| In defence of Ashton 14:49 - Mar 27 with 3294 views | Westcountryblue |
Amazed reading that fans would be happy to see Ashton resign.
I don't think it can be disputed that inviting Nigel Farage into the club was a naive and pretty poor decision. However, i think Ashton has a fairly good amount of credit in the bank.
When we arrived we were in a total mess. Decrepit stadium, thrusting 17 year olds out on to the pitch only for them to get seriously injured- and in some cases having to partially fund their own ops, players preferring to train and do their rehab in the David Lloyd, woefully inexperienced and understaffed departments, a totally dischenchanted fan base that had been force fed the 'little old Ipswich' mantra as we eagerly awaited our 3 bosman signings of the season, 20 years of absolute nothingness, countless mangerial failures, having our pants consistently pulled down by greaseball agents and the likes of Barry Fry, CEO's and MD's with no footballing experience, bending over backwards at the first sniff of money when bids came in for our top players like Adam Webster...The club was a total shambles and a mess. Fast forward 2026, two promotion later and we a fully refurbished ground, new training facilities coming this summer, 28-29k most weeks in the Championship and a club to be genuinly proud of. Ashton took a massive risk on appointing someone like McKenna and i think if anybody deserves forgiveness, it's him.
The witch hunt, media coverage and indignation of fans that has ensued is quite frankly embarassing. We're overlooking 4-5 years of incredible progress vs 2-3 hours of poor decision making.
I'll get absolutely anhilated on here for this, but we've been lucky to have someone like MA in our corner over the past few years and he's been a greater fighter and ambassador for our club. Downvote all you want, but i for one am pretty grateful for his efforts and haven't forgot those emotional scenes when we were promoted against all odds. [Post edited 27 Mar 14:53]
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:29 - Mar 27 with 461 views | Westcountryblue |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:24 - Mar 27 by ReusersTown |
The absolute irony of you. How much is he actually paying you? Or are you just genuinely a desperate reformer? |
Well, if you must know, fairly apolitical.
With 8 games to go, 4-5 years of incredible sucess, can you see no logic in just letting this thing pass, moving on and concentrating on supporting the club for the final 8 games of the season? Ripping apart our leadership structure would be absolute madness and incredibly shortsighted. | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:30 - Mar 27 with 453 views | Ryorry |
| In defence of Ashton on 14:58 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
I think its far less serious than the likes of David Sheepshanks recklessly spending and in doing so screwing over numerous local creditors who didn't get paid.
Or, the death by a thousand cuts that we had to endure with Marcus Evans, who for many years, refused to even be publicly pictured or acknolwedge the fans. [Post edited 27 Mar 14:59]
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Sheepy made errors yes, but at least he did so because he thought he was furthering the interests **of ITFC** in doing so - he was a genuine fan - (& btw our going into administration was at least as much due to the withdrawal of TV funding as to the cash spent on new stands etc).
*Not* like MA, whose self-inflicted Faragegate & cover-up were down entirely to his own self-promotion and ego, at the expense of the Club, players, fans & staff. |  |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:31 - Mar 27 with 450 views | TheMoralMajority |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:29 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Well, if you must know, fairly apolitical.
With 8 games to go, 4-5 years of incredible sucess, can you see no logic in just letting this thing pass, moving on and concentrating on supporting the club for the final 8 games of the season? Ripping apart our leadership structure would be absolute madness and incredibly shortsighted. |
No one asked him to put on a polarising political stunt at the most crucial time of the season.
The problem isn't the fans. The problem is the leadership. Only 1 person blew this up, and it is not the fans.
Like I said... NO ONE wants this. But it is where we are. |  |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 with 427 views | hunty21 |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:31 - Mar 27 by TheMoralMajority |
No one asked him to put on a polarising political stunt at the most crucial time of the season.
The problem isn't the fans. The problem is the leadership. Only 1 person blew this up, and it is not the fans.
Like I said... NO ONE wants this. But it is where we are. |
So all the staff should leave then, its not just him thst has ballsed up | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 with 428 views | jayessess |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:29 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Well, if you must know, fairly apolitical.
With 8 games to go, 4-5 years of incredible sucess, can you see no logic in just letting this thing pass, moving on and concentrating on supporting the club for the final 8 games of the season? Ripping apart our leadership structure would be absolute madness and incredibly shortsighted. |
Wow, 8 games to go, is it? Sounds like a really bad time for a senior club official to do something incredibly divisive. |  |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 with 426 views | andyblue231 |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:29 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Well, if you must know, fairly apolitical.
