| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team 07:39 - Apr 3 with 2790 views | muccletonjoe |
After 10 days of senseless debate, the whole Farage situation is festering in the hands of opposing political viewpoints.
Absolutely nothing I can do to change that here, all I can say is those views existed before Ashton decided to make them public, they were there but we didn't bring them to Portman road with us , any more than we did our work, or family problems.
I know there are now people on both sides who will not let this go, but the bottom line is , you are not going to change peoples politcal views it is what it is, we all go to the ground for one reason, all we can do is concentrate on that , no matter how aggrieved we feel , I can guarantee it will not be solved inside a football ground, anymore than it should be brought there in the first place. As supporters we have to accept we are together because of the team, and tolerate the fact that it might be all we have in common. There really is no other way to move on from this. |  | | |  |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:14 - Apr 3 with 675 views | Pinewoodblue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:32 - Apr 3 by bsw72 |
Frankly I’m bored of it all. There are more than 2 sides.
There are people who are angry about the fact it was Farage and think it’s about the club being used in a political stunt.
There are people who accept people have different political views but are angry at how the club and Ashton managed, explained and apologised after the fall out and want Ashton out as a result, because of how they now see the club perceived in the media and the lack of trust in mgmt at their club.
There are those who are angry about both of the above but just want to move on as they accept that stuff like this goes on at all kinds of organisations.
There are those who were angry but the constant infighting and campaigning to get Ashton out has started to wind them up more than the original issue and just want to move on.
There are those who have just been waiting for Ashton to screw up to support their campaign against him for their own reasons.
There are those who actually just shrugged it off at the time and still are not hugely bothered.
There are those who never paid any attention to it.
People are welcome to their opinions but the view that it’s just a binary type issue with only 2 positions and outcomes is very simplified.
Like I said, I’m bored of it all and just want to watch my team play football. |
If you are bored of it why keep commenting? |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:23 - Apr 3 with 650 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:15 - Apr 3 by homer_123 |
It's not and never has been about Politics. |
For some fans, it has and always has been either totally or partially about politics. Some people think aligning ourselves with an organisation whose standpoint is diametrically opposite to our values of inclusivity isn’t a good look at all.
And it’s also about the lying to fans.
And it’s about surprising and annoying staff, players and sponsors.
And it’s about doing something so obviously stupid at a critical point of the season.
Any number of the above could be important to any one of us. We’re all individuals innit. (Edit. Bsw covered it better. There are loads of reasons why this is, or isn’t, getting under people’s skin). [Post edited 3 Apr 11:25]
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:37 - Apr 3 with 631 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
For me it’s got nothing to do with whether or not I like Farage as a person. It’s his vile politics and the number of vile people in Reform who hold views that are the absolute opposite of what the Club says are its core values.
Or in other words it’s not tribal (for me). I’d be as equally annoyed with we were cozying up to Britain First, Restore Britain or any other racist party. If we hosted Labour’s Mahmood I’d be equally as unimpressed, as I also find her views on immigration vile.
For some it may be nothing but tribal off course. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:38 - Apr 3 with 630 views | jayessess |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:23 - Apr 3 by Swansea_Blue |
For some fans, it has and always has been either totally or partially about politics. Some people think aligning ourselves with an organisation whose standpoint is diametrically opposite to our values of inclusivity isn’t a good look at all.
And it’s also about the lying to fans.
And it’s about surprising and annoying staff, players and sponsors.
And it’s about doing something so obviously stupid at a critical point of the season.
