| Blue Action - what now? 18:35 - Mar 28 with 3296 views | Zx1988 |
Massive kudos to you for having shared your direct experiences of Ashton earlier this week. Where do you see things as going from here?
Are you expecting some terminal bridge-burning push-back from Ashton; following through on his threats to destroy you? Or do you think that, as wounded as he has to be after the last week, Ashton is going to have to work constructively with you now? |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 21:00 - Mar 28 with 3050 views | ChelmsfordBlue86 |
This should not be ignored imo. The way that Ashton dealt with Blue Action sums him up. BA have played a huge part in rejuvenating the club when we hit our lowest points and to be treated in such disregard is a complete disgrace. They helped to instigate a lot of the amazing things that we have all experienced in recent years including the coach welcomes that the players themselves said was something they had never seen, but apparently according to big Mark everyone hates them š What a pathetic power driven man he is. So much good work that he rightly got credit for, wasted. | | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:29 - Mar 28 with 2842 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Iād like some context to it.
What banners was Ashton on about? Why were they meeting.
What was discussed? Iāve no reason to disbelieve it, but Iād like the full story. |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 22:41 - Mar 28 with 2774 views | Kievthegreat |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:29 - Mar 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Iād like some context to it.
What banners was Ashton on about? Why were they meeting.
What was discussed? Iāve no reason to disbelieve it, but Iād like the full story. |
Someone will find the posts in the thread, but apparently he really lost his sh1t at the one talking about the "Cost of football crisis" and against pricing fans out.
He also was reputedly a d1ck about the one saying "Traditions matter" when we wore the black out kit Vs Derby.
Edit: Turns out I found the thread/posts [Post edited 28 Mar 22:44]
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| Blue Action - what now? on 22:42 - Mar 28 with 2752 views | Kievthegreat |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:29 - Mar 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Iād like some context to it.
What banners was Ashton on about? Why were they meeting.
What was discussed? Iāve no reason to disbelieve it, but Iād like the full story. |
All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage by Blue_Order 26 Mar 18:45Ashton threatened to āfinishā our fans group for displaying āunauthorised banners inside HIS stadiumā during a recent meeting.
He was shouting and swearing at us for a good 45 minutes - we had to tell him to calm down and stop talking to us the way he was. Could tell from the (non) reaction of the other club staff present, it wasnāt the first time theyād seen him behave like that.
The whole meeting was wild and if I hadnāt have witnessed it myself, I probably wouldnāt have believed it.
If this is the end of him, then good riddance. Despite his good professional work, as a man, heās never been fit to lead our great club.
All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage by Blue_Order 26 Mar 20:27āThe cost of football crisisā
āStop pricing fans out of the gameā
He had a go at us, albeit nowhere near on the same scale, after we made a point about us playing in a black kit at PR that time too. That one said āTradition Mattersā.
He doesnāt like any dissenting voice, or our group at all. Says weāre ābad for the clubs family imageā. He told us everyone at the club hates us, and that nobody was willing to work with us for at least the rest of the season (not that they do much anyway but).
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| Blue Action - what now? on 22:54 - Mar 28 with 2665 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:41 - Mar 28 by Kievthegreat |
Someone will find the posts in the thread, but apparently he really lost his sh1t at the one talking about the "Cost of football crisis" and against pricing fans out.
He also was reputedly a d1ck about the one saying "Traditions matter" when we wore the black out kit Vs Derby.
Edit: Turns out I found the thread/posts [Post edited 28 Mar 22:44]
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He was right about Derby. Why undermine a positive club initiative- commercially and otherwise? | |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 23:51 - Mar 28 with 2479 views | ReusersTown |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:54 - Mar 28 by redrickstuhaart |
He was right about Derby. Why undermine a positive club initiative- commercially and otherwise? |
Because it's not all about commercialisation of the club and fans should be allowed to voice that, we're not his plaything. | | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 23:58 - Mar 28 with 2445 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:54 - Mar 28 by redrickstuhaart |
He was right about Derby. Why undermine a positive club initiative- commercially and otherwise? |
I'm with Blue Action on this. We play in Blue.
