking down because we haven't faced up to the very obvious evidence that our economic, social and environmental policies are failing so badly.
Brave new universe, but could go either way.
John Curtice right now on BBC saying look at Scotland, France, Germany etc - our established system, dominated traditionally by two parties doesn't have any fundamental stability.
In political or economic terms you often hear old, invested, stuck-in-the-mud fuddy-duddies say "Oh, don't be so silly, that's now how things are done here, nothing will change." - wrong. [Post edited 27 Feb 9:23]
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| Ta ra Kier on 09:20 - Feb 27 with 1534 views | RadioOrwell |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:33 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s a mid term by election . Not the first time a spitting government will lose a safe seat in such circumstances and it won’t be the last.
Labour will be looking to win the seat back at the next election. |
Of course they'll be "looking to win the seat back".
I'll be looking to win the lottery.
Something seismic might happen within the party, the country, in the economy but I'm not holding my breath. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:26 - Feb 27 with 1481 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:22 - Feb 27 by thebooks |
There's some irony in Starmer purging the party to the extent that it's unable to change course.
I'm not sure even Burnham is the answer. I haven't heard too much from him that suggests he's not essentially cut from the same managerialist cloth as Starmer. I might be wrong of course.
But like you say, Lab needs to do something soon. |
He's not particularly left wing, but in recent years I've heard him advocate some relatively radical and interesting policies.
The thing though is that the Labour Together lot currently in charge despise him and regard him as a raving left, just as they did with people like Brown and Ed Miliband. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:27 - Feb 27 with 1477 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:33 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s a mid term by election . Not the first time a spitting government will lose a safe seat in such circumstances and it won’t be the last.
Labour will be looking to win the seat back at the next election. |
Not a normal mid-term by election is as much as the turnout wasn’t much lower than at General Election. Suggests people who voted for a Starmer lead government, at the general election, voted against it yesterday, |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 09:28 - Feb 27 with 1469 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 08:51 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
Although Labour have clearly drifted to the right, those voting for them haven't necessarily followed that same course. It seems that right leaning voters are increasingly coalescing around Reform while the centre and left vote is split between Labour, Green, and Lib Dem. That could be a very worrying trend come the next GE if it continues. |
And it goes to prove that the McSweeney/Streeting/Mahmood/Labour Together project was flawed from the start. [Post edited 27 Feb 9:30]
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| Ta ra Kier on 09:29 - Feb 27 with 1460 views | BornDeleuze |
This result won’t be replicated across the country. The Greens knew what they were doing playing the anti-Israel card in this ward.
I do think you should be careful what you wish for. The Greens would significantly weaken the country given the state of Russia and Europe ATM. Also, like Reform, they’re economically illiterate. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:51 - Feb 27 with 1371 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:20 - Feb 27 by RadioOrwell |
Of course they'll be "looking to win the seat back".
I'll be looking to win the lottery.
Something seismic might happen within the party, the country, in the economy but I'm not holding my breath. |
Think you may have underestimated Labour. They already have their next election plan in place. Again there not planning to put forward any policies that appeal to the working class but they have a great new slogan
Vote Labour to keep out the Greens
What could possibly go wrong..  |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:59 - Feb 27 with 1306 views | thebooks |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:29 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
This result won’t be replicated across the country. The Greens knew what they were doing playing the anti-Israel card in this ward.
I do think you should be careful what you wish for. The Greens would significantly weaken the country given the state of Russia and Europe ATM. Also, like Reform, they’re economically illiterate. |
State of this: "playing the anti-Israel card". Is that like "playing the race card"? | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 10:02 - Feb 27 with 1266 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Ta ra Kier on 06:44 - Feb 27 by Dubtractor |
Starmer has choice.
Either tack back towards the left and reclaim some of their core vote, or face obliteration. |
Too late for that, people will rightly say that he believes in nothing but the markets just like all the others. These are the same markets that are fleecing us all. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 10:05 - Feb 27 with 1248 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:10 - Feb 27 by vapour_trail |
Nobody seems interested that the tories got less than two per cent of the vote.
That’s not great. |
I’d have thought the Tories and Lib Dems would at least be worth a mention. Obviously Labour losing a big majority is an understatement story, but the Tories and Lib Dem’s both collapsed in their relatively small share.
The Lib Dems are in a funny place. It’s clear tribalism is pushing voters further out from the centre. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 10:11 - Feb 27 with 1223 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 09:59 - Feb 27 by thebooks |
State of this: "playing the anti-Israel card". Is that like "playing the race card"? |
They stood on an anti-Zionist platform in a ward that is 33% Muslim. They used Gaza as a focus in most of their literature, esepcially the stuff produced only in Urdu.
I know the far left don’t like to be accused of bias, but it’s pretty clear what went on here. | | | |
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