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Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:45 - Mar 24 with 2480 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
Frothing at the mouth righties would go nuts if Starmer or Polanski did similar
You'd soon have a social media swarm of right wing trolls, all over the feeds
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
It depends on what the reaction is after this. As much as I hate it, I'm not sure there is loads that could have been done to stop the original booking.
However, the club has to come out strongly against Farage using images from the tour for official political purposes. I'm not on X but someone else has shared a screenshot showing one of the pictures from the tour is being used as the profile picture for the official reform account
The club has to come out today with a statement which, at a minimum: 1) confirming that this was a standard private tour and the club did not invite Reform to tour 2) denouncing the use of pictures from the tour for political purposes, demanding that they are immediately taken down from twitter and an apology from reform, and threatening legal action if that doesn't happen 3) some sort of statement reiterating that the club is welcoming to all.
If this doesn't happen, I'm in the "sack him" camp.
edit - typos etc.
[Post edited 24 Mar 11:23]
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:46 - Mar 24 with 2463 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
Why are there no grounds to refuse entry? Political views or affiliation are not protected characteristics under the Equality Act, the club could legally refuse entry at their discretion in the spirit of protecting brand neutrality. This rock & hard place narrative is bobbins.
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:48 - Mar 24 with 2416 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:47 - Mar 24 by _CliveBaker_
Why are there no grounds to refuse entry? Political views or affiliation are not protected characteristics under the Equality Act, the club could legally refuse entry at their discretion in the spirit of protecting brand neutrality. This rock & hard place narrative is bobbins.
You would expect them to do the same for the Greens or Lib Dems?
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:50 - Mar 24 with 2398 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:46 - Mar 24 by surreyblue
It depends on what the reaction is after this. As much as I hate it, I'm not sure there is loads that could have been done to stop the original booking.
However, the club has to come out strongly against Farage using images from the tour for official political purposes. I'm not on X but someone else has shared a screenshot showing one of the pictures from the tour is being used as the profile picture for the official reform account
The club has to come out today with a statement which, at a minimum: 1) confirming that this was a standard private tour and the club did not invite Reform to tour 2) denouncing the use of pictures from the tour for political purposes, demanding that they are immediately taken down from twitter and an apology from reform, and threatening legal action if that doesn't happen 3) some sort of statement reiterating that the club is welcoming to all.
If this doesn't happen, I'm in the "sack him" camp.
edit - typos etc.
[Post edited 24 Mar 11:23]
Agreed.
There are simple steps they can take, which whilst not repairing the damage, would mitigate it.
If they dont, one has to assume they are indeed endorsing Reform.
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
There is no good solution, agreed. Farage is a cancer who infects everything he gets near and would have whined like a baby had we denied them.
I still think we’ve taken the worst option. We’ll have got loads of negative publicity from this either way, so we may as well go down sticking to our supposed principles.
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
On the grounds that:-
1. What Reform/Farage say, print, broadcast and publicly rabble-rouse is racist, xenophobic, hate-filled and inflammatory - the very opposite of what this Club is quite rightly constantly trying to promote, ie diversity, inclusion, tolerance and community harmony.
2. All other football clubs (according to a post on here this morning) have a bar on hosting any and all political parties, so why don’t we? Ashton is both CEO and chairman, so should be majorly influential in this.
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:55 - Mar 24 by Ryorry
On the grounds that:-
1. What Reform/Farage say, print, broadcast and publicly rabble-rouse is racist, xenophobic, hate-filled and inflammatory - the very opposite of what this Club is quite rightly constantly trying to promote, ie diversity, inclusion, tolerance and community harmony.
2. All other football clubs (according to a post on here this morning) have a bar on hosting any and all political parties, so why don’t we? Ashton is both CEO and chairman, so should be majorly influential in this.
1. That is currently leading in the polls. Statistically thousands of fans at any Town game are Reform supporters. However unpalatable that is.
2. Going to need some proof of that. IF that is true then it does change the picture.
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:05 - Mar 24 with 2231 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
This is where I’m at as well.
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:13 - Mar 24 with 2136 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:46 - Mar 24 by surreyblue
It depends on what the reaction is after this. As much as I hate it, I'm not sure there is loads that could have been done to stop the original booking.
However, the club has to come out strongly against Farage using images from the tour for official political purposes. I'm not on X but someone else has shared a screenshot showing one of the pictures from the tour is being used as the profile picture for the official reform account
The club has to come out today with a statement which, at a minimum: 1) confirming that this was a standard private tour and the club did not invite Reform to tour 2) denouncing the use of pictures from the tour for political purposes, demanding that they are immediately taken down from twitter and an apology from reform, and threatening legal action if that doesn't happen 3) some sort of statement reiterating that the club is welcoming to all.
If this doesn't happen, I'm in the "sack him" camp.
edit - typos etc.
[Post edited 24 Mar 11:23]
This.
Ashton either has to own this and make amends, or lose his job.
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:05 - Mar 24 by Ryorry
Whether it’s ‘leading in the polls” is irrelevant. Or do you think political populism should dictate ITFC policy?
Where did I say that?
I just meant that if this was 20 years ago and it was Nick Griffin then I would completely agree.
Reform have significant report including most likely from thousands of Town fans which meant the club would get stick either way. Reform would be terrible if they got in power but they are a mainstream party.
As I have already said, I don't think they had much choice. Many others disagree which is fair enough.
I have work to do so won't keep going around in circles.
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:17 - Mar 24 with 2076 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 10:41 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE
Shouldn't even be a question.
Farage has the same right anyone else does to book a tour. On what grounds can the club say no? If we look at the polls then statistically there must be thousands of Reform supporters in the stands every home game.
This was a no win situation. No one wants Farage using the club for propaganda but all these posters saying the club should not allow any political party in wouldn't be at all bothered if it has been Polanski.
As of yesterday Farage is the leader of a major UK party which is leading polls. There are no grounds to refuse him entry. The club had no real choice.
Hopefully Farage will be soundly be defeated at the general election and finally sod off to America to join the grifters tour but for now I really don't see what the club could do. They are probably getting hundreds of complaints, just as they would have done if they had denied them entry.
Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did. There was no good solution to this.
[Post edited 24 Mar 10:44]
"Imagine Town said no and then Farage stands in our town saying look what your club did."
Then I'd be really proud of the club for standing up for its values.
Unfortunately it didn't.
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:18 - Mar 24 with 2073 views
Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:13 - Mar 24 by giant_stow
I;d missed all this - are you lot the official club of Reform ltd now?
definitely looks like it. either that or the odious toad just booked a stadium tour. hard to tell.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Faragegate - if his decision, should Ashton resign, be sacked or stay? on 11:20 - Mar 24 with 2036 views
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