| This is grim 20:21 - Mar 7 with 2806 views | gtsb1966 |
and needs to be stopped. It won't make much difference but we MUST stop arming Israel now. There's defending your country and there is this.
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| This is grim on 20:25 - Mar 7 with 2713 views | WickhamsLeftBoot |
The IDF is a killing machine with an obsession for blood. |  | | |
| This is grim on 20:38 - Mar 7 with 2582 views | Bent_double |
| This is grim on 20:25 - Mar 7 by WickhamsLeftBoot |
The IDF is a killing machine with an obsession for blood. |
I honestly don't think they're human anymore. |  |
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| This is grim on 21:36 - Mar 7 with 2311 views | noggin |
Who can stop them? They pretty much have free reign to do as they please. Women, children, paramedics, they're all just cannon fodder. |  |
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| This is grim on 21:28 - Mar 8 with 1868 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
More Israeli c#ntishness...
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
The most recent killings came on Saturday night after Palestinians from Abu Falah tried to stop a group of masked Israelis vandalising olive trees outside the town. Dozens of armed settlers later descended on the town, relatives and neighbours of the dead told the Guardian, and killed Thaer Faruq Hamayel, 30, and Fara Jawdat Hamayel, 57. Both men had been shot in the head.
Israeli security forces who arrived later to the confrontation fired military-grade tear gas into the narrow streets of Abu Falah. Muhammad Hassan, a 54-year-old father of four, died after inhaling it.
On Monday two brothers were killed when they tried to prevent settlers damaging olive trees in Qaryut, a small Palestinian village in the northern West Bank. Muhammad Taha Muammar, 52, was shot in the head, and Fahim Taha Muammar, 48, was shot in his lower body. When the Israeli military arrived they arrested more than 20 Palestinians from the village and road closures prevented ambulances from reaching the wounded for more than an hour, B’tselem said. |  |
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| This is grim on 21:32 - Mar 8 with 1847 views | Zx1988 |
| This is grim on 21:28 - Mar 8 by BanksterDebtSlave |
More Israeli c#ntishness...
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
The most recent killings came on Saturday night after Palestinians from Abu Falah tried to stop a group of masked Israelis vandalising olive trees outside the town. Dozens of armed settlers later descended on the town, relatives and neighbours of the dead told the Guardian, and killed Thaer Faruq Hamayel, 30, and Fara Jawdat Hamayel, 57. Both men had been shot in the head.
Israeli security forces who arrived later to the confrontation fired military-grade tear gas into the narrow streets of Abu Falah. Muhammad Hassan, a 54-year-old father of four, died after inhaling it.
On Monday two brothers were killed when they tried to prevent settlers damaging olive trees in Qaryut, a small Palestinian village in the northern West Bank. Muhammad Taha Muammar, 52, was shot in the head, and Fahim Taha Muammar, 48, was shot in his lower body. When the Israeli military arrived they arrested more than 20 Palestinians from the village and road closures prevented ambulances from reaching the wounded for more than an hour, B’tselem said. |
But terrorists were hiding beneath the olive trees, or something like that. |  |
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| This is grim on 21:42 - Mar 8 with 1805 views | ElderGrizzly |
This is also grim.
Says a lot about why America is such a horrific mess |  | | |
| This is grim on 00:14 - Mar 9 with 1579 views | J2BLUE |
| This is grim on 21:42 - Mar 8 by ElderGrizzly |
This is also grim.