Any number of the above could be important to any one of us. We’re all individuals innit. (Edit. Bsw covered it better. There are loads of reasons why this is, or isn’t, getting under people’s skin). [Post edited 3 Apr 11:25]
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It's political in that I don't want my club to be a place that coddles the politics of hate and division
It's apolitical in the sense I'd be perfectly happy with "not coddling any politics at all" as a way to achieve that. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:39 - Apr 3 with 631 views | ReusersTown |
There is one very simple, very straightforward way to move on from this. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:45 - Apr 3 with 613 views | ReusersTown |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:51 - Apr 3 by bazza |
Utter nonsense, this all boils down to the fact it was farage and his political views , (bar one or two who already hated Ashton) people Should just be honest about it. They are all calling for honesty from Ashton. There’s No shame in hating farage. The fact Ashton tried to lie about what happened just added fuel To the already raging inferno. |
There is only one side of the political spectrum that seem to want to make it political and obfuscate and it isn't those who are Ashton out, from the perspective of a political neutral. They seem to be very supportive of the club suddenly given their posting histories. Completely overlooking the fact that Ashton has proved to be completely untrustworthy an thus unfit for the role and is causing further damage to the club by remaining in place. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:45 - Apr 3 with 612 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:38 - Apr 3 by jayessess |
It's political in that I don't want my club to be a place that coddles the politics of hate and division
It's apolitical in the sense I'd be perfectly happy with "not coddling any politics at all" as a way to achieve that. |
Amen to that. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:50 - Apr 3 with 608 views | ONENIL78 |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:13 - Apr 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
1. What do you mean by the country becoming lawless? How is it any worse than it's always been?
2. In what way is Farage going to solve your perceived problem? |
Not much diversity in clapham... | | | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:51 - Apr 3 with 603 views | ReusersTown |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:21 - Apr 3 by SuffolkPunchFC |
But it’s not only one (politically leaning) side is it.
I’ve avoided getting involved in the Ashton in/out debate precisely because so many on this forum and elsewhere have made it all about politics (I’m not saying you have, and it’s not everyone - but it’s a significant number of browbeating people on both sides of the debate), when it should be nothing about politics.
If I say I’m in favour of Ashton going, I’m a Reform/Farage-supporting fascist.
If I say I’m in favour of Ashton staying, I’m a woke lefty.
As much as many posters want to deny it, this situation is massively influenced by the politics involved for a lot of those debating it. I’m not even going to post my reasoned thinking on the situation, for fear of it being leapt on and twisted into an inferred political leaning. |
And there is one man who has created these conditions and made it political (yet more fan blamingf), if you want it to no longer be about politics (or to somewhat neutralise it). That requires Ashton to be gone so that the club can move on. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:04 - Apr 3 with 562 views | ReusersTown |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:29 - Apr 3 by TownieRob |
I’ve stayed out of this for a week or so now. To me, it looks like there are a few different reasons why people are annoyed. Some are saying it’s about the 'lies', while others are clearly reacting to differences in political views.
Personally, my view is that both points need a bit of perspective. If you’re upset because a CEO/ chairman has lied to you, then I’d say that’s unfortunately part of the reality at that level in any business for that matter, it happens more often than people like to admit, especially when people are under pressure.
On the political side, people also need to recognise that strong opinions exist from 'both sides'..Some feel just as strongly about Farage as others do about Polanski or Keir. Some might not see them as equally divisive as Farage, but others do, and that’s the nature of opinion and having a different view from someone doesn’t make either side 'thick' and everyone has their own reasons for thinking the way they do.
I agree with the OP, whatever’s gone on, we all need to get behind the team now. No excuses, just get behind them and crack on. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:30]
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This couldn't miss the point more. Ashton has weaponised and politicised the club with the lies, all so that he can further his own ends, in the process mugging off the fans and all that work within the club or are associated with the club.
Strong differences do exist and by his actions he's alienated a large base of the supporters, which can't just be washed over with 'let's get behind the boys' from those looking to bury their heads in the sand. For one thing they are equally as pissed off. By not taking a stand you're effectively complicit in giving him the clear for what is horrendous behaviour, unfitting of a CEO. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:06 - Apr 3 with 556 views | Leaky |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:15 - Apr 3 by homer_123 |
It's not and never has been about Politics. |
Sorry to disagree, you only have to look at the various poster's clicking up & down votes to see its political. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:11 - Apr 3 with 544 views | TownieRob |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:04 - Apr 3 by ReusersTown |
This couldn't miss the point more. Ashton has weaponised and politicised the club with the lies, all so that he can further his own ends, in the process mugging off the fans and all that work within the club or are associated with the club.