See also when we wear our change strip when there is no need to.
But then, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to these things. |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 00:06 - Mar 29 with 2402 views | The_Jackal |
BA's revelation reminded me of something that I'd noticed in the summer...
ITFC released details of the 25/26 match ticket prices on their website on 24th July.
The article initially appeared in the 'Featured News' section at the top of the page (where about 5 articles are shown in the header), and it was high in the 'News' list, as per the usual chronological order, having only just been published.
Shortly afterwards, I went back on to copy the link to send to a mate and the article had disappeared from the 'Featured News'. I found it much further down the 'News' list too. Then noticed that the date of the article had been changed to 22 July (2 days ago!) Why change it to the wrong date? I thought it was to bury the news.
TWTD did a story too by the way (24th, and obvs Phil wouldn't be 2 days late).
The club had all summer but it was the same day (and around the same time) that Morsy's departure was announced (lots of web traffic anticipated).
Presumably, the club thought that the less people that saw it (and at the same time), the better. ST holders may never notice, and less likely for a negative reaction to gain momentum if fans found out gradually. Managing the release of bad news like a political party...
It shows that the club knew the prices would be controversial. Not surprised Ashton was angry that BA drew attention to it, he thought they'd got away with it.
As for the 'family image' that he's now harmed himself, he was always going to prioritise that because families are likely to spend more money. More 'dwell time' as the Americans put it, buy official merch etc. |  | | |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 00:08 - Mar 29 with 2373 views | The_Jackal |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:29 - Mar 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Iād like some context to it.
What banners was Ashton on about? Why were they meeting.
What was discussed? Iāve no reason to disbelieve it, but Iād like the full story. |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 00:16 - Mar 29 with 2319 views | The_Jackal |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:54 - Mar 28 by redrickstuhaart |
He was right about Derby. Why undermine a positive club initiative- commercially and otherwise? |
Freedom of expression. Ironically, something that Farage goes on about.
Ashton and some of his staff try to control the narrative at all times. Some kick back is a good thing, it doesnāt matter how big the ego is, they all back track with enough of it. | | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 13:04 - Mar 29 with 1832 views | darkhorse28 |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:29 - Mar 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Iād like some context to it.
What banners was Ashton on about? Why were they meeting.
What was discussed? Iāve no reason to disbelieve it, but Iād like the full story. |
Sigh. Already Iām reaching for ācritical evaluation lightā
So you make a good point. But Iāve never seen a Tifo or banner than was anything other than respectful, not one. Iāve also read and spoken to MANY people who have worked with Mark, this version of him or set of behaviours ist unique. I guess youāve read the first hand experience of EVERYONE at Watford.
āI spent time canvassing everyone that worked with Mark at Watford, to find just one person with a good word to say, they donāt existā - I paraphrase.
When your eliminate whatās possible, and you have whatās probable, thatās likely the truth.
Iām Mark is many things. Some of them very positive, but the ego problem, has always been a big issue, and power and control, chairman and CEO - did you think that happened by mistake????
āLetās sing shit on the villa for meā at our promotion party, I was at!!! Left me speechless
, 20 odd years away from elite, and thatās what Mark wants, for it to be about HIM and HIM alone.
Iām psychology you build a picture form behaviours not words, a set of small important behaviours which builds profile.
Massive ego yes. Gof comlec and need for control and power, yup, and yet it itās fragile self esteem thatās the bigger issue - heās 35 year not elite, and he knows it, anyone like blue action that is popular, is a threat, they could grow to the point where they could influence fan support in a difficult period for him, could lose him his job.
I ca 100% see him wanting to mitigate fad groups.., and not care about the positives - it fits a pattern of behaviours over 35 years.
He controlled the media at Watford like a low rent Hitler - according to those that experienced it.
So what part of these behaviours over 35 years had you still craving to be a Mark Ashton apologist??
Killing our club, our commercial value not enough for you??
Tell me Joe many games weāll get on tv now after this season - away fans singing far right songs about us - we are toxic now, not party politics. TV canāt touch that smoke and upset their sponsors, and thatās just one revenue stream now reduced or destroyed, there are hundreds more commercial implications.