Says a lot about why America is such a horrific mess |
Utterly bizarre. So many comments supporting them as well. |  |
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| This is grim on 08:41 - Mar 9 with 1296 views | ElderGrizzly |
| This is grim on 00:14 - Mar 9 by J2BLUE |
Utterly bizarre. So many comments supporting them as well. |
Politicians like Trump and Farage have made them fair game in the eyes of way too many people | | | |
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| This is grim on 15:09 - Mar 9 with 1119 views | Libero |
Anyone still standing with Israel is a disgrace to humanity. |  | | |
| This is grim on 15:29 - Mar 9 with 1060 views | giant_stow |
I agree wholeheartedly, but some of the language so far in this thread oversteps the line from righteous anger (even hate) into dehumanisation (and we all know where that leads). |  |
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| This is grim on 18:23 - Mar 9 with 919 views | blueoutlook |
| This is grim on 21:36 - Mar 7 by noggin |
Who can stop them? They pretty much have free reign to do as they please. Women, children, paramedics, they're all just cannon fodder. |
They aren’t doing any worse than Iran were doing to their own people a few weeks ago. Those clerics need to be stopped. |  | | |
| This is grim on 19:21 - Mar 9 with 831 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This is grim on 18:23 - Mar 9 by blueoutlook |
They aren’t doing any worse than Iran were doing to their own people a few weeks ago. Those clerics need to be stopped. |
Israel are about twice as worse over the last couple of years if you’re counting bodies, but it’s not a competition FFS. There’s no justification for either of these brutal murderous regimes. Both need to be stopped. In theory, as they’re an ally, we can at least try to convince Israel to stop trying to bomb the whole of the Middle East. Iran will be harder, but dropping bombs on their heads won’t make it any easier. |  |
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| This is grim on 19:31 - Mar 9 with 787 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| This is grim on 15:29 - Mar 9 by giant_stow |
I agree wholeheartedly, but some of the language so far in this thread oversteps the line from righteous anger (even hate) into dehumanisation (and we all know where that leads). |
I had a look back. The only thing that would fit into this is that the IDF don't seem human any more. I personally don't have a problem with that at all, and I'm very supportive of anyone conscripted who refuses to serve (US too, especially now they are talking about a draft). The institution (the IDF) is undoubtedly dehumanising - look at some of the social media from Gaza! I don't think there's any doubt now that Israel and the United States are far greater threats to peace than Iran. That is not to say anything about Iran and its domestic policy. But who has launched all the attacks on other countries lately? These are rogue states, and we are supposed to treat them as paragons of democratic virtue. |  | | |
| This is grim on 19:50 - Mar 9 with 731 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This is grim on 19:31 - Mar 9 by ZapatasMoustache |
I had a look back. The only thing that would fit into this is that the IDF don't seem human any more. I personally don't have a problem with that at all, and I'm very supportive of anyone conscripted who refuses to serve (US too, especially now they are talking about a draft). The institution (the IDF) is undoubtedly dehumanising - look at some of the social media from Gaza! I don't think there's any doubt now that Israel and the United States are far greater threats to peace than Iran. That is not to say anything about Iran and its domestic policy. But who has launched all the attacks on other countries lately? These are rogue states, and we are supposed to treat them as paragons of democratic virtue. |
Agreed. Iran have had a horrendous regime too (truly awful), but as you demonstrate eloquently we can still judge USA/Israel on their actions without having to qualify their aggression by reference to Iran’s faults.
Maybe I view it too simplistically. For me, bombing anyone and let alone schools, hospitals and innocent members of the public is bad even if the government of those targets is also bad. This is why we need to fight for international law, even if the likes of the Trump regime, Russia, Farage, and countless other despots, disregard it. People need a rules-based order. | |
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| This is grim on 19:56 - Mar 9 with 716 views | Whos_blue |
| This is grim on 18:23 - Mar 9 by blueoutlook |
They aren’t doing any worse than Iran were doing to their own people a few weeks ago. Those clerics need to be stopped. |
But the OP isn't about Iran. It's a piece about the IDF bombing of Lebanon and the innocent lives that are being lost at the hands of the out of control IDF.
It's seems as if there is somehow a justification for the killing?
I can't agree with that. |  |
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| This is grim on 10:12 - Mar 10 with 411 views | blueoutlook |
| This is grim on 19:56 - Mar 9 by Whos_blue |
But the OP isn't about Iran. It's a piece about the IDF bombing of Lebanon and the innocent lives that are being lost at the hands of the out of control IDF.
It's seems as if there is somehow a justification for the killing?
I can't agree with that. |
Well, I was putting it into context. Iran are an awful regime. They care not about their people and the IDF are bombing Lebanon because their terrorists are chucking bombs over at Israel or hadn’t you noticed that part ? | | | |
| This is grim on 10:22 - Mar 10 with 388 views | Whos_blue |
| This is grim on 10:12 - Mar 10 by blueoutlook |
Well, I was putting it into context. Iran are an awful regime. They care not about their people and the IDF are bombing Lebanon because their terrorists are chucking bombs over at Israel or hadn’t you noticed that part ? |
Hadn't you noticed the OP was about the IDF bombing Lebanon?
I simply asked the question where your Iran comment fitted in with the OP.
No one has suggested the Iranian regime isn't awful. | |
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| This is grim on 10:24 - Mar 10 with 376 views | Churchman |
I’m not sure that supplying a few measly components for F35s, that I suspect we are contractually obligated to do as part of a global supply chain, constitutes ‘arming Israel’. Beyond a rusty tub with a fading badge at Portsmouth and the Battle of Britain Flight (the Lancaster is out of action this year so forget that) we can’t and don’t want to arm ourselves, let alone others.
The consequences of an action like that would be far more damaging to the U.K. than it would to Israel, in my opinion. |  | | |
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