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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. 15:15 - Mar 29 with 2581 views

Sow division, blame someone else, try to break up any existing institution, unity, or community. Discriminate against everyone (eventually) other than his rich mates and those in the fossil fuel industry who line his pockets. He’s clearing the way for Trump. Soon we will have a British version of ICE banging on our front doors, if we’re poor, old, fat, disabled, have ginger hair, have a skin colour that hasn’t been moisturised with beer and nicotine.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 with 1915 views

Dubtractor

This is why making a stand is important.

We've all seen what has happened in the USA, with lots of dismissing of concern along the way as overreacting or snowflakes blah blah blah.

We cannot be so complacent and let the same happen here. We already see Farage using the Trump playbook with the media here, especially the media that offers any kind of criticism. Make no mistake, reform and Farage see the Trump approach as something to aspire to.

As a comfortably off, white, heterosexual, able bodied (ish) man I'll be fine, but I'm actually pretty scared about what it would mean for large sections of our society.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:34 - Mar 29 with 1855 views

urbanpenguin

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

Indeed. It's an unfortunate turn of phrase, but we are really the canary in the coalmine here

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:51 - Mar 29 with 1799 views

BlueBadger

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

Exactly this. I am terrified as to what a Moscow Nige led government could do to my friends, colleagues and family.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:58 - Mar 29 with 1776 views

Radlett_blue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

We are a democracy and if Reform win the largest number of seats in the next Parliament, they will have a shot at forming the next government. This looks unlikely as if they are successful, the Tories will have been reduced to rubble and I doubt any of the other parties would work with Reform.
The next General Election may highlight how inequitable FPTP is, but if it stops Reform from having a meaningful say, some will be grateful for that. The alternative is PR, whereby you invariably have a coalition & some small, extremist parties have an undue influence.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:00 - Mar 29 with 1764 views

Dubtractor

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:58 - Mar 29 by Radlett_blue

I agree with your first sentence, absolutely, but my point is about trying to ensure that people truly understand what Reform stand for and choose an alternative.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:03 - Mar 29 with 1726 views

urbanpenguin

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:58 - Mar 29 by Radlett_blue

I fully expect Labour and Tories to soon come out in support of Proportional Representation. But at that point,*they* will be the small parties seeking undue influence I suspect.

Look, I hate Farage, and his 'politics' are a disgrace that will be existentially dangerous to my personhood, work and communities. But I think PR is far fairer than the nonsense FPTP and disenfranchisement we have now. I'm mid-40s and none of my GE votes has ever mattered because of where I've lived. Yes, Farage would have more power in parliament, but it would be fairer.

I also know the downside - my in law family are Italian so I see the fracturing that can happen - but individually votes would mean more, and all voices can be more heard. And compared to what we've endured for decades, I'm up for the test.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:08 - Mar 29 with 1694 views

Radlett_blue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:00 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor
I agree with your first sentence, absolutely, but my point is about trying to ensure that people truly understand what Reform stand for and choose an alternative.

Reform will come under much more scrutiny in a General Election campaign, although my impression is that many of their supporters are backing them because of gut instinct (particularly on immigration) rather than analysis. I believe many other know that their sums don't add up at all, but they feel that the 2 main parties have been failing us completely for years so they're prepared to roll the dice with Farage.
Reform's support is at around the level where they can expect to win a meaningful number of seats under FPTP, rather than piling up second places, as used to happen to the Liberals.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:12 - Mar 29 with 1654 views

nrb1985

Farage hasn’t done anything.

Ashton invited him and bent over the table for him.

Farage is just being Farage.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:14 - Mar 29 with 1649 views

peterleeblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

Goto the Globalplayer and listen to the first 20 minutes of Lewis Goodall's programme on LBC.

He is covering the growth OF MAGA in America, Liz Truss calling for similar here and the fact that America believes we in Britain have been taken over by sharia law.

Now I don't know what Ashton's motives actually were. At best to positively position the club in what maybe a changing local political landscape or at worst 100% is own interests in developing rapport with Farridge and reform for some sort of personal gain.
I doubt we will now never know.

Whilst I am disappointed with the club the larger direction of travel with all things Farage and Reform is of graver concern. The nucleus of this has already set us on the Brexit disaster path and my concern is that if the Iran War makes us all significantly poorer many will see a Reform / US relationship being re established with a back drop of lies suggesting this will make us all wealthy again.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:30 - Mar 29 with 1554 views

Illinoisblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:12 - Mar 29 by nrb1985
Farage hasn’t done anything. Ashton invited him and bent over the table for him. Farage is just being Farage.

Farage blagged a free lunch, six Town shirts, disrespected McKenna and then had his social media goons rip off the artwork of Louise Cobbold. Fk him. And fk Ashton for inviting him.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:35 - Mar 29 with 1494 views

Nthsuffolkblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

1000%.

Niemoller summed up in your final paragraph.

I could easily be comfortable with knowing that personally I am fine. But ultimately there will be something they would come for us for. And even if there isn't, we need to stand up for what is morally right.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:38 - Mar 29 with 1477 views

J2BLUE

Yea, this has been a case study in why it's so important to keep them out. The current government are far from perfect but they are million times better than Reform.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:41 - Mar 29 with 1433 views

nrb1985

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:30 - Mar 29 by Illinoisblue
Farage blagged a free lunch, six Town shirts, disrespected McKenna and then had his social media goons rip off the artwork of Louise Cobbold. Fk him. And fk Ashton for inviting him.