So what Mark may or may not be, probably doesnāt matter.
Heās commercially incompetant, makes awful decisions, and lacks integrity with the cover up, those alone are gross misconduct and warrant him being nowhere near our club!!
The owners will have the calculator out - it has to be tens of millions, could be hundreds, BUT if we go up, perhaps that changes the commercial dynamic slightly.
Gone in the summer. If it wasnāt for the timing, should have been gone in seconds.
If he doesnāt go in the summer - Mark Ashton is the least of our worries and commercial apocalypse too ā¦, at that point we have apathetic owners that donāt care less about us .., that would be terminal. | | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 13:14 - Mar 29 with 1780 views | Dubtractor |
| Blue Action - what now? on 13:04 - Mar 29 by darkhorse28 |
Sigh. Already Iām reaching for ācritical evaluation lightā
So you make a good point. But Iāve never seen a Tifo or banner than was anything other than respectful, not one. Iāve also read and spoken to MANY people who have worked with Mark, this version of him or set of behaviours ist unique. I guess youāve read the first hand experience of EVERYONE at Watford.
āI spent time canvassing everyone that worked with Mark at Watford, to find just one person with a good word to say, they donāt existā - I paraphrase.
When your eliminate whatās possible, and you have whatās probable, thatās likely the truth.
Iām Mark is many things. Some of them very positive, but the ego problem, has always been a big issue, and power and control, chairman and CEO - did you think that happened by mistake????
āLetās sing shit on the villa for meā at our promotion party, I was at!!! Left me speechless
, 20 odd years away from elite, and thatās what Mark wants, for it to be about HIM and HIM alone.
Iām psychology you build a picture form behaviours not words, a set of small important behaviours which builds profile.
Massive ego yes. Gof comlec and need for control and power, yup, and yet it itās fragile self esteem thatās the bigger issue - heās 35 year not elite, and he knows it, anyone like blue action that is popular, is a threat, they could grow to the point where they could influence fan support in a difficult period for him, could lose him his job.
I ca 100% see him wanting to mitigate fad groups.., and not care about the positives - it fits a pattern of behaviours over 35 years.
He controlled the media at Watford like a low rent Hitler - according to those that experienced it.
So what part of these behaviours over 35 years had you still craving to be a Mark Ashton apologist??
Killing our club, our commercial value not enough for you??
Tell me Joe many games weāll get on tv now after this season - away fans singing far right songs about us - we are toxic now, not party politics. TV canāt touch that smoke and upset their sponsors, and thatās just one revenue stream now reduced or destroyed, there are hundreds more commercial implications.
So what Mark may or may not be, probably doesnāt matter.
Heās commercially incompetant, makes awful decisions, and lacks integrity with the cover up, those alone are gross misconduct and warrant him being nowhere near our club!!
The owners will have the calculator out - it has to be tens of millions, could be hundreds, BUT if we go up, perhaps that changes the commercial dynamic slightly.
Gone in the summer. If it wasnāt for the timing, should have been gone in seconds.
If he doesnāt go in the summer - Mark Ashton is the least of our worries and commercial apocalypse too ā¦, at that point we have apathetic owners that donāt care less about us .., that would be terminal. |
I've taken you off ignore to reply to this - was reading the forum not logged in so read this post.
To paraphrase you somewhat: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
I think a decent number of our supporters could do with remembering that phrase - it has been pretty obvious what had occurred on Monday as soon as both the initial 'no official involvement' statement came out, alongside the pictures shared by Reform.
Some of our support have been so determined to want to see a less damaging reality, and I get why, that they started creating alternative scenarios to try and explain it away.