With 8 games to go, 4-5 years of incredible sucess, can you see no logic in just letting this thing pass, moving on and concentrating on supporting the club for the final 8 games of the season? Ripping apart our leadership structure would be absolute madness and incredibly shortsighted. |
Given that the NYT article indicated mass anger amongst staff, senior leadership, players, fans and sponsors, do you concede it might actually be more divisive for him to stay?
And that him going may actually prove a galvanising moment? [Post edited 27 Mar 15:37]
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:37 - Mar 27 with 420 views | TheMoralMajority |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 by hunty21 |
So all the staff should leave then, its not just him thst has ballsed up |
Yes, because there are only extremes in this world, no nuance. | |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:39 - Mar 27 with 388 views | Ryorry |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:29 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Well, if you must know, fairly apolitical.
With 8 games to go, 4-5 years of incredible sucess, can you see no logic in just letting this thing pass, moving on and concentrating on supporting the club for the final 8 games of the season? Ripping apart our leadership structure would be absolute madness and incredibly shortsighted. |
What's incredibly shortsighted is you thinking that ITFC having now been officially associated with a racist, xenophobic bigot given to inflammatory hate-speech, in direct opposition to our previously good name for diversity, inclusion & being welcome to all, is going to just be forgotten about.
It won't be, unless decisive measures are taken to cut out the gangrene, with removal of the infected part & cleansing of the wound with a good measure of saline & healing ointment. | |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:41 - Mar 27 with 383 views | Westcountryblue |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 by jayessess |
Wow, 8 games to go, is it? Sounds like a really bad time for a senior club official to do something incredibly divisive. |
Shortsighted and poorly advised, yes. Intentionally divisive, no.
For the countless good decisions the club has made over the past 4-5 years, it seems a little destructive to zero in on one mistake.
Before MA was CEO, members of the local press were banned from the club. | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:44 - Mar 27 with 371 views | NthQldITFC |
Accountability. |  |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:46 - Mar 27 with 359 views | urbanpenguin |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:28 - Mar 27 by hunty21 |
Completely agree its cos there's no ipswich game so love to chat crap until then , blown out of proportion its like hes bet all the clubs money on the lottery and bankrupt us, nope its that his PR team and ballsed up the statement and not outlined the true facts , most of these people sre keyboard warriors and lole to be negative and be squeaky clean or harp on about Robson Mills Cobnolds wouldnt of done this etc |
Again, I ask, why is there a correlation between bad takes and people who put spaces before commas. It's nearly a perfect correlation. |  | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:46 - Mar 27 with 353 views | Herbivore |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:41 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Shortsighted and poorly advised, yes. Intentionally divisive, no.
For the countless good decisions the club has made over the past 4-5 years, it seems a little destructive to zero in on one mistake.
Before MA was CEO, members of the local press were banned from the club. |
It's not one mistake. The day itself involved a series of damaging mistakes that compounded the original huge error of judgement in welcoming a racist grifter into our club. As if that wasn't bad enough, the club then lied about it. And now they've gone radio silence mode rather than fronting up and trying to make amends. This week raises fundamental questions about Ashton's judgement and his integrity. I don't think he's fit to run an inclusive community club like ITFC. |  |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:46 - Mar 27 with 349 views | jayessess |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:41 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Shortsighted and poorly advised, yes. Intentionally divisive, no.
For the countless good decisions the club has made over the past 4-5 years, it seems a little destructive to zero in on one mistake.
Before MA was CEO, members of the local press were banned from the club. |
Unintentional? Did he trip and accidentally push Nigel Farage into his office? | |
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| In defence of Ashton on 15:47 - Mar 27 with 339 views | thebooks |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:08 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Shouting, supposedly swearing isn't a great look or way to engage with local stakeholders, but you can see why the club might be defensive about digs at pricing structures, third kits etc when they have to keep up with FFP rules. It could be be seen as divisive and not really in the club's interest. |
“local stakeholders”
You are Mark Ashton and I claim my £1. |  | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:48 - Mar 27 with 325 views | ReusersTown |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:39 - Mar 27 by Ryorry |
What's incredibly shortsighted is you thinking that ITFC having now been officially associated with a racist, xenophobic bigot given to inflammatory hate-speech, in direct opposition to our previously good name for diversity, inclusion & being welcome to all, is going to just be forgotten about.