Think we are on the same side of this broadly but to be clear, from what we now read (and hasn't been refuted);

- We reached out to him
- We invited him to PR
- We gave him lunch
- We gave him the shirts
- We let him and his goons film and make good PR from it

Being angry at Farage is like being angry at a Wasp for stinging you.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:43 - Mar 29 with 1428 views

peterleeblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:38 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE
Yea, this has been a case study in why it's so important to keep them out. The current government are far from perfect but they are million times better than Reform.

Absolutely.

And by and large on this forum and here ....
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/
the general consensus would suggest Reform wont get in.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:43 - Mar 29 with 1417 views

TheMoralMajority

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:41 - Mar 29 by nrb1985
Think we are on the same side of this broadly but to be clear, from what we now read (and hasn't been refuted); - We reached out to him - We invited him to PR - We gave him lunch - We gave him the shirts - We let him and his goons film and make good PR from it Being angry at Farage is like being angry at a Wasp for stinging you.

Or, probably, more aptly, putting it in your mouth and being surprised it has stung you.

Ashton out

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:45 - Mar 29 with 1391 views

bsw72

The fans had no choice as to whether Farage visited or not, the British public has a choice on whether he becomes prime minister

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:45 - Mar 29 with 1393 views

peterleeblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:43 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority
Or, probably, more aptly, putting it in your mouth and being surprised it has stung you.

The doctoring of the Artists work once they knew the upset caused shows Reform for what they are. Assuming of course this was down to them.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:48 - Mar 29 with 1366 views

BasingstokeBlue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:43 - Mar 29 by peterleeblue
Absolutely. And by and large on this forum and here .... https://www.readytogo.net/smb/ the general consensus would suggest Reform wont get in.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 17:03 - Mar 29 with 1305 views

nrb1985

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:43 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority
Or, probably, more aptly, putting it in your mouth and being surprised it has stung you.

well, quite.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 17:55 - Mar 29 with 1140 views

Swansea_Blue

Abso-fkn-lutely. People have gone around in circles on here saying nothing original for days, which is fine and seemingly cathartic. Yet this is the crux of it.

Our club has promoted the worst of politicians. Farage wants a UK DOGE equivalent to the one in the US, supposedly to root out savings from cutting EDI. That’s been a disaster in the US in ripping apart organisations, and now studies of the impacts show it’s going to save barely any money. They went from a $2 trillion saving target, to $1 trillion, and then to $150 million and then failed to meet that lol. All while sacking the most people ever in peacetime, so impoverishing people and neighbourhoods. Reform want the same and their councils are showing they’re on the same trajectory by not finding any room to cut budgets despite their claims and then whacking up taxes by the maximum allowed (who’d have known, eh? Apart from anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size (thanks darkhorse!).

And of course he wants a UK version of ICE too, as you said.

Farage has no original ideas and doesn’t even recognise the problems and so obviously can’t offer any solutions. All he does is borrow from the populist right playbook. If we want to avoid being like the increasingly fascist America where serious people are now thinking there’s a chance Trump will subvert democracy completely, don’t vote Reform. It sounds hysterical, but nobody thought America would go as far towards fascist authoritarianism as they have, and so quickly.

We haven’t recovered from the Tory austerity yet. Don’t give some of the same Tories on steroids a chance to completely ruin the UK.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 18:23 - Mar 29 with 1058 views

Radlett_blue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:45 - Mar 29 by bsw72
The fans had no choice as to whether Farage visited or not, the British public has a choice on whether he becomes prime minister

That's why Town have a CEO, but his judgement in inviting Farage was dreadful & the feeble attempted cover-up only made things worse.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 22:28 - Mar 29 with 815 views

mellowblue

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 16:12 - Mar 29 by nrb1985
Farage hasn’t done anything. Ashton invited him and bent over the table for him. Farage is just being Farage.

Correct, apart from chucking his lunch partners in the shite by exploiting it for PR purposes.
If Farage has been such a divisive figure to the fans of a not very massive county football club , just imagine if you multiply it to a national level, the turmoil that would be caused. You would be looking at a broken country.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 22:29 - Mar 29 with 814 views

BRIDGHAMBLUE

This feels like a bit of a stretch, to be honest.

A politician visiting or being linked to a football club isn’t the same as “sowing division” or dismantling institutions. That’s a huge leap from what’s actually happened here.

Comparing it to things like ICE or suggesting people are going to be targeted for things like appearance or background just pushes it into exaggeration. It doesn’t really help the conversation, it just ramps up fear and anger.

People can disagree with Nigel Farage and his politics, that’s completely fair. But turning it into worst-case scenarios and extreme comparisons makes it harder to have any balanced discussion.

At the end of the day, it was a visit/interaction involving a football club , not a sign the country (or the club) is about to collapse.

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Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 22:31 - Mar 29 with 801 views

BRIDGHAMBLUE

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:21 - Mar 29 by Dubtractor

I get people want to “make a stand”, but there’s a bit of a contradiction here.

You’re warning about authoritarian behaviour and lack of tolerance ,while at the same time implying anyone who doesn’t share your view is complacent or part of the problem. That’s not really open debate, that’s just another form of shutting people down.

Also, saying you’re worried about what might happen to “large sections of society” is fair as a concern ,but jumping from a football club interaction to comparisons with the US and worst-case scenarios feels like a big leap.

People can disagree with Nigel Farage or Reform UK without it meaning the country is heading toward some extreme outcome. Equally, others should be able to disagree with you without being dismissed.

If anything, the whole point of a healthy society is being able to have these discussions without assuming the worst about each other, not telling people what they should or shouldn’t think.

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 22:32 - Mar 29 with 796 views

BRIDGHAMBLUE

Farage has done to this club what he will do to the country. on 15:34 - Mar 29 by urbanpenguin
Indeed. It's an unfortunate turn of phrase, but we are really the canary in the coalmine here

Say's the guy who's part of mob and the problem.

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