Strong differences do exist and by his actions he's alienated a large base of the supporters, which can't just be washed over with 'let's get behind the boys' from those looking to bury their heads in the sand. For one thing they are equally as pissed off. By not taking a stand you're effectively complicit in giving him the clear for what is horrendous behaviour, unfitting of a CEO. |
No point missed at all.
He’s only 'mugged off' those who’ve let this cause them real distress. Am I happy he did it? No. But I also didn’t put him on some pedestal like some fans clearly have.
I’m not complicit in anything. I just choose not to make this whole thing about Ashton or my own feelings on it. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team (n/t) on 12:14 - Apr 3 with 526 views | ReusersTown |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:48 - Apr 3 by Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t about politics it is about the club allowing itself to be used for political purposes.
Whether Ashton encouraged it or was taken advantage of was unimportant. I say was because our Chairman lied to each and every one of us, presumably because he wasn’t man enough to admit to a serious error of misjudgement.
He tried to apologise without bruising hie ego. Had he just been CEO then whoever was Chairman would have stepped in, issued a full apology and slapped his CEO’s wrists.
End of story. But no he has made his position untenable.
As for fans comments, attitudes , there can be no winners so STFU and support Kieran, his coaching staff and all players. |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:23 - Apr 3 with 505 views | TownieRob |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:41 - Apr 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Farage is a massive racist though, which is a bit different to the other people you mention. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:42]
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I don’t really want to get dragged into a political debate but there are questionable policies across all parties, that’s just reality. So to let any of them get your so worked up seems strange to me. They all lie..
If your view is that Farage is the worst of the lot, that’s your opinion and fair enough.
At the end of the day, it just proves the point people see things differently. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:27 - Apr 3 with 498 views | TheMoralMajority |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
I have upvoted this as, whilst I disagree with most of what you've said, you have actually, for the first time, expressed an opinion here. So, kudos to you. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:41 - Apr 3 with 461 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:23 - Apr 3 by TownieRob |
I don’t really want to get dragged into a political debate but there are questionable policies across all parties, that’s just reality. So to let any of them get your so worked up seems strange to me. They all lie..
If your view is that Farage is the worst of the lot, that’s your opinion and fair enough.
At the end of the day, it just proves the point people see things differently. |
The idea that all politicians are the same is a myth. You only have to scratch the surface a little bit to see that.
But it's not even much of a political thing for me, I just don't like racist grifters who create division for their own ends. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 14:29 - Apr 3 with 403 views | bsw72 |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:14 - Apr 3 by Pinewoodblue |
If you are bored of it why keep commenting? |
Being bored of something doesn’t mean you don’t have an opinion. They’re not mutually exclusive positions to have. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 14:42 - Apr 3 with 384 views | Olcol |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
DOH!
It's farage and his entourage that are lawless. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 15:17 - Apr 3 with 356 views | StokieBlue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
You wouldn't mind Farage because the country is lawless?
The same Farage who breaks or pushes laws to their fullest a lot of the time?
From today, this Farage?
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Unbelievable.
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 18:57 - Apr 3 with 269 views | TownieRob |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 12:41 - Apr 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The idea that all politicians are the same is a myth. You only have to scratch the surface a little bit to see that.
But it's not even much of a political thing for me, I just don't like racist grifters who create division for their own ends. |
Sorry first off, didn’t mean to downvote you, clicked it by accident.
To say they’re not all the same is your opinion (which I respect) however mine is that they all find a side, group or class to appeal to, and then do whatever they can to keep or win that vote, often with little regard for everyone else. We’ve seen it countless times before and, like it or not, it feels like we’re seeing it again.
As I said previously, I’m not really interested in turning this into a debate about whose political views are right or wrong. The football and politics lines have clearly been blurred, but people still have a choice about what matters more, their politics or their football club. Unfortunately, to me it seems some seem to care more about the political alignment than the football itself, and that’s up to them, but it’s not where I’m at, especially how important the next few weeks are to the club. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 19:49 - Apr 3 with 237 views | armchaircritic59 |
My best guess is, a good win or two and divisions will start to heal quickly. It is after all a football club, not a political club, whatever any views any individual holds on that topic. |  | | |
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