It won't be, unless decisive measures are taken to cut out the gangrene, with removal of the infected part & cleansing of the wound with a good measure of saline & healing ointment. |
THIS, He must be on some kind of gaslighting windup. I did note his use of apolitical. | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:52 - Mar 27 with 307 views | Westcountryblue |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:46 - Mar 27 by urbanpenguin |
Again, I ask, why is there a correlation between bad takes and people who put spaces before commas. It's nearly a perfect correlation. |
Challenge the ideas, not the writing. People have different strengths and challenges, and focusing on writing ability rather than the argument itself comes across as unnecessarily mean-spirited. | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:54 - Mar 27 with 298 views | urbanpenguin |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:52 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Challenge the ideas, not the writing. People have different strengths and challenges, and focusing on writing ability rather than the argument itself comes across as unnecessarily mean-spirited. |
I couldn't really work out the "ideas" because the writing was so bad.
but, genuinely, I only see spaces before punctuation from people who generally hold right wing views. I am going to get some research funding money from my employee to properly investigate. | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:54 - Mar 27 with 297 views | Westcountryblue |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:48 - Mar 27 by ReusersTown |
THIS, He must be on some kind of gaslighting windup. I did note his use of apolitical. |
So you do you think he should go ? It's a fairly simple answer | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:57 - Mar 27 with 286 views | mellowblue |
Pah, it's all karma. He moves me out of my prime seat to create a half-used media area and shoves me in a restricted view seat. He can lose his job.
What comes around goes around. 😁 | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:59 - Mar 27 with 277 views | homer_123 |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:41 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
Shortsighted and poorly advised, yes. Intentionally divisive, no.
For the countless good decisions the club has made over the past 4-5 years, it seems a little destructive to zero in on one mistake.
Before MA was CEO, members of the local press were banned from the club. |
Even if Ashton was a decent bloke by homer_123 27 Mar 8:30I think the analogy we can use here is Gerald Ratner.
For all the good Ashton has done during his time here, and no argument can really be made against that, he's undone all the work you list with one, single, stupid decision.
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| In defence of Ashton on 16:03 - Mar 27 with 252 views | ReusersTown |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:54 - Mar 27 by Westcountryblue |
So you do you think he should go ? It's a fairly simple answer |
Of course he should go, your logic makes no sense. What exactly do you think he's going to be contributing to the next 8 games on the pitch? Or have you so far decended into his backside that you genuinely believe he's responsible for our promotions.
You appear to think its shortsighted to want to protect or at least salvage the reputation of the club, just for the sake of Ashton hanging around.
You've been spouting completely contradictory nonsense all thread. It's like you're living in upside down world.
I actually am apolitical, and I'm furious.
I also object to the fact that you seem to be pedalling that this is all accidental. You think he didn't know that an invited visit from Farage would be divisive? Just what are you thinking. [Post edited 27 Mar 16:06]
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| In defence of Ashton on 16:03 - Mar 27 with 244 views | Westcountryblue |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:54 - Mar 27 by urbanpenguin |
I couldn't really work out the "ideas" because the writing was so bad.
but, genuinely, I only see spaces before punctuation from people who generally hold right wing views. I am going to get some research funding money from my employee to properly investigate. |
That feels both absurd and, frankly, a bit insulting to those who live with challenges such as dyslexia. Not everyone who struggles with spelling or punctuation should be casually grouped into a political label or movement as you imply. It's a sweeping and unfair assumption.
It’s also worth considering that many supporters have little to no interest in politics at all and are pretty indifferent to all of this. For some fans in their 20s, the past four or five years have actually been the most enjoyable period they’ve experienced supporting Ipswich. Before that, we endured nearly two decades of little to no success, just disappointment and total stagnation. [Post edited 27 Mar 16:03]
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| In defence of Ashton on 16:04 - Mar 27 with 227 views | homer_123 |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:36 - Mar 27 by hunty21 |
So all the staff should leave then, its not just him thst has ballsed up |
The buck stops Ashton though, doesn't it?
He invited Farage, he lunched with him personally, organised a stadium tour facilitating Reform's use of the Club for its own agenda and aims. He then, and I suspect in full knowledge, via the Club denied pretty much everything and has now disappeared.
I mean, if it's such a big deal, why didn't the Club publicise it in the first place if it's a non-issue? | |
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| In defence of Ashton on 16:05 - Mar 27 with 226 views | hunty21 |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:46 - Mar 27 by urbanpenguin |
Again, I ask, why is there a correlation between bad takes and people who put spaces before commas. It's nearly a perfect correlation. |
Its social media not an essay fed up of people knitwear picking grammer and you out an extra space after a comma .... | | | |
| In defence of Ashton on 16:06 - Mar 27 with 222 views | bartyg |
| In defence of Ashton on 15:54 - Mar 27 by urbanpenguin |
I couldn't really work out the "ideas" because the writing was so bad.
but, genuinely, I only see spaces before punctuation from people who generally hold right wing views. I am going to get some research funding money from my employee to properly investigate. |
I have done it occasionally, but usually to note sarcasm !
Not sure what that means for the ones you query. |  |
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