It has always been a duck! |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 13:31 - Mar 29 with 1704 views | lurcher |
Hopefully a huge banner with Ashtons face on it and the word "Liar" on the bottom. [Post edited 29 Mar 13:33]
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:09 - Mar 29 with 1323 views | Slambo |
I genuinely have no idea. You'd hope he'd have some contrition after recent events, but then he may be further emboldened if he feels he's got away with it. Want to have a break from social media for a bit to be honest, but will release a statement in coming days... |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:17 - Mar 29 with 1277 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Blue Action - what now? on 13:31 - Mar 29 by lurcher |
Hopefully a huge banner with Ashtons face on it and the word "Liar" on the bottom. [Post edited 29 Mar 13:33]
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I would prefer to see one of McKenna with a suitable caption reflecting the honesty and integrity with which he leads. |  | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:27 - Mar 29 with 1192 views | bluelagos |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:23 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I said on another thread that this should be the banner
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I messaged one member suggesting
"Ipswich lives in racial harmony" |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:28 - Mar 29 with 1177 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:27 - Mar 29 by bluelagos |
I messaged one member suggesting
"Ipswich lives in racial harmony" |
Another good call. Although that could be stopped on political grounds (I know it's silly). Whereas the words of the great man are part of th fabric of our club. Ashton would be powerless to sop it and it highlights the words "Not the Directors". [Post edited 29 Mar 19:31]
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:38 - Mar 29 with 1105 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:23 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I said on another thread that this should be the banner
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It would need to be huge to see the words!
Ashton, just go would do it for me. |  |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:39 - Mar 29 with 1093 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:28 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Another good call. Although that could be stopped on political grounds (I know it's silly). Whereas the words of the great man are part of th fabric of our club. Ashton would be powerless to sop it and it highlights the words "Not the Directors". [Post edited 29 Mar 19:31]
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Perhaps they just shouldn't ask! | |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 19:40 - Mar 29 with 1067 views | bluelagos |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:23 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I said on another thread that this should be the banner
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My proudest memory on here is when Bobby came back with Newcastle There was talk of the fans singing his name, a banner whatever.
My response, "Is that it? The greatest man to honour our club and that's all we're going to do?"
The chat carried on and we settled on the idea of fans writing their thanks and Phil had them collated and presented to him before the match.
One of the best fan led moments I've ever seen and so proud of what we did. Fans united to say thank you, young and old, everyone.
Don't think Ashton is fit to lace the shoes of a man like Sir Bobby. He has brought shame on our club, on Bobby's club.
Christ I'm still fcking angry. That's me for the night, need a few hours away from it. | |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 20:09 - Mar 29 with 926 views | Blue_Moses |
| Blue Action - what now? on 23:58 - Mar 28 by TheMoralMajority |
I'm with Blue Action on this. We play in Blue.
See also when we wear our change strip when there is no need to.
But then, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to these things. |
I don't agree with the kit decisions but this has been happening in football for years now, it's not a specific choice the club has made | | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 20:17 - Mar 29 with 878 views | Mark |
| Blue Action - what now? on 22:41 - Mar 28 by Kievthegreat |
Someone will find the posts in the thread, but apparently he really lost his sh1t at the one talking about the "Cost of football crisis" and against pricing fans out.
He also was reputedly a d1ck about the one saying "Traditions matter" when we wore the black out kit Vs Derby.
Edit: Turns out I found the thread/posts [Post edited 28 Mar 22:44]
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That Tradition Matters banner was the one I was most glad about, as I hate it when we choose not to play in blue to try to sell more replica kits. I am glad we have not repeated wearing an away kit at home, but I am disappointed about how often we choose to play in red or grey away when we could wear blue.
I know it is not just us. England dressed up as Spain in their last match at home. |  | | |
| Blue Action - what now? on 20:29 - Mar 29 with 815 views | algy |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:23 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I said on another thread that this should be the banner
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Thought there was a banner on the wall at the back of SBR upper last time I was up there, wasn't that a Sir Bobby quote? | |
| Never forget that on 7th. April 2021, for ITFC, the Game Changed. |
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| Blue Action - what now? on 20:44 - Mar 29 with 683 views | thebooks |
| Blue Action - what now? on 19:38 - Mar 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It would need to be huge to see the words!
Ashton, just go would do it for me. |
I think using this quote is a really good idea. Just a bit of it would do: āWhat is a club in any case?ā or similar. [Post edited 29 Mar 20:55]
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